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How tariffs work. Explained quite well. Lot of information on the 2018 tarifffs and how Wall Street responded.

Now we’ll look at what tariffs did and didn’t do last time. One, they didn’t trigger inflation, which stayed below the Fed’s target. Two, they more than doubled tax receipts from customs duties. And three, they hit stocks, and the S&P 500 tanked 20% in 2018.

Some basics about tariffs.


I posted this list before. But it’s important, so here it is again:
  1. Tariffs have two roles: raising taxes (which the US desperately needs); and changing the economic math for domestic production.
  2. US ā€œtrading partnersā€ have used tariffs extensively to raise taxes and to protect and support their own industries at the expense of US production and exports. The US has used tariffs, they all have used tariffs to raise taxes essentially since the beginning.
  3. Tariffs are applied to the cost for the importer. If a big US retailer buys T-shirts by container loads from a factory in Bangladesh that it intends to retail in the US for $9.99 each, and if the tariff on this product is 25%, the importer (the retailer) is going to have to pay 25% in taxes on the cost from the factory. If the factory charges $1 per T-shirt, the tariff amounts to 25 cents.
  4. Tariffs are a direct tax on the profit margins of foreign producers and US importers. Whether or not they can charge more for their products without gutting their sales to pass on the tariffs is decided by the market. And if they can pass on a portion or all of the tariffs, it would be a one-time bump.
  5. Companies are already charging the maximum amount they can and still obtain their sales goals. If they raise prices to pass on the tariffs, sales may fall. Whether or not the retailer can raise the price of the T-shirt to $10.24 without pulling the rug out from under the desired sales volume is decided by the market, not by the retailer, and the retailer may find that it has to eat the tariffs.
  6. US importers may negotiate the purchase price to where the foreign factory eats part of the tariff, in which case foreign producers pay the taxes to the US government.
  7. Domestic production reduces transportation expenses, loss of Intellectual Property (a huge issue in China), supply-chain uncertainty and lead times (catastrophic issues during the pandemic), and other costs and risks. Tariffs tilt the balance further in favor of domestic production.
  8. Foreign manufacturers can avoid tariffs by producing in the US. All major foreign automakers that sell in the US already manufacture vehicles in the US. In terms of ā€œUS content,ā€ Honda models are right behind Tesla on top of that list. Tariffs will further encourage US production, including of components and assemblies.
  9. Many producers have cut prices in the US over the past two years, either directly or through incentives to reach their sales goals, including automakers (here) and homebuilders (here). In this environment, they will eat 100% of any tariffs because they cannot pass on any additional costs.
  10. Industrial robots cost about the same anywhere. Products can be and are manufactured in the US price-competitively when advanced automation reduces the labor-cost component. Tariffs add some pluses to that math.
 
How tariffs work. Explained quite well. Lot of information on the 2018 tarifffs and how Wall Street responded.

Now we’ll look at what tariffs did and didn’t do last time. One, they didn’t trigger inflation, which stayed below the Fed’s target. Two, they more than doubled tax receipts from customs duties. And three, they hit stocks, and the S&P 500 tanked 20% in 2018.

Some basics about tariffs.


I posted this list before. But it’s important, so here it is again:
  1. Tariffs have two roles: raising taxes (which the US desperately needs); and changing the economic math for domestic production.
  2. US ā€œtrading partnersā€ have used tariffs extensively to raise taxes and to protect and support their own industries at the expense of US production and exports. The US has used tariffs, they all have used tariffs to raise taxes essentially since the beginning.
  3. Tariffs are applied to the cost for the importer. If a big US retailer buys T-shirts by container loads from a factory in Bangladesh that it intends to retail in the US for $9.99 each, and if the tariff on this product is 25%, the importer (the retailer) is going to have to pay 25% in taxes on the cost from the factory. If the factory charges $1 per T-shirt, the tariff amounts to 25 cents.
  4. Tariffs are a direct tax on the profit margins of foreign producers and US importers. Whether or not they can charge more for their products without gutting their sales to pass on the tariffs is decided by the market. And if they can pass on a portion or all of the tariffs, it would be a one-time bump.
  5. Companies are already charging the maximum amount they can and still obtain their sales goals. If they raise prices to pass on the tariffs, sales may fall. Whether or not the retailer can raise the price of the T-shirt to $10.24 without pulling the rug out from under the desired sales volume is decided by the market, not by the retailer, and the retailer may find that it has to eat the tariffs.
  6. US importers may negotiate the purchase price to where the foreign factory eats part of the tariff, in which case foreign producers pay the taxes to the US government.
  7. Domestic production reduces transportation expenses, loss of Intellectual Property (a huge issue in China), supply-chain uncertainty and lead times (catastrophic issues during the pandemic), and other costs and risks. Tariffs tilt the balance further in favor of domestic production.
  8. Foreign manufacturers can avoid tariffs by producing in the US. All major foreign automakers that sell in the US already manufacture vehicles in the US. In terms of ā€œUS content,ā€ Honda models are right behind Tesla on top of that list. Tariffs will further encourage US production, including of components and assemblies.
  9. Many producers have cut prices in the US over the past two years, either directly or through incentives to reach their sales goals, including automakers (here) and homebuilders (here). In this environment, they will eat 100% of any tariffs because they cannot pass on any additional costs.
  10. Industrial robots cost about the same anywhere. Products can be and are manufactured in the US price-competitively when advanced automation reduces the labor-cost component. Tariffs add some pluses to that math.

BINGO
 
This is an opportunity for America friendly companies to gain market share in America.
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Ai says:
Tariffs do bring money into the U.S. government’s coffers, but the way they work can get a bit tangled. A tariff is a tax slapped on goods coming into the country, and it’s true that the importer—like Toyota or John Deere—pays it directly. They fork over the cash to U.S. Customs when their goods hit the border. But that’s not the end of the story.
The government absolutely collects that money. In 2023, for example, U.S. Customs Service raked in about $80 billion from tariffs, according to Treasury data. That’s real revenue, part of the federal budget, though it’s a small slice—less than 2%—compared to big hitters like income or payroll taxes. So, the idea that the government ā€œdoesn’t get anythingā€ doesn’t hold up; the cash flows straight to the U.S. Treasury.
Now, who really pays can shift. Importers might eat the cost, pass it on to consumers through higher prices, or negotiate harder with foreign suppliers to lower their costs. Studies—like one from the National Bureau of Economic Research on Trump-era tariffs—show that in many cases, U.S. consumers end up footing most of the bill, especially for stuff like electronics or cars. For example, tariffs on Chinese goods added about $40 billion annually to consumer costs, per estimates from 2018-2019 data. But that’s downstream—the government still gets its cut upfront from the importer.
 
How tariffs work. Explained quite well. Lot of information on the 2018 tarifffs and how Wall Street responded.

Now we’ll look at what tariffs did and didn’t do last time. One, they didn’t trigger inflation, which stayed below the Fed’s target. Two, they more than doubled tax receipts from customs duties. And three, they hit stocks, and the S&P 500 tanked 20% in 2018.

Some basics about tariffs.


I posted this list before. But it’s important, so here it is again:
  1. Tariffs have two roles: raising taxes (which the US desperately needs); and changing the economic math for domestic production.
  2. US ā€œtrading partnersā€ have used tariffs extensively to raise taxes and to protect and support their own industries at the expense of US production and exports. The US has used tariffs, they all have used tariffs to raise taxes essentially since the beginning.
  3. Tariffs are applied to the cost for the importer. If a big US retailer buys T-shirts by container loads from a factory in Bangladesh that it intends to retail in the US for $9.99 each, and if the tariff on this product is 25%, the importer (the retailer) is going to have to pay 25% in taxes on the cost from the factory. If the factory charges $1 per T-shirt, the tariff amounts to 25 cents.
  4. Tariffs are a direct tax on the profit margins of foreign producers and US importers. Whether or not they can charge more for their products without gutting their sales to pass on the tariffs is decided by the market. And if they can pass on a portion or all of the tariffs, it would be a one-time bump.
  5. Companies are already charging the maximum amount they can and still obtain their sales goals. If they raise prices to pass on the tariffs, sales may fall. Whether or not the retailer can raise the price of the T-shirt to $10.24 without pulling the rug out from under the desired sales volume is decided by the market, not by the retailer, and the retailer may find that it has to eat the tariffs.
  6. US importers may negotiate the purchase price to where the foreign factory eats part of the tariff, in which case foreign producers pay the taxes to the US government.
  7. Domestic production reduces transportation expenses, loss of Intellectual Property (a huge issue in China), supply-chain uncertainty and lead times (catastrophic issues during the pandemic), and other costs and risks. Tariffs tilt the balance further in favor of domestic production.
  8. Foreign manufacturers can avoid tariffs by producing in the US. All major foreign automakers that sell in the US already manufacture vehicles in the US. In terms of ā€œUS content,ā€ Honda models are right behind Tesla on top of that list. Tariffs will further encourage US production, including of components and assemblies.
  9. Many producers have cut prices in the US over the past two years, either directly or through incentives to reach their sales goals, including automakers (here) and homebuilders (here). In this environment, they will eat 100% of any tariffs because they cannot pass on any additional costs.
  10. Industrial robots cost about the same anywhere. Products can be and are manufactured in the US price-competitively when advanced automation reduces the labor-cost component. Tariffs add some pluses to that math.

I prefer to mindlessly and irrationally panic.

I've obeyed the mainstream media ever since Iraq's very real WMD's and after COVID killed the entire world.
 
How tariffs work. Explained quite well. Lot of information on the 2018 tarifffs and how Wall Street responded.

Now we’ll look at what tariffs did and didn’t do last time. One, they didn’t trigger inflation, which stayed below the Fed’s target. Two, they more than doubled tax receipts from customs duties. And three, they hit stocks, and the S&P 500 tanked 20% in 2018.

Some basics about tariffs.


I posted this list before. But it’s important, so here it is again:
  1. Tariffs have two roles: raising taxes (which the US desperately needs); and changing the economic math for domestic production.
  2. US ā€œtrading partnersā€ have used tariffs extensively to raise taxes and to protect and support their own industries at the expense of US production and exports. The US has used tariffs, they all have used tariffs to raise taxes essentially since the beginning.
  3. Tariffs are applied to the cost for the importer. If a big US retailer buys T-shirts by container loads from a factory in Bangladesh that it intends to retail in the US for $9.99 each, and if the tariff on this product is 25%, the importer (the retailer) is going to have to pay 25% in taxes on the cost from the factory. If the factory charges $1 per T-shirt, the tariff amounts to 25 cents.
  4. Tariffs are a direct tax on the profit margins of foreign producers and US importers. Whether or not they can charge more for their products without gutting their sales to pass on the tariffs is decided by the market. And if they can pass on a portion or all of the tariffs, it would be a one-time bump.
  5. Companies are already charging the maximum amount they can and still obtain their sales goals. If they raise prices to pass on the tariffs, sales may fall. Whether or not the retailer can raise the price of the T-shirt to $10.24 without pulling the rug out from under the desired sales volume is decided by the market, not by the retailer, and the retailer may find that it has to eat the tariffs.
  6. US importers may negotiate the purchase price to where the foreign factory eats part of the tariff, in which case foreign producers pay the taxes to the US government.
  7. Domestic production reduces transportation expenses, loss of Intellectual Property (a huge issue in China), supply-chain uncertainty and lead times (catastrophic issues during the pandemic), and other costs and risks. Tariffs tilt the balance further in favor of domestic production.
  8. Foreign manufacturers can avoid tariffs by producing in the US. All major foreign automakers that sell in the US already manufacture vehicles in the US. In terms of ā€œUS content,ā€ Honda models are right behind Tesla on top of that list. Tariffs will further encourage US production, including of components and assemblies.
  9. Many producers have cut prices in the US over the past two years, either directly or through incentives to reach their sales goals, including automakers (here) and homebuilders (here). In this environment, they will eat 100% of any tariffs because they cannot pass on any additional costs.
  10. Industrial robots cost about the same anywhere. Products can be and are manufactured in the US price-competitively when advanced automation reduces the labor-cost component. Tariffs add some pluses to that math.
4 is nonsense.

So is 6. The foreign mfg will just sell to Brazil or Britain.
 
Hmmmmmmmm.............

Trump announces tariffs on uninhabited islands​

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Axios
https://www.axios.com › Axios › Business
21 hours ago — Trump announces tariffs on uninhabited islands Ā· The Heard Island and McDonald Islands were included because they are Australian territory, ...

But NO TARIFFS on Russia or N.Korea?
 
That hardly going to inspire anyone to drill. Where is next year’s oil coming from?

US oil executives see disaster in Trump's agenda​

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Fortune
https://fortune.com › 2025/03/29 › us-oil-executives-dall...
6 days ago — ā€œThe threat of $50 oil prices by the administration has caused our firm to reduce its 2025 and 2026 capital expenditures. 'Drill, baby, drill'

ā€œThe administration’s chaos is a disaster for the commodity markets. ā€˜Drill, baby, drill’ is nothing short of a myth and populist rallying cry. Tariff policy is impossible for us to predict and doesn’t have a clear goal. We want more stability,ā€
 
How tariffs work. Explained quite well. Lot of information on the 2018 tarifffs and how Wall Street responded.

Now we’ll look at what tariffs did and didn’t do last time. One, they didn’t trigger inflation, which stayed below the Fed’s target. Two, they more than doubled tax receipts from customs duties. And three, they hit stocks, and the S&P 500 tanked 20% in 2018.

Some basics about tariffs.


I posted this list before. But it’s important, so here it is again:
  1. Tariffs have two roles: raising taxes (which the US desperately needs); and changing the economic math for domestic production.
  2. US ā€œtrading partnersā€ have used tariffs extensively to raise taxes and to protect and support their own industries at the expense of US production and exports. The US has used tariffs, they all have used tariffs to raise taxes essentially since the beginning.
  3. Tariffs are applied to the cost for the importer. If a big US retailer buys T-shirts by container loads from a factory in Bangladesh that it intends to retail in the US for $9.99 each, and if the tariff on this product is 25%, the importer (the retailer) is going to have to pay 25% in taxes on the cost from the factory. If the factory charges $1 per T-shirt, the tariff amounts to 25 cents.
  4. Tariffs are a direct tax on the profit margins of foreign producers and US importers. Whether or not they can charge more for their products without gutting their sales to pass on the tariffs is decided by the market. And if they can pass on a portion or all of the tariffs, it would be a one-time bump.
  5. Companies are already charging the maximum amount they can and still obtain their sales goals. If they raise prices to pass on the tariffs, sales may fall. Whether or not the retailer can raise the price of the T-shirt to $10.24 without pulling the rug out from under the desired sales volume is decided by the market, not by the retailer, and the retailer may find that it has to eat the tariffs.
  6. US importers may negotiate the purchase price to where the foreign factory eats part of the tariff, in which case foreign producers pay the taxes to the US government.
  7. Domestic production reduces transportation expenses, loss of Intellectual Property (a huge issue in China), supply-chain uncertainty and lead times (catastrophic issues during the pandemic), and other costs and risks. Tariffs tilt the balance further in favor of domestic production.
  8. Foreign manufacturers can avoid tariffs by producing in the US. All major foreign automakers that sell in the US already manufacture vehicles in the US. In terms of ā€œUS content,ā€ Honda models are right behind Tesla on top of that list. Tariffs will further encourage US production, including of components and assemblies.
  9. Many producers have cut prices in the US over the past two years, either directly or through incentives to reach their sales goals, including automakers (here) and homebuilders (here). In this environment, they will eat 100% of any tariffs because they cannot pass on any additional costs.
  10. Industrial robots cost about the same anywhere. Products can be and are manufactured in the US price-competitively when advanced automation reduces the labor-cost component. Tariffs add some pluses to that math.
I like #10 the best, "oh the jobs are coming back" MAGA MAGA. Unfortunately, robots will be doing the job.
 

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