Tanks, but no tanks. A T-34 is the sole tank seen at putin's military parade. Moscow imperial army is badly fucked

[Litwin]

guys , do we have the number, how many tanks do they have ?

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[para bellum]

So then...

No MBT section
No IFV section
No SHORAD section
No VDV section
No VKS flyover

The official count:

1x T-34 tank
3x BTR-82 IFV
13x Tigr-M armored car
6x VPK Ural armored car
10x Akhmat MRAP (borrowed from Kadryov)
3x VPK-7829 Bumerang IFV
missiles:
6x Iskander-M TEL
6x S-400 TEL
3x RS-24 Yars TEL

Total # vehicles this year and compared to previous years-
2023: 51
2022: 131
2020 and 2021: ~200

 

[Litwin]

So then...

No MBT section
No IFV section
No SHORAD section
No VDV section
No VKS flyover

The official count:

1x T-34 tank
3x BTR-82 IFV
13x Tigr-M armored car
6x VPK Ural armored car
10x Akhmat MRAP (borrowed from Kadryov)
3x VPK-7829 Bumerang IFV
missiles:
6x Iskander-M TEL
6x S-400 TEL
3x RS-24 Yars TEL

Total # vehicles this year and compared to previous years-
2023: 51
2022: 131
2020 and 2021: ~200

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I'll be curious to see which nations start buying up our Ukrainian F-16's on the black market

 

[Litwin]

Ukrainian F-16'

 

[beagle9]

So then...

No MBT section
No IFV section
No SHORAD section
No VDV section
No VKS flyover

The official count:

1x T-34 tank
3x BTR-82 IFV
13x Tigr-M armored car
6x VPK Ural armored car
10x Akhmat MRAP (borrowed from Kadryov)
3x VPK-7829 Bumerang IFV
missiles:
6x Iskander-M TEL
6x S-400 TEL
3x RS-24 Yars TEL

Total # vehicles this year and compared to previous years-
2023: 51
2022: 131
2020 and 2021: ~200

You don't think that a full on war wouldn't alter the event in which Moscow knows full well that Ukraine has the capability of lobbing various types of ordinances into the square if it wanted too ???

No one is that stupid.

During a full on war, no nation would be dumb enough to showcase it's equipment like it would during peace time, otherwise exposing it to hostile action's by an enemy force laying just outside it's borders in which it is fighting with..

 

[beagle9]

I'll be curious to see which nations start buying up our Ukrainian F-16's on the black market

They won't buy it on the black market intact, but they'll sure reverse engineer it if they get their hand's on it's critical parts or designs..

 

[CrusaderFrank]

They won't buy it on the black market intact, but they'll sure reverse engineer it if they get their hand's on it's critical parts or designs..

Sounds about right

 

[para bellum]

During a full on war, no nation would be dumb enough to showcase it's equipment like it would during peace time, otherwise exposing it to hostile action's by an enemy force laying just outside it's borders in which it is fighting with..

Well it didn't stop them last year.

And they still had their parade this year- it just didn't have much in the way of equipment. The only branch of the military that wasn't represented was the VDV (because they are also fully committed in Ukraine maybe?)

They still had soldiers marching in formation. Putin and Shoigu were in attendance along with the presidents of Armenia, Belarus, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Kyrgyzstan.

Sorry, I do not find your argument compelling. If the chance of a Ukr attack was so great that they had to leave out the tanks and IFV's, they wouldn't have put Heads of States at risk...

 

[Silver Cat]

They will make their parades in Kiev, Warsaw, Berlin and London.

 

[beagle9]

Well it didn't stop them last year.

And they still had their parade this year- it just didn't have much in the way of equipment. The only branch of the military that wasn't represented was the VDV (because they are also fully committed in Ukraine maybe?)

They still had soldiers marching in formation. Putin and Shoigu were in attendance along with the presidents of Armenia, Belarus, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Kyrgyzstan.

Sorry, I do not find your argument compelling. If the chance of a Ukr attack was so great that they had to leave out the tanks and IFV's, they wouldn't have put Heads of States at risk...

Yes, these are questions worthy of debate for sure, but attempting to guess at why militaries do what they do without definite Intel on such matters is just that really "a guessing game".

 

[beagle9]

They will make their parades in Kiev, Warsaw, Berlin and London.

Who will ?

 

[para bellum]

Yes, these are questions worthy of debate for sure, but attempting to guess at why militaries do what they do without definite Intel on such matters is just that really "a guessing game".

Isn't that what you were doing in post #6? No military would display their weapons in time of war because it would expose them to hostile action?

I just pointed out that argument makes no sense in light of who was attending.

Russia does not have brigade sets of MTB's and IFV's that can be used in parades- they are all in Ukraine, and UVZ is busy refurbishing T-55's and T-62's because they've lost 2/3 of their modernized tanks in Ukraine already...

 

[Silver Cat]

Who will ?

The Russians, of course.

 

[beagle9]

The Russians, of course.

Kiev probably, otherwise if it goes bad completely for Ukraine, but Warsaw, Berlin, and London ?? What makes you think this ?

 

[Silver Cat]

Kiev probably, otherwise if it goes bad completely for Ukraine, but Warsaw, Berlin, and London ?? What makes you think this ?

I think, both Russia and EU won't stop hostilities after the fall of Kiev (or Lvov), and the crisis of European security will continue until decisive defeat of one or both sides. The USA isn't ready to use nuclear weapons (and Russia is ready) to defend their allies and, therefore, Russia will prevail.

 

[beagle9]

I think, both Russia and EU won't stop hostilities after the fall of Kiev (or Lvov), and the crisis of European security will continue until decisive defeat of one or both sides. The USA isn't ready to use nuclear weapons (and Russia is ready) to defend their allies and, therefore, Russia will prevail.

My thoughts are that it ends after the defeat of Ukraine by Russia, and Russia won't seek to go beyond the borders of Ukraine that would inturn spark a confrontation with NATO.

Russia isn't that stupid, but it will probably begin to do everything in it's secret intelligence power to undermine every nation that was helping Ukraine against Russia (cyber warfare etc.), but no Russia won't directly confront the west or NATO in a slug out.

 

[Silver Cat]

My thoughts are that it ends after the defeat of Ukraine by Russia, and Russia won't seek to go beyond the borders of Ukraine that would inturn spark a confrontation with NATO.

Russia isn't that stupid, but it will probably begin to do everything in it's secret intelligence power to undermine every nation that was helping Ukraine against Russia (cyber warfare etc.), but no Russia won't directly confront the west or NATO in a slug out.

It depends on possible NATO moves after Ukrainian defeat. Actually, in some scenarios the Russians may prefer to attack Poland and/or Baltic states.

 

[Alexandre Fedorovski]

guys , do we have the number, how many tanks do they have ?

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Russia has more tanks than any other military power, their number can only be compared with the total tank fleet of NATO.

Comparative data on how many tanks and what model can be in the arsenal of the Russian Armed Forces was given by military expert Vladislav Shurygin in his Telegram channel, referring to the American portal We Are The Mighty and Global Firepower.

According to various sources, Russia has between 16,000 and 22,000 tanks in its army and in storage. Shurygin considers these data to be somewhat overestimated.

According to him, by 2021, according to open sources, the Russian army had 3,330 tanks. Of these, 2840 belonged to the Ground Forces, and the rest were located at the coastal troops of the Navy.

The total number of new and modernized combat vehicles produced after 2000 in combat units reached about 1200 units, that is, 45 percent of the total.

In 2019, the American portal We Are The Mighty, citing Global Firepower data, compared the number of tanks in the armed forces of NATO and Russia.

According to them, the NATO armies have 11,000 tanks, while Russia has about 22,000 vehicles, including those that are in storage. According to other sources, the Russian tank fleet has about 16,000 combat vehicles.

At the same time, as Shurygin noted, in 2018, the Russian army had 12,000 tanks in storage, including outdated T-54 and T-55 models.

The expert explained that due to the long storage of these tanks in open areas without reliable care, part of the arsenal of combat vehicles turned into mountains of rusty metal.

However, there is a way out: they can be restored by sending them to the factory, where during the overhaul the tank will be completely dismantled, all its systems and components will be troubleshot, after which the combat unit will enter the Russian troops almost like a new modernized vehicle with modern means of active protection, communications and fire control.

 

[Litwin]

Russian

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