Studies show Republicans privatizing of public schools a costly failure

[rdean]

A few details stand out. First of all, notice that most of the charter middle schools are below the improvement trend line, suggesting that charters are not adding as much value as the average traditional public school (a second chart shows charters doing about average with math). Second, notice that the 4th grade scores of incoming charter school fifth grade students are all clustered near or above zero, indicating that charters are attracting average or better students, not the high-needs students charter backers claim they want to serve.

NYC Teacher Evaluation Data Show Charter Schools Perform No Better Than Public

I was struck by how schools with the highest statewide rankings often have unusually low similar-school rankings and that charter schools do no better than other public schools.

RIEHL: Charter schools do no better than public ones : North County Times

Another Republican policy that promised so, much costs so much but, as usual, makes things worse and ends up costing the middle class.

Well, at least they're consistent.

I was watching a reporter on Morning Joe talk about the data being correlated showing the difference between Charter Schools and Public Schools. One of the surprising finds was the Charter Schools attract the best students but end up, in many times, doing worse than public schools.

Then there is the cost. All the Republican upgrades have been money magnets with little to show. Standardized testing threw a half billion dollars cost with no real result.

Now this is the funny part. Joe, a Republican, said that there should be standardized testing for "math and science" because they can't be political. Everyone laughed, some guffawed. For a moment, he looked blank and stunned, then, with a rueful grin, said, "Well, math anyway. You can't politicize an equation".

Even other Republicans know what their party has done to science and education in this country. And it isn't "good".

Two things Republicans should stay away from: Education and Politics. They are worse than failures at both. They are catastrophic.

 

[uscitizen]

Privatizonation of Medicare and the prison systmes have also been failures so far.
In that they cost taxpayers more than the traditional way of doing things.

 

[blimpo]

Mitch Daniels privatized welfare in Indiana.

They screwed that up big-time.

I believe the lawsuits are still coming....

 

[GHook93]

Yea because the Chicago Public Schools are a beacon of success. Ask yourself this Dean, which would you rather have your kid goto, a Charter school or a public school? Since you are dishonest you will say the public school!

 

[Stephanie]

Well ok then, you wonder why the Obama's send their kids to private schools? or any politicians for that matter.

but hey, whatever you do, don't give the citizens of this a country a CHOICE...just blame the Republicans in Rdeans twilight zone world

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Well ok then, you wonder why the Obama's send their kids to private schools? or any politicians for that matter.

but hey, whatever you do, don't give the citizens of this a country a CHOICE...just blame the Republicans in Rdeans twilight zone world

Because they want their kids to grow up to be Republicans?

 

[Stephanie]

Well ok then, you wonder why the Obama's send their kids to private schools? or any politicians for that matter.

but hey, whatever you do, don't give the citizens of this a country a CHOICE...just blame the Republicans in Rdeans twilight zone world

Because they want their kids to grow up to be Republicans?

LOL, that would be sweet revenge against a few Democrat politician parents..

 

[blimpo]

Well ok then, you wonder why the Obama's send their kids to private schools? or any politicians for that matter.

but hey, whatever you do, don't give the citizens of this a country a CHOICE...just blame the Republicans in Rdeans twilight zone world

Most send their kids elsewhere to get them away from all the hoods the teachers have to deal with...

 

[dblack]

The most important thing is that government has solid control over how our children are educated, how they think, the values the develop. Otherwise, parents will raise their kids however they want! Think of it!!!

 

[kwc57]

Public school? Don't you mean government school?

 

[dblack]

Public school? Don't you mean government school?

To a lot of people 'public' and 'government' are synonymous. What's the point in having a society if we're aren't bullying each other around with laws and guns?

 

[whitehall]

Get used to it folks. All we are going to see from now to November are posts that start with "studies show that republicans..." . It sure beats trying to defend. the current administration.

 

[eflatminor]

So, I looked at the link. The bias is overwhelming. Your little chart was put together by "Teach For America", who describes themselves as "...the national corps of recent college graduates who commit to teach for two years in urban and rural public schools".

A group dedicated to public schools...just how open minded would they be to anything less than full on government run education?

How about comparing actual PRIVATE schools with the various forms of government run schools (traditional and semi-outsourced)? Yea, wouldn't look so good for the central planners would it?

 

[rdean]

Well ok then, you wonder why the Obama's send their kids to private schools? or any politicians for that matter.

but hey, whatever you do, don't give the citizens of this a country a CHOICE...just blame the Republicans in Rdeans twilight zone world

Safety.

 

[rdean]

So, I looked at the link. The bias is overwhelming. Your little chart was put together by "Teach For America", who describes themselves as "...the national corps of recent college graduates who commit to teach for two years in urban and rural public schools".

A group dedicated to public schools...just how open minded would they be to anything less than full on government run education?

How about comparing actual PRIVATE schools with the various forms of government run schools (traditional and semi-outsourced)? Yea, wouldn't look so good for the central planners would it?

OK, give us an "unbiased" link to "real" data. I'm interested in knowing.

 

[Jroc]

FCAT tests the performance of region's charter schools vs. public schools
By HEATHER CARNEY
Naples Daily News
Posted April 22, 2012 at 6 p.m.

Lexey Swall/Staff Third grade students work to solve a math problem as their teacher, Melissa Moore, helps the class prepare for the Florida Comprehensive Assessment Test (FCAT) at Bonita Springs Charter School on Friday. A report done by the Florida Department of Education shows that students in charter schools tend to score better on the FCAT than students in traditional public schools. Bonita Springs Charter School, an A+ school, is one of the best examples of the study.

There's close competition between local charter and traditional public schools to see which students can perform best on the Florida Comprehensive Assessment Test as testing wraps up this week.

But statewide, charter school students are pulling ahead, according to an April report by the Florida Department of Education. The report, using 2010-11 FCAT data, determined that students who attend charter schools tend to outscore their traditional public school peers in almost every subject.

Local charter schools don't all mirror that trend. Charter schools like Marco Island Middle and Bonita Springs Charter are consistently high-performing, whereas others like Immokalee Community School lag behind the state average.

FCAT tests the performance of region's charter schools vs. public schools » Naples Daily News

 

[Jroc]

In some states Charter school students perform better some not. Charter schools are not really being pushed by Republicans much, school choice and vouchers are. Competition will make schools better the schools that dont perform should fail and close

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Deany the graph was teacher ratings and it does not show a "costly failure" you government school uneducated fuck

 

[starcraftzzz]

^A Standard study on charter schools found 37% of charter schools saw less educational gain then public schools compared to 17% that did better., meaning if you were to extrapolate the data turning all charter schools to public schools would increase educational quality by 20%.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/31/education/31kipp.html?_r=1&ref=us
^KIPP private charter schools receive more taxpayer dollars per student then public schools do. They get around 8% more. When you include private funding the reason that KIPP charter schools do so well is because they have 50% more funds then public schools do, and because of those extra funds they are able to extend class times mon-fri and have class on Saturday.

About Those Milwaukee Vouchers | ThinkProgress
^Milwaukee students who take vouchers and go to private schools score anywhere from 10-30% lower on standardized tests.

Public Schools Outperform Private Schools in Math Instruction
^ILL researchers have found that public school students outscore private score students in math because public schools have more certified teachers, and curriculum that de-emphasized learning by rote methods.

Vouchers don’t change a thing in Washington DC
Vouchers Get a Failing Grade
Evaluation of the DC Opportunity Scholarship Program: Impacts After One Year - Introduction

The Milwaukee Voucher Failure | ThinkProgress
^Vouchers fail in Milwaukee

Vouchers in Arizona lead to corruption; Vouchers completely fail.
Vouchers lead to tax fraud, and voucher money goes to enriching CEO's
Voucher FAIL in Arizona | ThinkProgress

----------------------vouchers

 

[syrenn]

Well ok then, you wonder why the Obama's send their kids to private schools? or any politicians for that matter.

but hey, whatever you do, don't give the citizens of this a country a CHOICE...just blame the Republicans in Rdeans twilight zone world

Safety.

Do tell..and why wouldn't non political parents want the same safety for their children?