Stop Blaming America First. Europe Lost the War

[excalibur]

Our 'allies' are paper tigers. And circumventing sanctions on Russian products as well.

They hate President Trump because he exposes them for what they are. And then they want us to believe they will go it alone and defend Ukraine. Ha!

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But, whatever the Europeans say about supporting Ukraine to the bitter end, we can see their revealed preferences. They do not consider Russia's destruction of Ukraine an imminent threat to their security. They, like the United States, are increasing the conditions on Ukraine for assistance.​

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Look first to Germany. In a 2022 speech, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz committed to reversing the entire drift of policy in Germany, set under Angela Merkel, to meet the challenge. This historic project was called "Zeitenwende," or "times-turning," and it included ambitious goals of helping Ukraine fight for democracy, reducing dependency on Russian energy while still pursuing climate goals (possibly using nuclear energy again), taking a tougher approach to Russia, using Germany to strengthen the European Union and NATO, and arming Germany to defend itself. Except, all of this was abandoned, such that two years later, policy study groups in Germany declared the project dead.​

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Germany looked into its armory for what it could give Ukraine and found completely unusable Puma tanks, so it promised a small number of Leopard tanks, then it looked for excuses not to send them if the U.S. didn't send Abrams tanks, then it found that the Leopard tanks it wanted to send were also not battle-ready. It's not working to reverse this.​

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Germany does buy more American liquefied natural gas for energy — resentfully, because of the blowup of Nord Stream 2. But Europeans have largely bypassed the frightful sanctions they imposed on Russia in 2022 by relying on Russian proxies as a pass-through.​

​

Europe created no wartime economy to match the Russian production of weapons, particular shells, and drones. Around the time of the Munich Security Conference two weeks ago, the Trump administration began asking European governments what they were willing to commit in terms of peacekeepers to Ukraine. Poland replied: none. What an astonishing answer from one of the only NATO members that takes defense seriously. The United Kingdom has indicated some interest in sending peacekeepers, so long as they are protected by Americans. The rest of the European countries fell into an embarrassed silence, or simply returned to asking for what they always want: verbal and moral input with no material or moral commitment.​

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As the sharp-eyed authors of the EuroIntelligence news source put it, Europeans are trying hard not to notice what has become obvious. In geopolitics, talk goes only so far:​

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We have yet to meet a European with a worked-out strategy to defeat Vladimir Putin. We are red-liners. We argue from first principles. We claim that we will support Ukraine for however long it takes. This idea worked spectacularly well for the ECB in the fight against speculators. But it does not translate to wars.

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Ukraine has lost the war. We have no strategy to change this. Of all the nonsense Trump said and tweeted last week — and most of it was nonsense — he was correct on the essential issue — that the war is not winnable. He told us during his campaign that he wants to cut a deal.

The Europeans are in their unfortunate situation on the cats' table of international diplomacy because they outsourced strategic thinking. The US acts, we react. Trump speaks. We are outraged.​

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Indeed. The entire project of pulling Ukraine away from its domination by Russia was supposed to economically benefit Europe. That was the very meaning of the economic cooperation proposed ahead of the 2014 Maidan revolution. And yet Europe cannot be arsed to provide much beyond paper promises, loans, and the value of seized Russian assets.​

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https://www.nationalreview.com/2025/02/stop-blaming-america-first-europe-lost-the-war/

 

[Kruska]

Our 'allies' are paper tigers. .....

Germany looked into its armory for what it could give Ukraine and found completely unusable Puma tanks, so it promised a small number of Leopard tanks, then it looked for excuses not to send them if the U.S. didn't send Abrams tanks, then it found that the Leopard tanks it wanted to send were also not battle-ready. It's not working to reverse this.​

Total MAGA Bullshit, see listing below

Germany does buy more American liquefied natural gas for energy — resentfully, because of the blowup of Nord Stream 2. But Europeans have largely bypassed the frightful sanctions they imposed on Russia in 2022 by relying on Russian proxies as a pass-through.​

Total MAGA Bullshit - Biden refused to sell LNG - and the greedy Felon want's 55% above market spot-price.

Indeed. The entire project of pulling Ukraine away from its domination by Russia was supposed to economically benefit Europe. That was the very meaning of the economic cooperation proposed ahead of the 2014 Maidan revolution. And yet Europe cannot be arsed to provide much beyond paper promises, loans, and the value of seized Russian assets.​

Total MAGA Bullshit - Bush sen.& jun kicked off the NATO Eastward (East-Germany in 1991) - and rapid expansion in 2008.

Military aid by Germany

• 179 Mine Resistant Ambush Protected Vehicles (MRAP)* (before: 123)
• ammunition for main battle tank LEOPARD 1*
• ammunition for infantry fighting vehicles MARDER*
• 103 main battle tanks LEOPARD 1 A5* with spare parts (joint project with Denmark)
• ammunition for main battle tank LEOPARD 2 (from Bundeswehr and industry stocks*)
• 140 infantry fighting vehicles MARDER with spare parts
• (from Bundeswehr and industry stocks*)
• 78 tracked all-terrain vehicles Bandvagn 206 (BV206)*
• 11 All Terrain Tracked Carrier Warthog (command vehicle)*
• 158 MG3 for LEOPARD 2, MARDER and DACHS
• 5 All Terrain Tracked Carrier Warthog (repair and recovery vehicle)*
• 66 Armoured Personnel Carriers (APC)*
• 18 LEOPARD 2 A 6 main battle tanks with ammunition and spare parts
• (German share in joint project with further LEOPARD 2 operators)
• 50 MRAP vehicles DINGO
• 54 M113 armoured personnel carriers each with 2 MG and spare parts* (systems of Denmark, upgrades financed by Germany)

• 282,000 rounds ammunitions for self-propelled anti-aircraft guns
• GEPARD (from Bundeswehr and industry stocks*)
• IRIS-T SLM missiles*
• IRIS-T SLS missiles
• 6 air defence systems IRIS-T (SLM/SLS)*
• 12 Kinetic Defence Vehicle (Diehl Defence)*
• 4 PATRIOT launchers (from Bundeswehr and industry stocks*)
• 57 self-propelled anti-aircraft guns GEPARD with spare parts
• 16 air surveillance radar TRML-4D*
• AIM-9L/I-1 Sidewinder missiles
• Sea Sparrow missiles
• 3 air defence systems PATRIOT with spare parts
• PATRIOT missiles
• 2 air defence systems SKYNEX with ammunition*
• 4,000 rounds practice ammunitions for self-propelled anti-aircraft guns
• 500 Man Portable Air Defense Systems STINGER
• 2,700 Man Portable Air Defense Systems STRELA

• 6 wheeled self-propelled howitzer Zuzana 2* (project jointly financed with Denmark and Norway) (before: 2)
• 422,000 rounds 155mm ammunition (from Bundeswehr and industry stocks*) (before: 372,000)
• 21,000 rounds 122mm ammunition* (before: 19,000)
• 25 self-propelled howitzers Panzerhaubitze 2000 with spare parts (from Bundeswehr and industry stocks*)
• 7 howitzer tubes M109 155mm*
• 21,000 rounds 155mm smoke/illuminating ammunition
• ammunition for multiple rocket launchers MARS II
• 3 multiple rocket launchers HIMARS
• 155mm precision guided ammunition* (SMArt, VULCANO)
• 5 multiple rocket launchers MARS II with ammunition (German share in joint project with USA and Great Britain)
• 20 rocket launchers 70mm on pick-up trucks with rockets*
• counter battery radar system COBRA*
• 10 laser target designators and portable fire control modules for VULCANO artillery ammunition*

• 900 strike drones HF-1* (before: 600)
• 499 reconnaissance drones VECTOR with spare parts* (before: 448)
• 684 reconnaissance drones RQ-35 HEIDRUN* (before: 439)
• 211 reconnaissance drones SONGBIRD* (before: 182)
• 46 reconnaissance drones HORNET XR* (before: 32)
• 60 reconnaissance drones Golden Eagle*
• 2 reconnaissance drones VT-4 Rochen*
• 70 unmanned surface vessels*
• 200 mobile drone jammers*
• 88 anti-drone sensors and jammers*
• 70 frequency range extensions for anti-drone devices*
• 180 RF 360 fieldkits – drone detection systems*
• 19 drone detection systems*
• 93 drone sensors*
• 18 reconnaissance drones Primoco ONE*
• 1 LUNA NG reconnaissance system*
• 10 anti-drone guns*
• 12 electronic anti-drone devices*

• 59 mine clearing tanks WISENT 1 with spare parts* (before: 57)
• 77 mine ploughs* (before: 61)
• material for explosive ordnance disposal (from Bundeswehr and industry stocks*)
• 25 mobile, remote controlled and protected mine clearing systems*
• 27 bridge-laying tanks BEAVER with spare parts*
• 100 portable mine clearing systems H-PEMBS*
• 90 mine detectors*
• 12 armoured engineer vehicles DACHS with spare parts*
• 6 High Mobility Engineer Excavators
• 22 armoured recovery vehicles Bergepanzer 2 with spare parts*
• 500 tool kits with blasting material*
• 19 heavy and medium bridge systems and 12 trailers
• 5 bridges for bridge-laying tank BEAVER
• 2 armoured recovery vehicles Bergepanzer 3
• 12 mobile and protected mine clearing systems Ahlmann*

• 765 laser range finders* (before: 120)
• 285 border protection vehicles* (before: 277)
• 230 field glasses*
• 15 air assault vehicles Caracal*
• 15 AMPS self-protection systems for helicopters*
• 45 underwater scooter*
• 52 mobile antenna mast systems*
• 82 ground surveillance radars*
• 58,000 combat helmets
• 331SatCom terminals*
• 750 night vision goggles*
• IT equipment*
• 2,000 LED lamps*
• 84 outboard motors
• 400 IR cameras*
• 3 Satcom surveillance systems*
• 1 naval mine clearance system*
• 2,667 Crypto Phones*
• 90,600 safety glasses (from Bundeswehr and industry stocks*)
• 1 PCB printer*
• 1 antenna hub station
• 1,288 binoculars
• 5 mobile reconnaissance systems SurveilSPIRE*
• 10 radio jammers*
• 40 laser target designators*
• 1 radio frequency system
• 3,000 field telephones with 5.000 cable reels and carrying straps
• 1 communications electronic scanner/jammer systems*
• 6 mobile decontamination vehicles HEP 70 including decontamination material
• 10 HMMWV (8x ground radar capability, 2x jamming/anti drone capability)*
• 1 high frequency unit with equipment*

• 262 trucks Zetros*
• 78 tankers Zetros*
• 24 tank transporter tractor M1070 Oshkosh*
• 473 vehicles (trucks, minibuses, all-terrain vehicles) (from
• Bundeswehr and industry stocks*)
• 181 Pick-ups*
• 40 protected vehicles*
• 90 truck tractor trains 8x8 HX81 and 90 semi-trailers*
• 25 trucks MAN TGS*
• 40 load-handling trucks 8x8
• 34 load-handling trucks 15t*
• 6 load-handling trucks 8x6 with 21 roll of containers*
• 14 tracked and remote controlled infantry vehicles THeMIS*

• 467,000 rounds ammunition 40mm* (before: 393,000)
• 450 machine guns MG5* (before: 350)
• 3,410 assault rifles HK 416* (before: 495)
• 4,905 assault rifles MK 556* (before: 4,005)
• 484 precision rifles HLR 338 with 314,000 rounds ammunition* (before: 420)
• 881 rifles CR 308* (before: 661)
• 73 assault rifles AK-47
• more than 60 million rounds of ammunition for fire arms (from Bundeswehr and industry stocks*)
• 88.400 wool blankets (before: 60,600)
• 14,766 sleeping bags (before: 14,000)
• 343,400 tourniquets (before: 306,200)
• 26,000 120mm mortar ammunition*
• 370,000 chest seals*
• 19,480 anti-tank mines (from Bundeswehr and industry stocks*)
• 220 grenade launchers GMG*
• 200 machine guns MG4*
• emergency power generators
• 250 tents
• 1 million trauma bandages*
• 16,000 man-portable anti-tank weapons RGW 90*
• 3,500 pistols SFP9*
• 110 machine gun MG3 with 500 spare barrels and breechblocks
• 655,000 first aid kits*
• 2 field hospitals*
• 93,000 smoke grenades*
• 100,000 m detonating cord and 115.000 detonators
• rescue boats*
• 6.132 camouflage nets (from Bundeswehr and industry stocks*)
• 6,000 ponchos*
• 450 snow chains
• 205,000 single module group rations
• medical material
• 10 All Terrain Tracked Carrier Warthog (ambulance)
• 49 ambulances*
• 30,000 winter clothing sets
• 27,477 backpacks
• 1,202 Infusion kits
• 8 dental sterilizers
• 2 hangar tents*
• 8 lift trucks*
• 295 generators
• 168 mobile heating systems*
• Mi-24 spare parts*
• spare parts for heavy machine gun M2
• 116,000 winter jackets
• 80,000 winter trousers
• 240,000 winter hats
• 320,000 pre-packaged military Meals Ready
• 67 fridges for medical material*
• 3,000 anti-tank weapons Panzerfaust 3 with 900 firing devices
• 50 Bunkerfaust with 15 firing devices
• 100,000 hand grenades
• 5,300 explosive charges
• 350,000 detonators
• 100 auto-injector devices
• 15 palettes military clothing
• 1,200 hospital beds
• 18 palettes medical material, 60 surgical lights
• protective clothing, surgical masks
• 1 field hospital (project jointly financed with Estonia)*
• Diesel and gasoline*
• 10 tons AdBlue*
• 500 medical gauzes*
• MiG-29 spare parts*
• 25 infantry fighting vehicles MARDER*
• 9 AiTO30 FDC (wheeled infantry fighting vehicle RCT-30 with mobile fire direction center)*
• 221 Mine Resistant Ambush Protected Vehicles (MRAP)*
• 22 LEOPARD 1 A5 main battle tanks* (inter alia joint project with Denmark and the Netherlands)
• ammunition for main battle tanks for LEOPARD 2*
• ammunition for infantry fighting vehicles MARDER*

Add on Deliveries under present execution

• 2 PATRIOT launcher*
• 4 Kinetic Defence Vehicle (Diehl Defence)*
• 13 self-propelled anti-aircraft guns GEPARD*
• 2 air defence systems SKYNEX with ammunition*
• IRIS-T SLM/SLS missiles*
• 6 air defence systems IRIS-T (SLM/SLS)*
• GEPARD ammunition*

• 54 wheeled self-propelled howitzers RCH 155*
• 19 self-propelled howitzers Panzerhaubitze 2000*
• more than 120,000 projectiles 122mm*
• more than 200,000 projectiles 155mm*
• 10 wheeled self-propelled howitzer Zuzana 2* (project jointly financed with Denmark and Norway)

• 3,100 strike drones HF-1
• 71 reconnaissance drones VECTOR*
• 332 reconnaissance drones SONGBIRD*
• 40 drone detection systems*
• 11 anti-drone sensors and jammers*

• 6 Sea King Mk41 multi-role helicopters with spare parts

• 9 armoured recovery vehicles Bergepanzer 2*
• material for explosive ordnance disposal*
• 2 mobile and protected mine clearing systems Ahlmann*

• 1,660 combat helmets*
• 23 laser range finders*
• 4 AMPS self-protection systems for helicopters*
• 10,000 safety glasses*
• 10 mobile reconnaissance systems SurveilSPIRE*
• 215 border protection vehicles*
• 11 communications electronic scanner/jammer systems*

• 30 tracked and remote controlled infantry vehicles Gereon RCS*
• 20 Zetros refrigerator trucks*
• 1 load-handling trucks 8x6 with 7 roll of containers*
• 2 tractors and 4 trailers*

• 84,000 rounds ammunition 40mm*
• 95 assault rifles MK 556*
• 39 CR 308
• 1.2 million rounds of ammunition for fire arms*
• 3.420 anti-tank mines PARM*
• 16 precision rifles HLR 338*
• 11,000 man-portable anti-tank weapons*
• 2 dental sterilizers
• continuing deliveries of medical material*

 

[shockedcanadian]

The spending on Russian oil and climate issues (a hypocrisy in itself) instead of European military is unforgiveable.

 

[Kruska]

The spending on Russian oil and climate issues (a hypocrisy in itself) instead of European military is unforgiveable.

The European NATO members incl. Canada spend US$ 430 Billion in 2024
Russia spend US$ 90 Billion in 2024

Since YOU don't know anything - can you just shut up or keep YOUR shit for yourself?

 

[shockedcanadian]

The European NATO members incl. Canada spend US$ 430 Billion in 2024
Russia spend US$ 90 Billion in 2024

Since YOU don't know anything - can you just shut up or keep YOUR shit for yourself?

Have you factored in how much money Europe has given Putin in Russian oil revenue?

How much have they spent and cost their manufacturing base with the "climate change" racket?

You are near sighted it seems.

Also, PPP is important. This is why when China spends "only $300B" on their military, on a par basis and their focus to only address Taiwan and deter the U.S from responding; they actually spend at least as much as the U.S does.

Food for thought.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Our 'allies' are paper tigers. And circumventing sanctions on Russian products as well.

They hate President Trump because he exposes them for what they are. And then they want us to believe they will go it alone and defend Ukraine. Ha!

...​

​

But, whatever the Europeans say about supporting Ukraine to the bitter end, we can see their revealed preferences. They do not consider Russia's destruction of Ukraine an imminent threat to their security. They, like the United States, are increasing the conditions on Ukraine for assistance.​

​

Look first to Germany. In a 2022 speech, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz committed to reversing the entire drift of policy in Germany, set under Angela Merkel, to meet the challenge. This historic project was called "Zeitenwende," or "times-turning," and it included ambitious goals of helping Ukraine fight for democracy, reducing dependency on Russian energy while still pursuing climate goals (possibly using nuclear energy again), taking a tougher approach to Russia, using Germany to strengthen the European Union and NATO, and arming Germany to defend itself. Except, all of this was abandoned, such that two years later, policy study groups in Germany declared the project dead.​

​

Germany looked into its armory for what it could give Ukraine and found completely unusable Puma tanks, so it promised a small number of Leopard tanks, then it looked for excuses not to send them if the U.S. didn't send Abrams tanks, then it found that the Leopard tanks it wanted to send were also not battle-ready. It's not working to reverse this.​

​

Germany does buy more American liquefied natural gas for energy — resentfully, because of the blowup of Nord Stream 2. But Europeans have largely bypassed the frightful sanctions they imposed on Russia in 2022 by relying on Russian proxies as a pass-through.​

​

Europe created no wartime economy to match the Russian production of weapons, particular shells, and drones. Around the time of the Munich Security Conference two weeks ago, the Trump administration began asking European governments what they were willing to commit in terms of peacekeepers to Ukraine. Poland replied: none. What an astonishing answer from one of the only NATO members that takes defense seriously. The United Kingdom has indicated some interest in sending peacekeepers, so long as they are protected by Americans. The rest of the European countries fell into an embarrassed silence, or simply returned to asking for what they always want: verbal and moral input with no material or moral commitment.​

​

As the sharp-eyed authors of the EuroIntelligence news source put it, Europeans are trying hard not to notice what has become obvious. In geopolitics, talk goes only so far:​

​

​

​

​

Indeed. The entire project of pulling Ukraine away from its domination by Russia was supposed to economically benefit Europe. That was the very meaning of the economic cooperation proposed ahead of the 2014 Maidan revolution. And yet Europe cannot be arsed to provide much beyond paper promises, loans, and the value of seized Russian assets.​

​

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https://www.nationalreview.com/2025/02/stop-blaming-america-first-europe-lost-the-war/

Our allies’ contempt for Trump is perfectly appropriate and warranted – Trump is once again coddling dictators and attacking allies.

Trump has sided with Putin, spreads Russian disinformation, propaganda, and lies, and has abandoned Ukraine and the democratic West in favor of his fellow fascists and dictators.

 

[Scoutster]

 

[excalibur]

Our allies’ contempt for Trump is perfectly appropriate and warranted – Trump is once again coddling dictators and attacking allies.

Trump has sided with Putin, spreads Russian disinformation, propaganda, and lies, and has abandoned Ukraine and the democratic West in favor of his fellow fascists and dictators.

You are just a TDS Fueled© person, period.

Some allies! Try reading the entire article referenced in the OP. But you won't, because if you did, you would learn something and that is against your rules.

 

[1srelluc]

Our allies’ contempt for Trump is perfectly appropriate and warranted – Trump is once again coddling dictators and attacking allies.

That's great!

Trump can just say "the EU has this" and walk away.....Done and done.

Let see where the Ukes/EU come up with the money to pay the MIC for their munitions.

 

[excalibur]

This

Around the time of the Munich Security Conference two weeks ago, the Trump administration began asking European governments what they were willing to commit in terms of peacekeepers to Ukraine.

Poland replied: none. What an astonishing answer from one of the only NATO members that takes defense seriously.

The United Kingdom has indicated some interest in sending peacekeepers, so long as they are protected by Americans.

The rest of the European countries fell into an embarrassed silence, or simply returned to asking for what they always want: verbal and moral input with no material or moral commitment.​

 

[Kruska]

Have you factored in how much money Europe has given Putin in Russian oil revenue?

Have you factored in how much money before 2022/23 - Europe & Germany saved due to Russian Gas ?
It was ALWAYS and foremost the USA that criticized and torpedoed the North-Stream project.

Have you ANY idea as to what miserable state the Russian army was in 2022 and how mediocre it is now? obviously not.

How much have they spent and cost their manufacturing base with the "climate change" racket?

Who cares? - since it has no influence onto the FACTUAL US$ 430 Billion spend.

Also, PPP is important. This is why when China spends "only $300B" on their military, on a par basis and their focus to only address Taiwan and deter the U.S from responding; they actually spend at least as much as the U.S does.

First of all - China spends far more then US$300 billion - it's obvious that you have no understanding of China's security forces/diversity. Thus it's FACTUAL budget. Furthermore PPP has NO influence onto QUALITY and technical Know How.

Are you aware that Russian e.g. Su & MiG Pilots are factually attaching private Smart Phones with mobile apps and even hand held US civilian GPS navigators, next to their aircraft avionics?

You ever inspected "personally" Russian "technology" in their e.g. MBT's, Ground based radar? etc. etc.

Food for thought.

For YOU - for SURE.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Have you factored in how much money before 2022/23 - Europe & Germany saved due to Russian Gas ?

Handing money to Putin? Awesome!
I hope they enjoyed their savings.
Maybe they can invest those savings in weapons to fight Putin?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Our 'allies' are paper tigers. And circumventing sanctions on Russian products as well.

They hate President Trump because he exposes them for what they are. And then they want us to believe they will go it alone and defend Ukraine. Ha!

...​

​

But, whatever the Europeans say about supporting Ukraine to the bitter end, we can see their revealed preferences. They do not consider Russia's destruction of Ukraine an imminent threat to their security. They, like the United States, are increasing the conditions on Ukraine for assistance.​

​

Look first to Germany. In a 2022 speech, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz committed to reversing the entire drift of policy in Germany, set under Angela Merkel, to meet the challenge. This historic project was called "Zeitenwende," or "times-turning," and it included ambitious goals of helping Ukraine fight for democracy, reducing dependency on Russian energy while still pursuing climate goals (possibly using nuclear energy again), taking a tougher approach to Russia, using Germany to strengthen the European Union and NATO, and arming Germany to defend itself. Except, all of this was abandoned, such that two years later, policy study groups in Germany declared the project dead.​

​

Germany looked into its armory for what it could give Ukraine and found completely unusable Puma tanks, so it promised a small number of Leopard tanks, then it looked for excuses not to send them if the U.S. didn't send Abrams tanks, then it found that the Leopard tanks it wanted to send were also not battle-ready. It's not working to reverse this.​

​

Germany does buy more American liquefied natural gas for energy — resentfully, because of the blowup of Nord Stream 2. But Europeans have largely bypassed the frightful sanctions they imposed on Russia in 2022 by relying on Russian proxies as a pass-through.​

​

Europe created no wartime economy to match the Russian production of weapons, particular shells, and drones. Around the time of the Munich Security Conference two weeks ago, the Trump administration began asking European governments what they were willing to commit in terms of peacekeepers to Ukraine. Poland replied: none. What an astonishing answer from one of the only NATO members that takes defense seriously. The United Kingdom has indicated some interest in sending peacekeepers, so long as they are protected by Americans. The rest of the European countries fell into an embarrassed silence, or simply returned to asking for what they always want: verbal and moral input with no material or moral commitment.​

​

As the sharp-eyed authors of the EuroIntelligence news source put it, Europeans are trying hard not to notice what has become obvious. In geopolitics, talk goes only so far:​

​

​

​

​

Indeed. The entire project of pulling Ukraine away from its domination by Russia was supposed to economically benefit Europe. That was the very meaning of the economic cooperation proposed ahead of the 2014 Maidan revolution. And yet Europe cannot be arsed to provide much beyond paper promises, loans, and the value of seized Russian assets.​

​

...​

https://www.nationalreview.com/2025/02/stop-blaming-america-first-europe-lost-the-war/

What a foolish spiel.

 

[jackflash]

Our 'allies' are paper tigers. And circumventing sanctions on Russian products as well.

They hate President Trump because he exposes them for what they are. And then they want us to believe they will go it alone and defend Ukraine. Ha!

...​

​

But, whatever the Europeans say about supporting Ukraine to the bitter end, we can see their revealed preferences. They do not consider Russia's destruction of Ukraine an imminent threat to their security. They, like the United States, are increasing the conditions on Ukraine for assistance.​

​

Look first to Germany. In a 2022 speech, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz committed to reversing the entire drift of policy in Germany, set under Angela Merkel, to meet the challenge. This historic project was called "Zeitenwende," or "times-turning," and it included ambitious goals of helping Ukraine fight for democracy, reducing dependency on Russian energy while still pursuing climate goals (possibly using nuclear energy again), taking a tougher approach to Russia, using Germany to strengthen the European Union and NATO, and arming Germany to defend itself. Except, all of this was abandoned, such that two years later, policy study groups in Germany declared the project dead.​

​

Germany looked into its armory for what it could give Ukraine and found completely unusable Puma tanks, so it promised a small number of Leopard tanks, then it looked for excuses not to send them if the U.S. didn't send Abrams tanks, then it found that the Leopard tanks it wanted to send were also not battle-ready. It's not working to reverse this.​

​

Germany does buy more American liquefied natural gas for energy — resentfully, because of the blowup of Nord Stream 2. But Europeans have largely bypassed the frightful sanctions they imposed on Russia in 2022 by relying on Russian proxies as a pass-through.​

​

Europe created no wartime economy to match the Russian production of weapons, particular shells, and drones. Around the time of the Munich Security Conference two weeks ago, the Trump administration began asking European governments what they were willing to commit in terms of peacekeepers to Ukraine. Poland replied: none. What an astonishing answer from one of the only NATO members that takes defense seriously. The United Kingdom has indicated some interest in sending peacekeepers, so long as they are protected by Americans. The rest of the European countries fell into an embarrassed silence, or simply returned to asking for what they always want: verbal and moral input with no material or moral commitment.​

​

As the sharp-eyed authors of the EuroIntelligence news source put it, Europeans are trying hard not to notice what has become obvious. In geopolitics, talk goes only so far:​

​

​

​

​

Indeed. The entire project of pulling Ukraine away from its domination by Russia was supposed to economically benefit Europe. That was the very meaning of the economic cooperation proposed ahead of the 2014 Maidan revolution. And yet Europe cannot be arsed to provide much beyond paper promises, loans, and the value of seized Russian assets.​

​

...​

https://www.nationalreview.com/2025/02/stop-blaming-america-first-europe-lost-the-war/

According to my son Europe combined(minus Poland) has one, say again "1" fully equipped combat ready division they can field along with a few companies of armor. The amount of effective combat aircraft available to Europe he was not so sure about. My son did say that Poland most likely has the most effective military of all of the present day European nations. Hopefully for Europe's sake a cessation of hostility between Russia & Ukraine can be achieved. For me my primary concern rests with with the Ukrainian mommas & their kids/lil tykes, like once the defenseless ones become targets/victims then it becomes a catastrophic abject failure on humanities part in general. Humanity needs a LOT MORE quality ambassadorship & a LOT LESS war for sure.

 

[excalibur]

According to my son Europe combined(minus Poland) has one, say again "1" fully equipped combat ready division they can field along with a few companies of armor. The amount of effective combat aircraft available to Europe he was not so sure about. My son did say that Poland most likely has the most effective military of all of the present day European nations. Hopefully for Europe's sake a cessation of hostility between Russia & Ukraine can be achieved. For me my primary concern rests with with the Ukrainian mommas & their kids/lil tykes, like once the defenseless ones become targets/victims then it becomes a catastrophic abject failure on humanities part in general. Humanity needs a LOT MORE quality ambassadorship & a LOT LESS war for sure.

Thread 'Yesterday, Zelensky's military recruiters snatched another young man off the street, threw him into a black van as he screamed, and left behind his do'

Mar 1, 2025

Dirt bags that the left supports. Kidnapping people to throw them into the meat grinder. While Western tools go all soft for Zelensky.

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[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Thread 'Yesterday, Zelensky's military recruiters snatched another young man off the street, threw him into a black van as he screamed, and left behind his do'

Mar 1, 2025

Dirt bags that the left supports. Kidnapping people to throw them into the meat grinder. While Western tools go all soft for Zelensky.

• excalibur
• Replies: 6
• Forum: Current Events

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excalibur is playing for the away team.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Have you factored in how much money Europe has given Putin in Russian oil revenue?

How much have they spent and cost their manufacturing base with the "climate change" racket?

You are near sighted it seems.

Also, PPP is important. This is why when China spends "only $300B" on their military, on a par basis and their focus to only address Taiwan and deter the U.S from responding; they actually spend at least as much as the U.S does.

Food for thought.

Because generally, Russian oil is cheaper. So the likes of the US lose out.

Generally speaking, Russian oil is considered cheaper than American oil, primarily because the type of crude oil Russia exports, known as Urals blend, is typically priced at a discount compared to the lighter, higher-quality American crude oil (WTI) due to its heavier composition and lower refining value; this means buyers often have to pay less for Russian oil per barrel.

Key points to consider:

• Oil quality:
  Russian oil is often considered "heavier" and "sour" compared to American oil, which impacts its price.
  
• Sanctions:
  Due to recent sanctions imposed on Russia, selling its oil can be more complex, sometimes further lowering its price on the global market.
  
• Market dynamics:
  Price fluctuations can occur depending on global market conditions and demand for different oil types.
  

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Trump is Putin's man in the WH as our mayor pointed out last night.

It is good to see Europe rearming.

 

[martybegan]

This

Around the time of the Munich Security Conference two weeks ago, the Trump administration began asking European governments what they were willing to commit in terms of peacekeepers to Ukraine. ​

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Poland replied: none. What an astonishing answer from one of the only NATO members that takes defense seriously. ​

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The United Kingdom has indicated some interest in sending peacekeepers, so long as they are protected by Americans. ​

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The rest of the European countries fell into an embarrassed silence, or simply returned to asking for what they always want: verbal and moral input with no material or moral commitment.​

Poland I can understand, same as the Baltics. It Ukraine goes south with peacekeepers in it, Russia's best move would be to go west and north west.

They need to keep their troops in their own territories, unless they can convince the US to move US troops under NATO to take their own troop's places.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

It's good to see Europe stand up to Trump's corruption.