State Takes Legal Action to Seize $135K From Bakers Who Refused to Make Cake for Lesbian Couple

[Iceweasel]

Why would you want to discriminate against anyone?

There are lots of reasons, not everyone is you. I discriminate on a daily basis not a normal business person. You quickly learn who not to work for. On principle I turned down work for Planned Parenthood since I want no part of helping them. The way it's going the left would have me jailed for it.

 

[JoeB131]

Why would you want to discriminate against anyone?

There are lots of reasons, not everyone is you. I discriminate on a daily basis not a normal business person. You quickly learn who not to work for. On principle I turned down work for Planned Parenthood since I want no part of helping them. The way it's going the left would have me jailed for it.

Well, no. If you had offered to do work for them and then reneged at the last minute, they might have had a case, though.

 

[hazlnut]

State Takes Legal Action to Seize $135K From Oregon Bakers

Nope no harm done to you if you disagree with homosexuality and won't bend to their will. None at all. Just lose your business,money,freedom,house,cars etc etc etc. Great thing about the internet is it NEVER loses its memory so when time comes it will be fairly simple to find the scum who destroyed this nation and get revenge.

Strawman.

They broke state discrimination laws.

If they had refused to make a cake for black people, same thing.

You can't have a business that caters to the public if you're going to discriminate.

Welcome to America. We don't tolerate bigots.

 

[bodecea]

Why would you want to discriminate against anyone?

There are lots of reasons, not everyone is you. I discriminate on a daily basis not a normal business person. You quickly learn who not to work for. On principle I turned down work for Planned Parenthood since I want no part of helping them. The way it's going the left would have me jailed for it.

Nope...that's not how PA laws work. Read your state's PA law sometime to find out.

 

[Votto]

 

[Votto]

State Takes Legal Action to Seize $135K From Oregon Bakers

Nope no harm done to you if you disagree with homosexuality and won't bend to their will. None at all. Just lose your business,money,freedom,house,cars etc etc etc. Great thing about the internet is it NEVER loses its memory so when time comes it will be fairly simple to find the scum who destroyed this nation and get revenge.

Strawman.

They broke state discrimination laws.

If they had refused to make a cake for black people, same thing.

You can't have a business that caters to the public if you're going to discriminate.

Welcome to America. We don't tolerate bigots.

Meanwhile, a WalMart in Georgia is refusing to make a Confederate flag cake..........

You just can't discriminate against a bigot. It's just not possible!

 

[Seawytch]

State Takes Legal Action to Seize $135K From Oregon Bakers

Nope no harm done to you if you disagree with homosexuality and won't bend to their will. None at all. Just lose your business,money,freedom,house,cars etc etc etc. Great thing about the internet is it NEVER loses its memory so when time comes it will be fairly simple to find the scum who destroyed this nation and get revenge.

Strawman.

They broke state discrimination laws.

If they had refused to make a cake for black people, same thing.

You can't have a business that caters to the public if you're going to discriminate.

Welcome to America. We don't tolerate bigots.

Meanwhile, a WalMart in Georgia is refusing to make a Confederate flag cake..........

You just can't discriminate against a bigot. It's just not possible!

Would they make and sell the exact same cake to someone else?

 

[Votto]

State Takes Legal Action to Seize $135K From Oregon Bakers

Nope no harm done to you if you disagree with homosexuality and won't bend to their will. None at all. Just lose your business,money,freedom,house,cars etc etc etc. Great thing about the internet is it NEVER loses its memory so when time comes it will be fairly simple to find the scum who destroyed this nation and get revenge.

Strawman.

They broke state discrimination laws.

If they had refused to make a cake for black people, same thing.

You can't have a business that caters to the public if you're going to discriminate.

Welcome to America. We don't tolerate bigots.

Meanwhile, a WalMart in Georgia is refusing to make a Confederate flag cake..........

You just can't discriminate against a bigot. It's just not possible!

Would they make and sell the exact same cake to someone else?

The state and corporate America are free to discriminate on whom they agree to discriminate against.

Dying veterans at the VA, ignored. Illegal immigrant coming into the local ER, treated.

 

[Seawytch]

State Takes Legal Action to Seize $135K From Oregon Bakers

Nope no harm done to you if you disagree with homosexuality and won't bend to their will. None at all. Just lose your business,money,freedom,house,cars etc etc etc. Great thing about the internet is it NEVER loses its memory so when time comes it will be fairly simple to find the scum who destroyed this nation and get revenge.

Strawman.

They broke state discrimination laws.

If they had refused to make a cake for black people, same thing.

You can't have a business that caters to the public if you're going to discriminate.

Welcome to America. We don't tolerate bigots.

Meanwhile, a WalMart in Georgia is refusing to make a Confederate flag cake..........

You just can't discriminate against a bigot. It's just not possible!

Would they make and sell the exact same cake to someone else?

The state and corporate America are free to discriminate on whom they agree to discriminate against.

Dying veterans at the VA, ignored. Illegal immigrant coming into the local ER, treated.

You didn't answer the question...because you know that your analogy failed.

If they don't make and sell the product, they don't have to.

 

[martybegan]

Murder is still an actual crime, one can apply reasonable limitations to any freedom. The issue is the ones you want are not reasonable.

Denial of service in a public accommodation is still a crime.

I guess what you consider "Reasonable" is at issue.

So let's review. Melissa Klein INVITED the couple in question to come to her shop if they ever decided to get married. It wasn't like this couple picked this shop out of a phone book or targetted it because they knew the owners were Christians. They were invited, and then found themselves being abused by Melissa's Bible thumping husband, who did like the thought of two ladies having sex unless it was on a porn tape, or something.

They made a complaint to the Oregon Civil Rights Bureau. At this point, the Kleins had the law explained to them and they could have simply apologized and that was the end of the matter. Instead they published the names of htis couple in right wing news sources, and they were subjected to even more abuse.

Just not working up a whole lot of sympathy for these people.

it's not a "crime". Its a civil violation, which doesn't mean its right in this case.

and your embellishment of the details is noted, weak arguments require twisting the truth.

and your last point has been debunked by people on YOUR side of the argument.

 

[martybegan]

The right of the individual to associate with who they want to can only be taken away with a compelling government interest, more so if there is a religious component. Furthermore, the chruch/state "wall" you people blather on about works both ways, giving even more of a burden to the government to prove a compelling interest.

Melissa's isn't a church. It's a business institution.

And if she wasn't turning away Brides who wore pants, had braids, wore jewelry, had tattoos, weren't virgins or any of the other 300 examples of biblical misogyny, then she was using religion as an excuse, not as a reason, for their bigotry.

Freedom of Religion isn't limited to Churches or Clergy.

And you don't get to decide how a person follows their faith, and government sure as hell doesn't either.

 

[Seawytch]

The right of the individual to associate with who they want to can only be taken away with a compelling government interest, more so if there is a religious component. Furthermore, the chruch/state "wall" you people blather on about works both ways, giving even more of a burden to the government to prove a compelling interest.

Melissa's isn't a church. It's a business institution.

And if she wasn't turning away Brides who wore pants, had braids, wore jewelry, had tattoos, weren't virgins or any of the other 300 examples of biblical misogyny, then she was using religion as an excuse, not as a reason, for their bigotry.

Freedom of Religion isn't limited to Churches or Clergy.

And you don't get to decide how a person follows their faith, and government sure as hell doesn't either.

And nobody is, certainly not the government. Your right to practice your religion is not being infringed upon.

 

[OnePercenter]

There are lots of reasons, not everyone is you. I discriminate on a daily basis not a normal business person. You quickly learn who not to work for. On principle I turned down work for Planned Parenthood since I want no part of helping them. The way it's going the left would have me jailed for it.

You turned down a paid project because of some personal ignorance? IDIOT!

 

[OnePercenter]

Meanwhile, a WalMart in Georgia is refusing to make a Confederate flag cake..........

You just can't discriminate against a bigot. It's just not possible!

I'm sure that Walmart will also refuse to make cake with a swastika. Same difference.

 

[OnePercenter]

The state and corporate America are free to discriminate on whom they agree to discriminate against.

Dying veterans at the VA, ignored. Illegal immigrant coming into the local ER, treated.

Get the Republicans to properly fund the VA and our veterans won't be 'ignored.'

 

[bodecea]

There are lots of reasons, not everyone is you. I discriminate on a daily basis not a normal business person. You quickly learn who not to work for. On principle I turned down work for Planned Parenthood since I want no part of helping them. The way it's going the left would have me jailed for it.

You turned down a paid project because of some personal ignorance? IDIOT!

Hey...It went to someone else. That's the good news.

 

[LittleNipper]

Gee, refusing to pay didn't work? What a shock. Thought for sure the State was just gonna give up and forget about it.

And WHO exactly is the STATE? YOU or ME?

 

[LittleNipper]

Now we should all realize why the country is in such a fiscal mess. What cake is worth $135,000.00. Obviously, the GOVERNMENT values its own judgment far more than it values freedom of religious values.

Now imagine that this is only concerning making a cake. Heaven forbid the baker told that couple of homosexuals that they were in danger of going to hell!

 

[Votto]

The state and corporate America are free to discriminate on whom they agree to discriminate against.

Dying veterans at the VA, ignored. Illegal immigrant coming into the local ER, treated.

Get the Republicans to properly fund the VA and our veterans won't be 'ignored.'

Sure, just as soon as we purge the government of Republicans all will be well with the world.

Thanks for that.

Now on to government run health care for private citizens.

 

[Votto]

Meanwhile, a WalMart in Georgia is refusing to make a Confederate flag cake..........

You just can't discriminate against a bigot. It's just not possible!

I'm sure that Walmart will also refuse to make cake with a swastika. Same difference.

Actually someone asked WalMart to make an ISIS cake and they made it.

At least Hitler did not crucify children on crosses.