Somebody Explain Sanctuary Cities to Me

[DGS49]

LA council adopts sanctuary city ordinance to thwart Trump immigration enforcement

“We know that there is a target on our back from this president-elect, and what we are doing here is we are hardening our defenses,” Councilman Bob Blumenfield said.

www.dailynews.com

These are LAWS passed by city legislative bodies (usually the City Council) to protect the interests of people who are in the country in violation of U.S.law.

Seriously. Explain it to me.

Even ignoring the fact that these people have broken our laws, the beneficiaries of these laws are not permitted legally to work in the United States. And because of the fact that the Supreme Court has determined that public benefits cannot be denied them because of their illegal status, they are PUBLIC CHARGES. They rely on the already-strained "safety net," including SNAP benefits, Medicaid, housing subsidies, free school tuition for their offspring, and who knows what else, so they are a burden to the local, State, and Federal taxpayers.

Our elected officials have a legal and moral obligation to protect the interests of citizens and others who are legally resident in our communities. Making yours a "sanctuary city" is THE OPPOSITE of that!

Who benefits from this?

Legislators who vote for these laws should be impeached, voted out of office and indicted...there MUST be some law that they are breaking.

 

[Votto]

I could explain it to you, the same way I could explain to you why prostitution is illegal but porn is legal, but then, your head would explode because lawyers are all corrupt and insane.

 

[Thunk]

Explanation: Trump derangement syndrome.

Watch how many law makers will now come out AGAINST cutting out waste, fraud and abuse of taxpayer money...Why?

Because TRUMP!

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

LA council adopts sanctuary city ordinance to thwart Trump immigration enforcement

“We know that there is a target on our back from this president-elect, and what we are doing here is we are hardening our defenses,” Councilman Bob Blumenfield said.

www.dailynews.com

These are LAWS passed by city legislative bodies (usually the City Council) to protect the interests of people who are in the country in violation of U.S.law.

Seriously. Explain it to me.

Even ignoring the fact that these people have broken our laws, the beneficiaries of these laws are not permitted legally to work in the United States. And because of the fact that the Supreme Court has determined that public benefits cannot be denied them because of their illegal status, they are PUBLIC CHARGES. They rely on the already-strained "safety net," including SNAP benefits, Medicaid, housing subsidies, free school tuition for their offspring, and who knows what else, so they are a burden to the local, State, and Federal taxpayers.

Our elected officials have a legal and moral obligation to protect the interests of citizens and others who are legally resident in our communities. Making yours a "sanctuary city" is THE OPPOSITE of that!

Who benefits from this?

Legislators who vote for these laws should be impeached, voted out of office and indicted...there MUST be some law that they are breaking.

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They get to sleep better at night having convinced themselves that they are so "tolerant".


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[MisterBeale]

Seriously. Explain it to me.

It is the same reason states feel they can pass dope decriminalization laws.


It is basically a statement of various political grouping/local populations that they won't abide by the laws of the fed.

Who benefits from this?

Global corporations, and the global ruing elite. They plan to use this issue to weaken the nation state, and thus, use it to shoe horn in a global technocratic police state.


You don't see the parallels with what is going on in Europe? This is a planned destruction of the Westphalian system. Likely these plans were hashed out at international ruling confabs like the Trilateral Commission, DAVOS and Bilderberg.

. . . how to get folks to go along? The same folks run higher education institutions via billionaire foundation endowments, also control establishment media by monopolization and media concentration . . . That's essential to maintaining the propaganda.

The world's elites support immigration because they don't pay the price | Opinion | Opinion

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www.haaretz.com

https://archive.ph/iC3CL#selection-943.0-955.232

". . . In the struggle to free themselves from their obligations to the national populations from which they have emerged, the new elites in the West repeatedly appeal to universal human rights. Increasingly, however, it turns out that universal human rights are becoming a tool to undermine particular civil rights anchored in the nation-state. In the name of equality the very category of citizenship – i.e., the distinction between citizens and residents, immigrants, foreign workers and illegal aliens – is progressively eroded.

This is true not only in Israel. Just last month the U.S. Supreme Court blocked the addition of a citizenship question to the upcoming nationwide census conducted in the United States every 10 years. And a little over six months ago, the United Nations General Assembly adopted the Global Compact for Safe, Orderly and Regular Migration, which edges toward turning immigration into something approaching a universal right. The European Union applauded this and rumor has it that it is now seeking to have the accord, which is not binding according to international law, made binding on its members states (some of which have already declared that they will not accept it). . . "


It is the strategy of the global technate. One cannot get the population on board with a cradle to grave global government that controls everything, w/o this.

Trilateral Commission’s Goal Of Technocracy Pursues Immigration Crisis To Get There​

Trilateral Commission's Goal Of Technocracy Pursues Immigration Crisis To Get There

Technocracy is a system pitted against all others, including capitalism, Marxism, and outright Fascism. However, it will use those other systems to achieve its goals of Scientific Dictatorship. The Trilateral Commission kickstarted modern Technocracy in 1973 and devised a policy of using mass...

www.technocracy.news

https://archive.ph/dEHex#selection-2134.0-2161.84

". . . Those who espouse the Great Replacement theory often cite the comments of Peter Sutherland (1946 – 2018) as evidence that there is a cohesive “plan” to replace European culture. Sutherland was “influential” in guiding the development of the EU and the World Trade Organisation (WTO). He was a banker, business man, lawyer and politician. Sutherland sat on the Bilderberg steering committee, he was chairman of Trilateral Commission European division and the European Round Table movement.

Sutherland was part of what US Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) member David Rothkopf called the “Superclass.” In an on-stage discussion, held by the global think tank the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace (CEIP), Rothkopf generously defined members of the alleged Superclass as “people who influence the lives of millions across borders on a regular basis.”

Rothkopf’s opinion is aligned with a branch of political science called “elite theory.” It generally argues that oligarchs—those who use their immense wealth to buy social and political “influence”—are beneficial for, or necessary to, the function of a healthy society. Numerous contrarian economists, philosophers, political theorists and scientists have argued the elite theorists’ assertions are abject nonsense.

In 2012, speaking in the UK House of Lords to the the European Union Home Affairs Health and Education inquiry on Global Approach to Migration and Mobility, Sutherland was asked by Lord Sharkey to explain why he viewed inward migration necessary. Sutherland was of the opinion that declining and ageing populations in Europe needed demographic stimulus, even if just from an economic perspective.
Sutherland answered:

So demographics are a key element of the debate, and a key argument for the development of—I hesitate to use the word because people have attacked it—multicultural states. It is impossible to consider that the degree of homogeneity which is implied by the alternative argument can survive, because states have to become more open in terms of the people who inhabit them, as the United Kingdom has demonstrated.

Lord Judd noted that unemployment rates were particularly high across Europe—compared to the Americas and Oceania—among migrant populations. He Asked Sutherland why he thought that was the case and what the European Union proposed to do about it. Sutherland said:

[. . .] the United States or Australia and New Zealand are migrant societies and therefore accommodate more readily those from other backgrounds than we do ourselves, who still nurse a sense of our homogeneity and difference from others, which is precisely what the European Union, in my view, should be doing its best to undermine.. . .

etc.

 

[protectionist]

...there MUST be some law that they are breaking.

US Code 8, Section 1324.....with penalties ranging from 5 years in federal prison, to the DEATH PENALTY, depending on the partIcular circumstances.

8 U.S. Code § 1324 - Bringing in and harboring certain aliens

www.law.cornell.edu

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

LA council adopts sanctuary city ordinance to thwart Trump immigration enforcement

“We know that there is a target on our back from this president-elect, and what we are doing here is we are hardening our defenses,” Councilman Bob Blumenfield said.

www.dailynews.com

These are LAWS passed by city legislative bodies (usually the City Council) to protect the interests of people who are in the country in violation of U.S.law.

Seriously. Explain it to me.

Even ignoring the fact that these people have broken our laws, the beneficiaries of these laws are not permitted legally to work in the United States. And because of the fact that the Supreme Court has determined that public benefits cannot be denied them because of their illegal status, they are PUBLIC CHARGES. They rely on the already-strained "safety net," including SNAP benefits, Medicaid, housing subsidies, free school tuition for their offspring, and who knows what else, so they are a burden to the local, State, and Federal taxpayers.

Our elected officials have a legal and moral obligation to protect the interests of citizens and others who are legally resident in our communities. Making yours a "sanctuary city" is THE OPPOSITE of that!

Who benefits from this?

Legislators who vote for these laws should be impeached, voted out of office and indicted...there MUST be some law that they are breaking.

By whom? Themselves?

 

[protectionist]

LA council adopts sanctuary city ordinance to thwart Trump immigration enforcement

“We know that there is a target on our back from this president-elect, and what we are doing here is we are hardening our defenses,” Councilman Bob Blumenfield said.

www.dailynews.com

These are LAWS passed by city legislative bodies (usually the City Council) to protect the interests of people who are in the country in violation of U.S.law.

Seriously. Explain it to me.

Even ignoring the fact that these people have broken our laws, the beneficiaries of these laws are not permitted legally to work in the United States. And because of the fact that the Supreme Court has determined that public benefits cannot be denied them because of their illegal status, they are PUBLIC CHARGES. They rely on the already-strained "safety net," including SNAP benefits, Medicaid, housing subsidies, free school tuition for their offspring, and who knows what else, so they are a burden to the local, State, and Federal taxpayers.

Our elected officials have a legal and moral obligation to protect the interests of citizens and others who are legally resident in our communities. Making yours a "sanctuary city" is THE OPPOSITE of that!

Who benefits from this?

Legislators who vote for these laws should be impeached, voted out of office and indicted...there MUST be some law that they are breaking.

They are cities led by mayors & city councilmembers who are begging the federal government to imprison them, or execute them, but are to f'n stupid to know that.

 

[protectionist]

By whom? Themselves?

Tom Homan & Donald Trump are well qualified to do the job.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Tom Homan & Donald Trump are well qualified to do the job.

Oh, I agree they are well qualified, but they can't impeach them. They can't make the voters throw them out. They can only indict if they break federal law. So, you are one for three on his list. That was my point.

 

[protectionist]

Oh, I agree they are well qualified, but they can't impeach them. They can't make the voters throw them out. They can only indict if they break federal law. So, you are one for three on his list. That was my point.

One is all that is needed. Arrest them (US Code 8, Section 1324)
and imprison them. Homan has already said he is open to that.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

One is all that is needed. Arrest them (US Code 8, Section 1324)
and imprison them. Homan has already said he is open to that.

I agree. I was arguing the other two tactics won't work.

 

[dudmuck]

LA council adopts sanctuary city ordinance to thwart Trump immigration enforcement

“We know that there is a target on our back from this president-elect, and what we are doing here is we are hardening our defenses,” Councilman Bob Blumenfield said.

www.dailynews.com

These are LAWS passed by city legislative bodies (usually the City Council) to protect the interests of people who are in the country in violation of U.S.law.

Seriously. Explain it to me.

Even ignoring the fact that these people have broken our laws, the beneficiaries of these laws are not permitted legally to work in the United States. And because of the fact that the Supreme Court has determined that public benefits cannot be denied them because of their illegal status, they are PUBLIC CHARGES. They rely on the already-strained "safety net," including SNAP benefits, Medicaid, housing subsidies, free school tuition for their offspring, and who knows what else, so they are a burden to the local, State, and Federal taxpayers.

Our elected officials have a legal and moral obligation to protect the interests of citizens and others who are legally resident in our communities. Making yours a "sanctuary city" is THE OPPOSITE of that!

Who benefits from this?

Legislators who vote for these laws should be impeached, voted out of office and indicted...there MUST be some law that they are breaking.

living near Los Angeles CA, i can give some general insight.

The basic intent is for resolving day-to-day crimes, local law enforcement needs to cooperation of as much of the community as possible. If the police is simultaneously try to ascertain legal residency status while investigating an actual crime, then often the actual crime is not resolved. These are crimes like property crime, assault and other violence such as killings and street gangs. If they are on the lookout for undocumented immigrants, they turn off also legal residents of the same ethic group or country of origin.

Without sanctuary condition of the city, there will be large swaths of the city were police work becomes 10x more difficult.

I can also say that around here, basically all farm workers are of hispanic ethic group. There is no way to know their legal residency status as a passer-by like me, but its 100% certain that their labor is needed to produce the food we eat.

 

[protectionist]

living near Los Angeles CA, i can give some general insight.

The basic intent is for resolving day-to-day crimes, local law enforcement needs to cooperation of as much of the community as possible. If the police is simultaneously try to ascertain legal residency status while investigating an actual crime, then often the actual crime is not resolved. These are crimes like property crime, assault and other violence such as killings and street gangs. If they are on the lookout for undocumented immigrants, they turn off also legal residents of the same ethic group or country of origin.

Without sanctuary condition of the city, there will be large swaths of the city were police work becomes 10x more difficult.

I can also say that around here, basically all farm workers are of hispanic ethic group. There is no way to know their legal residency status as a passer-by like me, but its 100% certain that their labor is needed to produce the food we eat.

None of this is true. Just get the illegals out, and everything will be better.

Harms of illegal immigration

1. Americans lose jobs. (especially Whites due to affirmative action).
2. Wage reduction.
3. Tax $ lost (due to off books work + lower wages paid).
4. Remittance $$$ lost. ($148 Billion/year). Remittance flows worldwide in 2017
5. Tax $$ lost to immigrants on welfare.
6. Increased crime.
7. Increased traffic congestion.
8. Increased pollution.
9. Overcrowding in hospital ERs.
10. Overcrowding in recreational facilities.
11. Overcrowding in government offices.
12. Overcrowding in schools.
13. Decrease in funds available for entitlements.
14. Cultural erosion.
15. Overuse of scarce resources (oil, gasoline, fresh water, jobs, electricity, food, etc)
16. Introduction of foreign diseases ) & Covid
17. Influx of terrorists.
18. Wildfires
19. Litter
20. Housing saturation.
21. Excessively high housing costs.

 

[dudmuck]

None of this is true. Just get the illegals out, and everything will be better.

Harms of illegal immigration

1. Americans lose jobs. (especially Whites due to affirmative action).
2. Wage reduction.
3. Tax $ lost (due to off books work + lower wages paid).
4. Remittance $$$ lost. ($148 Billion/year). Remittance flows worldwide in 2017
5. Tax $$ lost to immigrants on welfare.
6. Increased crime.
7. Increased traffic congestion.
8. Increased pollution.
9. Overcrowding in hospital ERs.
10. Overcrowding in recreational facilities.
11. Overcrowding in government offices.
12. Overcrowding in schools.
13. Decrease in funds available for entitlements.
14. Cultural erosion.
15. Overuse of scarce resources (oil, gasoline, fresh water, jobs, electricity, food, etc)
16. Introduction of foreign diseases ) & Covid
17. Influx of terrorists.
18. Wildfires
19. Litter
20. Housing saturation.
21. Excessively high housing costs.

 

[d0gbreath]

US Code 8, Section 1324.....with penalties ranging from 5 years in federal prison, to the DEATH PENALTY, depending on the partIcular circumstances.

8 U.S. Code § 1324 - Bringing in and harboring certain aliens

www.law.cornell.edu

The sanctuary city mayors aren't "bringing in" the illegal workers, so your law has no teeth.

 

[protectionist]

The sanctuary city mayors aren't "bringing in" the illegal workers, so your law has no teeth.

The title is >Bringing in and harboring certain aliens

Now try reading the whole statute.

(iii) knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, conceals, harbors, or shields from detection, or attempts to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection, such alien in any place, including any building or any means of transportation;

 

[d0gbreath]

The title is >Bringing in and harboring certain aliens

Now try reading the whole statute.

(iii) knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, conceals, harbors, or shields from detection, or attempts to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection, such alien in any place, including any building or any means of transportation;

I stand corrected. Now what are the chances that those charges will ever be brought against anyone? You're excited and think that they will be brought against sanctuary city mayors, when no employer has ever even been fined. Do you need some time to think it over?

 

[protectionist]

I stand corrected. Now what are the chances that those charges will ever be brought against anyone? You're excited and think that they will be brought against sanctuary city mayors, when no employer has ever even been fined. Do you need some time to think it over?

Nope. The 2 scenarios you mention couldn't be more different.

1. Generally, nothing has been done to owners of companies that hire illegal aliens for decades now. The courts long ago gave up on these IRCA prosecutions, as they are dependent on proving that the defendants "KNOWINGLY" hired the illegals, a critical stipulation generally impossible to prove.

2. Unlike the scenario above, the evidence for prosecution of sanctuary city official bozos is already paved. They hung themselves when they passed their sanctuary laws, and codified them into city or state law. ICE and the FBI need look no further. Slam dunk.

 

[protectionist]

Some of them take jobs
Some of them take welfare.
That was hard, huh ?