So...if you were in that Nightclub in Cali. would you want a gun to stop the shooter?

[2aguy]

Another gun free zone, and another question for our anti-gunners....if you were in that NightClub when the shooter came in.....violating the gun control laws of California, the gun free zone, and the laws against murder.....

Would you want a gun to save your life with? How about to save your wife, or other family members?

 

[Moonglow]

usually the bouncer or security has the weapons in a place that serves alcohol.
Would I want to be in a room with drunks and guns, no way..

 

[2aguy]

usually the bouncer or security has the weapons in a place that serves alcohol.
Would I want to be in a room with drunks and guns, no way..

In Virginia, they passed a law allowing concealed carry in bars....crime in bars went down 5.2%....and other states already allow people to carry in bars, they just can't drink.....so, once again, nothing you stated has a bearing on what is actually happening right now...

Allowing guns into bars has ‘surprising’ result - WND



When Virginia passed a law allowing concealed carry in bars and alcohol-serving restaurants beginning July 1 of last year, opponents of the change decried the dangers of mixing guns and alcohol, for fear violent crimes would escalate.

But one year later, the Richmond Times-Dispatch did a study to see if the gloomy prognostications came true.

According to state police records, not only did gun violence in bars and restaurants not increase under the new law, it decreased by 5.2 percent.

In fact, of the 145 reported crimes with guns that occurred in Virginia bars and restaurants in fiscal 2010-11 (compared to 153 incidents in the year before the new law took effect), only two of the aggravated assault cases were related to concealed-carry permit holders. In one incident, the crime took place at a restaurant that didn’t serve alcohol – thus unrelated to the new law – and in the other, the weapon was neither discharged nor withdrawn from its holster.

“The numbers basically just confirm what we’ve said would happen if the General Assembly changed the law,” Philip Van Cleave, president of the pro-gun Virginia Citizens Defense League, told the Times-Dispatch. “Keep in mind what the other side was saying – that this was going to be a blood bath, that restaurants will be dangerous and people will stop going. But there was nothing to base the fear-mongering on.”

 

[miketx]

Count on liberals to reply with "facts" that have absolutely no basis in fact.

 

[Moonglow]

Count on liberals to reply with "facts" that have absolutely no basis in fact.

He ask a simple question not one that has a need for pages of proof to assert your opinion of yes or no.

 

[Jimmy_Chitwood]

Another gun free zone, and another question for our anti-gunners....if you were in that NightClub when the shooter came in.....violating the gun control laws of California, the gun free zone, and the laws against murder.....

Would you want a gun to save your life with? How about to save your wife, or other family members?

A couple large caliber firearms and gratuitous ammunition.

Does that make me a bad person?

 

[miketx]

I may buy one of these. Wilson supergrade.

 

[Care4all]

usually the bouncer or security has the weapons in a place that serves alcohol.
Would I want to be in a room with drunks and guns, no way..

In Virginia, they passed a law allowing concealed carry in bars....crime in bars went down 5.2%....and other states already allow people to carry in bars, they just can't drink.....so, once again, nothing you stated has a bearing on what is actually happening right now...

Allowing guns into bars has ‘surprising’ result - WND



When Virginia passed a law allowing concealed carry in bars and alcohol-serving restaurants beginning July 1 of last year, opponents of the change decried the dangers of mixing guns and alcohol, for fear violent crimes would escalate.

But one year later, the Richmond Times-Dispatch did a study to see if the gloomy prognostications came true.

According to state police records, not only did gun violence in bars and restaurants not increase under the new law, it decreased by 5.2 percent.

In fact, of the 145 reported crimes with guns that occurred in Virginia bars and restaurants in fiscal 2010-11 (compared to 153 incidents in the year before the new law took effect), only two of the aggravated assault cases were related to concealed-carry permit holders. In one incident, the crime took place at a restaurant that didn’t serve alcohol – thus unrelated to the new law – and in the other, the weapon was neither discharged nor withdrawn from its holster.

“The numbers basically just confirm what we’ve said would happen if the General Assembly changed the law,” Philip Van Cleave, president of the pro-gun Virginia Citizens Defense League, told the Times-Dispatch. “Keep in mind what the other side was saying – that this was going to be a blood bath, that restaurants will be dangerous and people will stop going. But there was nothing to base the fear-mongering on.”

Do you realize this article is from 2012?

Do you happen to have the results thru 2017, so we can get a better idea on how the law has been working for 5 years or more, instead of just 1 year??

 

[elongobardi]

usually the bouncer or security has the weapons in a place that serves alcohol.
Would I want to be in a room with drunks and guns, no way..

Bouncers don’t carry guns. Also anyone carrying a gun won’t be drinking. We’re not stupid like the liberals.


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[skye]

Yes, why not.

I would keep it in my closet, hoping never to use it.....but if I have to (heaven forbid) ....well...it's there

oh....what happened to this thread?

oh well

 

[skye]

I voted yes.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

usually the bouncer or security has the weapons in a place that serves alcohol.
Would I want to be in a room with drunks and guns, no way..

Bouncers don’t carry guns. Also anyone carrying a gun won’t be drinking. We’re not stupid like the liberals.

My wife and I alternate being the designated shooter-driver.

 

[Moonglow]

usually the bouncer or security has the weapons in a place that serves alcohol.
Would I want to be in a room with drunks and guns, no way..

Bouncers don’t carry guns. Also anyone carrying a gun won’t be drinking. We’re not stupid like the liberals.


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Stupid people hang in bars and nightclubs, carry-on.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

usually the bouncer or security has the weapons in a place that serves alcohol.
Would I want to be in a room with drunks and guns, no way..

Bouncers don’t carry guns. Also anyone carrying a gun won’t be drinking. We’re not stupid like the liberals.


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Stupid people hang in bars and nightclubs, carry-on.

Where do smart people hang out? McDonalds? Taco Bell?

 

[danielpalos]

usually the bouncer or security has the weapons in a place that serves alcohol.
Would I want to be in a room with drunks and guns, no way..

In Virginia, they passed a law allowing concealed carry in bars....crime in bars went down 5.2%....and other states already allow people to carry in bars, they just can't drink.....so, once again, nothing you stated has a bearing on what is actually happening right now...

Allowing guns into bars has ‘surprising’ result - WND



When Virginia passed a law allowing concealed carry in bars and alcohol-serving restaurants beginning July 1 of last year, opponents of the change decried the dangers of mixing guns and alcohol, for fear violent crimes would escalate.

But one year later, the Richmond Times-Dispatch did a study to see if the gloomy prognostications came true.

According to state police records, not only did gun violence in bars and restaurants not increase under the new law, it decreased by 5.2 percent.

In fact, of the 145 reported crimes with guns that occurred in Virginia bars and restaurants in fiscal 2010-11 (compared to 153 incidents in the year before the new law took effect), only two of the aggravated assault cases were related to concealed-carry permit holders. In one incident, the crime took place at a restaurant that didn’t serve alcohol – thus unrelated to the new law – and in the other, the weapon was neither discharged nor withdrawn from its holster.

“The numbers basically just confirm what we’ve said would happen if the General Assembly changed the law,” Philip Van Cleave, president of the pro-gun Virginia Citizens Defense League, told the Times-Dispatch. “Keep in mind what the other side was saying – that this was going to be a blood bath, that restaurants will be dangerous and people will stop going. But there was nothing to base the fear-mongering on.”

Do we know why gun violence occurs in "places of entertainment"?

 

[danielpalos]

Another gun free zone, and another question for our anti-gunners....if you were in that NightClub when the shooter came in.....violating the gun control laws of California, the gun free zone, and the laws against murder.....

Would you want a gun to save your life with? How about to save your wife, or other family members?

A couple large caliber firearms and gratuitous ammunition.

Does that make me a bad person?

under Capitalism, someone is making money.

 

[2aguy]

usually the bouncer or security has the weapons in a place that serves alcohol.
Would I want to be in a room with drunks and guns, no way..

In Virginia, they passed a law allowing concealed carry in bars....crime in bars went down 5.2%....and other states already allow people to carry in bars, they just can't drink.....so, once again, nothing you stated has a bearing on what is actually happening right now...

Allowing guns into bars has ‘surprising’ result - WND



When Virginia passed a law allowing concealed carry in bars and alcohol-serving restaurants beginning July 1 of last year, opponents of the change decried the dangers of mixing guns and alcohol, for fear violent crimes would escalate.

But one year later, the Richmond Times-Dispatch did a study to see if the gloomy prognostications came true.

According to state police records, not only did gun violence in bars and restaurants not increase under the new law, it decreased by 5.2 percent.

In fact, of the 145 reported crimes with guns that occurred in Virginia bars and restaurants in fiscal 2010-11 (compared to 153 incidents in the year before the new law took effect), only two of the aggravated assault cases were related to concealed-carry permit holders. In one incident, the crime took place at a restaurant that didn’t serve alcohol – thus unrelated to the new law – and in the other, the weapon was neither discharged nor withdrawn from its holster.

“The numbers basically just confirm what we’ve said would happen if the General Assembly changed the law,” Philip Van Cleave, president of the pro-gun Virginia Citizens Defense League, told the Times-Dispatch. “Keep in mind what the other side was saying – that this was going to be a blood bath, that restaurants will be dangerous and people will stop going. But there was nothing to base the fear-mongering on.”

Do we know why gun violence occurs in "places of entertainment"?

Because they are usually gun free zones, as this night club, the pulse nightclub were.....and there are large numbers of people in a tightly packed space, with escape slowed down by few external exits...

 

[2aguy]

usually the bouncer or security has the weapons in a place that serves alcohol.
Would I want to be in a room with drunks and guns, no way..

In Virginia, they passed a law allowing concealed carry in bars....crime in bars went down 5.2%....and other states already allow people to carry in bars, they just can't drink.....so, once again, nothing you stated has a bearing on what is actually happening right now...

Allowing guns into bars has ‘surprising’ result - WND



When Virginia passed a law allowing concealed carry in bars and alcohol-serving restaurants beginning July 1 of last year, opponents of the change decried the dangers of mixing guns and alcohol, for fear violent crimes would escalate.

But one year later, the Richmond Times-Dispatch did a study to see if the gloomy prognostications came true.

According to state police records, not only did gun violence in bars and restaurants not increase under the new law, it decreased by 5.2 percent.

In fact, of the 145 reported crimes with guns that occurred in Virginia bars and restaurants in fiscal 2010-11 (compared to 153 incidents in the year before the new law took effect), only two of the aggravated assault cases were related to concealed-carry permit holders. In one incident, the crime took place at a restaurant that didn’t serve alcohol – thus unrelated to the new law – and in the other, the weapon was neither discharged nor withdrawn from its holster.

“The numbers basically just confirm what we’ve said would happen if the General Assembly changed the law,” Philip Van Cleave, president of the pro-gun Virginia Citizens Defense League, told the Times-Dispatch. “Keep in mind what the other side was saying – that this was going to be a blood bath, that restaurants will be dangerous and people will stop going. But there was nothing to base the fear-mongering on.”

Do you realize this article is from 2012?

Do you happen to have the results thru 2017, so we can get a better idea on how the law has been working for 5 years or more, instead of just 1 year??

I can look, but the press may have lost interest in the specific topic of crime in bars with so much time passing...

 

[danielpalos]

usually the bouncer or security has the weapons in a place that serves alcohol.
Would I want to be in a room with drunks and guns, no way..

In Virginia, they passed a law allowing concealed carry in bars....crime in bars went down 5.2%....and other states already allow people to carry in bars, they just can't drink.....so, once again, nothing you stated has a bearing on what is actually happening right now...

Allowing guns into bars has ‘surprising’ result - WND



When Virginia passed a law allowing concealed carry in bars and alcohol-serving restaurants beginning July 1 of last year, opponents of the change decried the dangers of mixing guns and alcohol, for fear violent crimes would escalate.

But one year later, the Richmond Times-Dispatch did a study to see if the gloomy prognostications came true.

According to state police records, not only did gun violence in bars and restaurants not increase under the new law, it decreased by 5.2 percent.

In fact, of the 145 reported crimes with guns that occurred in Virginia bars and restaurants in fiscal 2010-11 (compared to 153 incidents in the year before the new law took effect), only two of the aggravated assault cases were related to concealed-carry permit holders. In one incident, the crime took place at a restaurant that didn’t serve alcohol – thus unrelated to the new law – and in the other, the weapon was neither discharged nor withdrawn from its holster.

“The numbers basically just confirm what we’ve said would happen if the General Assembly changed the law,” Philip Van Cleave, president of the pro-gun Virginia Citizens Defense League, told the Times-Dispatch. “Keep in mind what the other side was saying – that this was going to be a blood bath, that restaurants will be dangerous and people will stop going. But there was nothing to base the fear-mongering on.”

Do we know why gun violence occurs in "places of entertainment"?

Because they are usually gun free zones, as this night club, the pulse nightclub were.....and there are large numbers of people in a tightly packed space, with escape slowed down by few external exits...

that does not make sense. why would a Person want to go there instead of somewhere else, if they just want to shoot.

 

[2aguy]

usually the bouncer or security has the weapons in a place that serves alcohol.
Would I want to be in a room with drunks and guns, no way..

In Virginia, they passed a law allowing concealed carry in bars....crime in bars went down 5.2%....and other states already allow people to carry in bars, they just can't drink.....so, once again, nothing you stated has a bearing on what is actually happening right now...

Allowing guns into bars has ‘surprising’ result - WND



When Virginia passed a law allowing concealed carry in bars and alcohol-serving restaurants beginning July 1 of last year, opponents of the change decried the dangers of mixing guns and alcohol, for fear violent crimes would escalate.

But one year later, the Richmond Times-Dispatch did a study to see if the gloomy prognostications came true.

According to state police records, not only did gun violence in bars and restaurants not increase under the new law, it decreased by 5.2 percent.

In fact, of the 145 reported crimes with guns that occurred in Virginia bars and restaurants in fiscal 2010-11 (compared to 153 incidents in the year before the new law took effect), only two of the aggravated assault cases were related to concealed-carry permit holders. In one incident, the crime took place at a restaurant that didn’t serve alcohol – thus unrelated to the new law – and in the other, the weapon was neither discharged nor withdrawn from its holster.

“The numbers basically just confirm what we’ve said would happen if the General Assembly changed the law,” Philip Van Cleave, president of the pro-gun Virginia Citizens Defense League, told the Times-Dispatch. “Keep in mind what the other side was saying – that this was going to be a blood bath, that restaurants will be dangerous and people will stop going. But there was nothing to base the fear-mongering on.”

Do we know why gun violence occurs in "places of entertainment"?

Because they are usually gun free zones, as this night club, the pulse nightclub were.....and there are large numbers of people in a tightly packed space, with escape slowed down by few external exits...

that does not make sense. why would a Person want to go there instead of somewhere else, if they just want to shoot.

I just explained why they pick those locations...it also helps that the people there may be intoxicated making them easier to trap and kill...


They do go elsewhere.....schools, gun free zones with large groups of unarmed victims....churches....gun free zones with large groups of unarmed victims.....and so on....