some people might say as the pro lifers do about murderers that a public service was done. Ever hear of Randal Terry?
you people completely missed the point---as usual.
mani was right about you.
some people might say as the pro lifers do about murderers that a public service was done. Ever hear of Randal Terry?
you people completely missed the point---as usual.
mani was right about you.
some people might say as the pro lifers do about murderers that a public service was done. Ever hear of Randal Terry?
you people completely missed the point---as usual.
mani was right about you.
I'm pro choice...not pro death. Hence my complaint againt your vying for a light sentence.. LOL
The only point I seemed to miss there was that apparently you have a very long history of being far more pro death than pro life!
Allow me to illustrate my point here- I am pro choice- which does not make me pro abortion. To use these inappropriate and vastly oversimplified labels on people reduces them all to this, which I will now provide in a listed format:
Pro-Life- A person who wants everyone to live forever and ever and never die- and all sperm to be made into people, and all eggs to be fertilized as a female baby-oven's reproductive timeline will allow. One who is not against welfare and public support for low income and child borne families (because they dont want to see people starve to death- or they would not be pro life, now would they?) These people do exist, however rare- and only very rarely do they play an active voice in the abortion/welfare debate.
Anti-abortion- A person who is against abortion, abortifacient contraceptives, certain contraceptives that can cause tearing in the uterine and fallopian walls, which may lead to a person even having the choice between a life saving abortion and their own demise (of course an anti abortionist will be adamantly against the life saving abortion, still), men who sit in hot tubs or wear athletic supporters while trying to conceive, as this excessive heat may cause damage to the DNA structure of the sperm, causing possible miscarriages or again, the need to choose between an abortion and a severely handicapped child (this applies to pro life too, although pro lifers and anti abortionists would clearly be more inclined to force the family to birth and raise the handicapped child, and the anti abortionist would be totally okay if the mother died during a difficult birthing process- while the pro lifer would prefer that the mother be kept alive as well as the child, by any means possible) These people do exist, and represent the majority of the people who commonly and erroneously refer to themselves as "pro life".
Pro abortion- these are people who want none other than for every single pregnancy that is not planned or is not timed right, or has any problems or is at any point just no longer wanted, to be terminated, thus ending our stint then formerly known as "humankind" here on earth. Clearly these people do not really exist, lol..
Pro Choice- WE are the people who LIKE that American women have the freedom to make decisions regarding their own bodies and all the happenings within them. We do not judge people based on what time of day they had sex, where, with whom, or for what reason. We do not judge people because they are not married. We recognize that many couples who are unmarried are having families, willingly. We also recognize that there are many couples who are up to their eyeballs in debt and who do not want any more children. We also think that adoption is a healthy choice to make, and we always hope that the person who makes their decision weighs out all of the pros and cons before committing to it. We see having children as being less of a Gift TO us, and more of a Gift FROM us, to the child. We see childbearing and parenting as a very serious responsibility filled with plenty of ups and downs, rather than being some "wonderous reward" from the heavens. WE understand that all females can DEFINITELY reproduce from the moment they begin menstruation until they are menopausal. WE know that this "period", excuse the pun, lasts women for anywhere between 25-35 years, and we do not place such high expectations of sexual gatekeeping on women, much less on the effectiveness of even long term, or even "permanent" birth control methods.
WE represent the majority. The majority DOES understand that being raped (for instance) is considered valid grounds for an abortion. The majority DOES understand that incest, and life threatening labor or pregnancy is also valid for pregnancy termination.
WE also understand that a killer is a killer, and should be punished and have his freedoms taken away for not respecting the very SANE people who walk into abortion clinics, every day of every year, to manage their very real and very understandable (by the vast majority) problem.
And that, my friend- is where YOU missed the point... and the bus.
Then you see- they are not pro choice.. lol
That everyone has an abortion? That's ridiculous... But I believe you- no doubt you have some seriously twisted friends.
Yeah I did fail to add that in there, sorry- I thought that even the average bear could wrap its mind around that concept, without me having to type it out. Whoops!! My bad. Excuuuuse me!
Again- They are pro choice. Choice involves a persons ability to reason and decide for themselves for what reason they find adequate to terminate a pregnancy. And as long as we are on the topic of the reasons listed that this group (you among them, perhaps?) deems worthy of terminating a pregnancy, or as they would consider it- "kills the baby"- why are those reasons so big and other reasons, like not being informed about antibiotics causing birth control to fail- be so minor or irresponsible? Also, who are you to pass judgment on responsibility to those who choose to have sex without contraception? Catholics are taught at length how to have sex without contraception, and you are going to tell the ones who get pregnant that they were being irresponsible, so they should be forced through 9 months of pregnancy, 18 hours of excruciating labor, and 25-35 pounds of weight gain??? Really! Guess what- that is all very pro choice, still, even if that is a conservative, rather than liberal pro choice mindset.
If answers came on a silver platter, then maybe you are right- maybe those women would have magically gotten their ducks in a row in the 8 months between finding out they were pregnant and being forced to birth.. Maybe the one who was getting her ass kicked by her boyfriend would suddenly meet Mr Right-who-doesn't-mind-and-can-and-will-support-her-and-another-man's-kid, and even be nice enough to not kick her ass as much as the last guy did.. Gee wouldnt that be just peachy? Or the one who already has 3 kids, but has no insurance, and cannot afford to get her tubes tied, who is in the sandwich generation, taking care of her mom who had a stroke, and cannot do anything for herself, and the out of work father.. Yeah a silver platter of answers is what we all need.. all those women need that. You teenagers really do know everything dont you?
By the way, the majority of women who abort already have kids, and just do not want to be like the women of Madagascar who all have a herd of people to feed- and a herd of people to, consequently, take care of them in their old age. The majority of women (who abort) tend to be making a very informed, and very responsible decision when they do so.
You are aware that you will have menses (your period) for between 25 and 35 years, right? You really and truly think that it is humanly possible to be responsible enough, rich enough, and have access to perfect working contraceptives, through that entire time?
Megan- you are going to have to learn to forgive, someday.. And these women who abort do forgive, especially themselves- not for aborting, but for getting pregnant in the first place. That is their only "mistake", and one that is VERY common. Did you also know that 50% of all women, worldwide will experience an unplanned pregnancy at some point in their lifetime? That doesn't mean that every one of these women will abort, and it doesnt mean that the ones whose bodies happen to function properly are irresponsible, and it doesnt mean that they should necessarily want to have even a first kid, much less a third or fourth. And it doesnt mean that they are heartless senseless people for deciding that they simply do not want to be PREGNANT.
A fetus is a fetus.. A baby is a person. You are not alive until you are born and breathing, IMHO. If you don't start breathing, you are stillborn. Even pro lifers call it that. (I base that on 1st- biblical teachings and 2nd- the law, of course)
Then you see- they are not pro choice.. lol
That everyone has an abortion? That's ridiculous... But I believe you- no doubt you have some seriously twisted friends.
Yeah I did fail to add that in there, sorry- I thought that even the average bear could wrap its mind around that concept, without me having to type it out. Whoops!! My bad. Excuuuuse me!
Again- They are pro choice. Choice involves a persons ability to reason and decide for themselves for what reason they find adequate to terminate a pregnancy. And as long as we are on the topic of the reasons listed that this group (you among them, perhaps?) deems worthy of terminating a pregnancy, or as they would consider it- "kills the baby"- why are those reasons so big and other reasons, like not being informed about antibiotics causing birth control to fail- be so minor or irresponsible? Also, who are you to pass judgment on responsibility to those who choose to have sex without contraception? Catholics are taught at length how to have sex without contraception, and you are going to tell the ones who get pregnant that they were being irresponsible, so they should be forced through 9 months of pregnancy, 18 hours of excruciating labor, and 25-35 pounds of weight gain??? Really! Guess what- that is all very pro choice, still, even if that is a conservative, rather than liberal pro choice mindset.
If answers came on a silver platter, then maybe you are right- maybe those women would have magically gotten their ducks in a row in the 8 months between finding out they were pregnant and being forced to birth.. Maybe the one who was getting her ass kicked by her boyfriend would suddenly meet Mr Right-who-doesn't-mind-and-can-and-will-support-her-and-another-man's-kid, and even be nice enough to not kick her ass as much as the last guy did.. Gee wouldnt that be just peachy? Or the one who already has 3 kids, but has no insurance, and cannot afford to get her tubes tied, who is in the sandwich generation, taking care of her mom who had a stroke, and cannot do anything for herself, and the out of work father.. Yeah a silver platter of answers is what we all need.. all those women need that. You teenagers really do know everything dont you?
By the way, the majority of women who abort already have kids, and just do not want to be like the women of Madagascar who all have a herd of people to feed- and a herd of people to, consequently, take care of them in their old age. The majority of women (who abort) tend to be making a very informed, and very responsible decision when they do so.
You are aware that you will have menses (your period) for between 25 and 35 years, right? You really and truly think that it is humanly possible to be responsible enough, rich enough, and have access to perfect working contraceptives, through that entire time?
Megan- you are going to have to learn to forgive, someday.. And these women who abort do forgive, especially themselves- not for aborting, but for getting pregnant in the first place. That is their only "mistake", and one that is VERY common. Did you also know that 50% of all women, worldwide will experience an unplanned pregnancy at some point in their lifetime? That doesn't mean that every one of these women will abort, and it doesnt mean that the ones whose bodies happen to function properly are irresponsible, and it doesnt mean that they should necessarily want to have even a first kid, much less a third or fourth. And it doesnt mean that they are heartless senseless people for deciding that they simply do not want to be PREGNANT.
A fetus is a fetus.. A baby is a person. You are not alive until you are born and breathing, IMHO. If you don't start breathing, you are stillborn. Even pro lifers call it that. (I base that on 1st- biblical teachings and 2nd- the law, of course)
Pro-life is not about judgement. Christians are trying to educate women about their own spirituality. Abortion is murder of your own child. You will not hear about the guilt or feeling of resentment over being deceived (into believing that "thing" growing inside you has the possibility as maturing into something other than "human") from the "pro-choice" groups. They will not tell you that after the "proceedure" you will feel guilt for the rest of your life and that you will measure the time your "child" would have had with others' children of the same "age". They will not tell you at some point, you will see yourself as a murderer, and feel that there is no hope for "your" salvation, that you will be condemned to burn in hell, because you "chose" to kill your own child. They will not tell you that you may never forgive yourself or the ones that deceived you.
Yeah I did fail to add that in there, sorry- I thought that even the average bear could wrap its mind around that concept, without me having to type it out. Whoops!! My bad. Excuuuuse me!
Then you see- they are not pro choice.. lol
That everyone has an abortion? That's ridiculous... But I believe you- no doubt you have some seriously twisted friends.
Yeah I did fail to add that in there, sorry- I thought that even the average bear could wrap its mind around that concept, without me having to type it out. Whoops!! My bad. Excuuuuse me!
Again- They are pro choice. Choice involves a persons ability to reason and decide for themselves for what reason they find adequate to terminate a pregnancy. And as long as we are on the topic of the reasons listed that this group (you among them, perhaps?) deems worthy of terminating a pregnancy, or as they would consider it- "kills the baby"- why are those reasons so big and other reasons, like not being informed about antibiotics causing birth control to fail- be so minor or irresponsible? Also, who are you to pass judgment on responsibility to those who choose to have sex without contraception? Catholics are taught at length how to have sex without contraception, and you are going to tell the ones who get pregnant that they were being irresponsible, so they should be forced through 9 months of pregnancy, 18 hours of excruciating labor, and 25-35 pounds of weight gain??? Really! Guess what- that is all very pro choice, still, even if that is a conservative, rather than liberal pro choice mindset.
If answers came on a silver platter, then maybe you are right- maybe those women would have magically gotten their ducks in a row in the 8 months between finding out they were pregnant and being forced to birth.. Maybe the one who was getting her ass kicked by her boyfriend would suddenly meet Mr Right-who-doesn't-mind-and-can-and-will-support-her-and-another-man's-kid, and even be nice enough to not kick her ass as much as the last guy did.. Gee wouldnt that be just peachy? Or the one who already has 3 kids, but has no insurance, and cannot afford to get her tubes tied, who is in the sandwich generation, taking care of her mom who had a stroke, and cannot do anything for herself, and the out of work father.. Yeah a silver platter of answers is what we all need.. all those women need that. You teenagers really do know everything dont you?
By the way, the majority of women who abort already have kids, and just do not want to be like the women of Madagascar who all have a herd of people to feed- and a herd of people to, consequently, take care of them in their old age. The majority of women (who abort) tend to be making a very informed, and very responsible decision when they do so.
You are aware that you will have menses (your period) for between 25 and 35 years, right? You really and truly think that it is humanly possible to be responsible enough, rich enough, and have access to perfect working contraceptives, through that entire time?
Megan- you are going to have to learn to forgive, someday.. And these women who abort do forgive, especially themselves- not for aborting, but for getting pregnant in the first place. That is their only "mistake", and one that is VERY common. Did you also know that 50% of all women, worldwide will experience an unplanned pregnancy at some point in their lifetime? That doesn't mean that every one of these women will abort, and it doesnt mean that the ones whose bodies happen to function properly are irresponsible, and it doesnt mean that they should necessarily want to have even a first kid, much less a third or fourth. And it doesnt mean that they are heartless senseless people for deciding that they simply do not want to be PREGNANT.
A fetus is a fetus.. A baby is a person. You are not alive until you are born and breathing, IMHO. If you don't start breathing, you are stillborn. Even pro lifers call it that. (I base that on 1st- biblical teachings and 2nd- the law, of course)
Pro-life is not about judgement. Christians are trying to educate women about their own spirituality. Abortion is murder of your own child. You will not hear about the guilt or feeling of resentment over being deceived (into believing that "thing" growing inside you has the possibility as maturing into something other than "human") from the "pro-choice" groups. They will not tell you that after the "proceedure" you will feel guilt for the rest of your life and that you will measure the time your "child" would have had with others' children of the same "age". They will not tell you at some point, you will see yourself as a murderer, and feel that there is no hope for "your" salvation, that you will be condemned to burn in hell, because you "chose" to kill your own child. They will not tell you that you may never forgive yourself or the ones that deceived you.
If you kill a living child, is it murder? If you kill a teen, is it murder? If you kill an adult, is it murder? Your definition of "human" depends on the age. You, in your infinite wisdom have decided that since a different term can be used for a person before they exist the womb alive, allows, you, to redefine life. If a human embryo is in a woman's womb and survives (without killing) the womb, is there any chance that embryo will evolve into another species? Or will that tiny, tiny life become a little girl or boy (if they are not killed)?
You don't have to agree with me on G*d, murder and going to hell stuff, to experience many of those feelings. I was pointing out that those that think abortion is a good thing (pro-choice), never consider the affects that an abortion will have on the "mother".
