Shots fired after vehicle 'driving erratically' tries to back into Coast Guard base

[1srelluc]

MSN

Shots were fired by law enforcement officers late Thursday after a driver failed to comply with verbal commands and attempted to back into Coast Guard Base Alameda in California, officials said.

At approximately 10:00 p.m. PST on Thursday, Coast Guard security personnel standing watch on Coast Guard Island observed a vehicle driving erratically and attempting to back into Coast Guard Base Alameda, posing a direct threat to the safety of Coast Guard and security personnel, according to a spokesperson from the United States Coast Guard.

“Coast Guard personnel issued multiple verbal commands to stop the vehicle, the driver failed to comply and proceeded to put the vehicle in reverse,” officials said. “When the vehicle’s actions posed a direct threat to the safety of Coast Guard and security personnel, law enforcement officers discharged several rounds of live fire.”

No Coast Guard personnel were injured in the incident. Additional details on the driver were not immediately available.

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Talk about no awareness by the on scene media.

Fox News reported two people were treated at a local hospital for gunshot wounds. I assume they were in the U-Haul but it could have been just another night in Oakland.

 

[JGalt]

Sheit man!

 

[1srelluc]

Needed mor:

Jokes aside.....Typical leftist revolutionary tactic.

Create lose-lose situations. Coast Guard must act but when they do, the result will be "overreaction by government forces against protesters".

 

[JGalt]

Looks like some antifa shithead. He's lucky to still be alive, one of the rounds went through the driver's side seat, right next to where his head was...

The driver was wearing a mask...

 

[Blaster]

More left wing lunacy.

 

[Mushroom]

Shots were fired by law enforcement officers late Thursday after a driver failed to comply with verbal commands and attempted to back into Coast Guard Base Alameda in California, officials said.

I have been to that base many times, and anybody that is thinking that their "normal disruption tactics" are going to work against Federal Military Installations has rocks in their head.

And yes, rental trucks have been going through more than the usual suspicion at military bases for decades. This is absolutely nothing new, this has been the pattern of military security for over three decades now. It was a thing before then, but became a key thing to look at after 1993 when the bomb in the car park at the World Trade Center was detonated inside of a Ryder rental truck. And again in 1995 when another Ryder rental truck was detonated outside the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City.

But it really started a decade before that, when a truck bomb was detonated at the Marine Barracks in Lebanon.

It honestly would not surprise me if within 24 hours a detachment of FAST was assigned there as additional security. As well as at other military installations located in the region. Like Camp Parks, which still has a Navy detachment on board and is co-located with a Federal Prison. Which in the past held such inmates as Squeeky Fromme, Patty Hearst, Michael Milken, and Heidi Fleiss.

 

[Mushroom]

Create lose-lose situations. Coast Guard must act but when they do, the result will be "overreaction by government forces against protesters".

I think they have fooled themselves into a false sense of complacency.

For the past year, they have been "squaring off" against ICE. Which is a Federal Agency, but dedicated to law enforcement. This time, they are trying the same game against US Military Installations, and that is going to go completely different.

The military has been under attack like this for over four decades, and they are not going to respond like ICE does. That have been under the threat and had truck bombs actually used against them, and are aware of the danger and have multiple cases where they actually have been used. Provoking them with tactics like they have been using against ICE is not going to result in what they have been seeing for the last year, it will be drastically different.

As we saw this time. Step over that "Green Line" or inhibit people from crossing it, and they will not just go out and ask them to move. They will make them move, and take down any that refuse.

If these clowns continue to do things like this, they are not going to like the result. They are not going to look at it as "civil disobedience", they are going to consider it a direct threat against their protected asset.

 

[westwall]

I have been to that base many times, and anybody that is thinking that their "normal disruption tactics" are going to work against Federal Military Installations has rocks in their head.

And yes, rental trucks have been going through more than the usual suspicion at military bases for decades. This is absolutely nothing new, this has been the pattern of military security for over three decades now. It was a thing before then, but became a key thing to look at after 1993 when the bomb in the car park at the World Trade Center was detonated inside of a Ryder rental truck. And again in 1995 when another Ryder rental truck was detonated outside the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City.

But it really started a decade before that, when a truck bomb was detonated at the Marine Barracks in Lebanon.

It honestly would not surprise me if within 24 hours a detachment of FAST was assigned there as additional security. As well as at other military installations located in the region. Like Camp Parks, which still has a Navy detachment on board and is co-located with a Federal Prison. Which in the past held such inmates as Squeeky Fromme, Patty Hearst, Michael Milken, and Heidi Fleiss.

Using FAST as mere guards is a tremendous waste of talent.

 

[Mushroom]

Using FAST as mere guards is a tremendous waste of talent.

Not at all, and this is the kind of thing for over thirty years that they have been trained to deal with.

If we still had MCSF Battalion West at Mare Island, I could guarantee that they would already be there.

But they would not be "mere guards".

 

[westwall]

Not at all, and this is the kind of thing for over thirty years that they have been trained to deal with.

If we still had MCSF Battalion West at Mare Island, I could guarantee that they would already be there.

But they would not be "mere guards".

They are probably the best in the business for assaulting high value targets. A good friend of mine was FAST during the 1st Iraq disagreement, and his team was used on several oil platform raids.

But using them against these retards? A waste in my opinion. They will be much better used in the Caribbean against the narco traffickers.

 

[Mushroom]

They are probably the best in the business for assaulting high value targets. A good friend of mine was FAST during the 1st Iraq disagreement, and his team was used on several oil platform raids.

But using them against these retards? A waste in my opinion. They will be much better used in the Caribbean against the narco traffickers.

The main purpose of FAST is reinforcing security at Naval bases. That was why their first operational use was at the Concord Weapons Station.

I'll just say that half of my career in the Marines was involved in exactly this kind of duty. And my final duty station was as Mare Island MCSF Battalion (Pacific).

Great, you "know a guy". Myself, I "was a guy".

And it is not to be to protect against "these retards", but those that would hide behind "these retards". Are you not aware that many who plan attacks attempt to hide behind "useful idiots"?

 

[westwall]

The main purpose of FAST is reinforcing security at Naval bases. That was why their first operational use was at the Concord Weapons Station.

I'll just say that half of my career in the Marines was involved in exactly this kind of duty. And my final duty station was as Mare Island MCSF Battalion (Pacific).

Great, you "know a guy". Myself, I "was a guy".

Yeah, Concord stores nukes. Hence the increased security.

 

[Mushroom]

Yeah, Concord stores nukes. Hence the increased security.

And the part you left off, this:

And it is not to be to protect against "these retards", but those that would hide behind "these retards". Are you not aware that many who plan attacks attempt to hide behind "useful idiots"?

I do not go extensively into my background, but "guarding nukes" was actually my first duty in the Marines. And it does not require "FAST Company" to do that. In fact, it was exactly that experience that saw me tagged to join FAST, along with my experience in the Fleet.

And one thing those of us who actually work in Military Security are aware of is that those who chant their slogans and wave signs are not the actual danger. It is those who hide behind people like that, the "useful idiots" that make a great distraction and cover to hide behind.

The kind of people that groups like the Weather Underground, SLA, ISIS, ANTIFA, and others hide behind. Actual wolves who are hiding behind the sheep and wanting to do more than chant and "protest", but take actual action.

I saw this myself multiple times. When we would get a bunch of idiots chanting just outside the Green Line, and while we were distracted others would be trying to actually break into the base somewhere else. People like that make great cover for "bad actors", as they distract most attention to them and allow openings in other areas to exploit.

Do not forget, this is the kind of thing I actually did for a living for many years. One thing a great many forget is how the Battle of Mogadishu ("Blackhawk Down") started. It started as a civilian protest against UN forces after a rumor spread that they were there to shut down a radio network. Civilians protesting in the streets, where mixed in with them were forces of Mohamed Aidid and Al-Itihaad al-Islamiya. And during those protests they used the cover of the protestors to initiate attacks against UN forces.

Using much less radical protestors as cover to conduct an attack is hardly a new tactic, simply one not seen very often in the US. Those of us who served overseas in the military however are well aware of it, as are the more radical elements in the US that might try to do it themselves.

 

[westwall]

And the part you left off, this:



I do not go extensively into my background, but "guarding nukes" was actually my first duty in the Marines. And it does not require "FAST Company" to do that. In fact, it was exactly that experience that saw me tagged to join FAST, along with my experience in the Fleet.

And one thing those of us who actually work in Military Security are aware of is that those who chant their slogans and wave signs are not the actual danger. It is those who hide behind people like that, the "useful idiots" that make a great distraction and cover to hide behind.

The kind of people that groups like the Weather Underground, SLA, ISIS, ANTIFA, and others hide behind. Actual wolves who are hiding behind the sheep and wanting to do more than chant and "protest", but take actual action.

I saw this myself multiple times. When we would get a bunch of idiots chanting just outside the Green Line, and while we were distracted others would be trying to actually break into the base somewhere else. People like that make great cover for "bad actors", as they distract most attention to them and allow openings in other areas to exploit.

Do not forget, this is the kind of thing I actually did for a living for many years. One thing a great many forget is how the Battle of Mogadishu ("Blackhawk Down") started. It started as a civilian protest against UN forces after a rumor spread that they were there to shut down a radio network. Civilians protesting in the streets, where mixed in with them were forces of Mohamed Aidid and Al-Itihaad al-Islamiya. And during those protests they used the cover of the protestors to initiate attacks against UN forces.

Using much less radical protestors as cover to conduct an attack is hardly a new tactic, simply one not seen very often in the US. Those of us who served overseas in the military however are well aware of it, as are the more radical elements in the US that might try to do it themselves.

Yeah, everything you say is factual. That's why Berkeley PD had the best bomb squad in the bay area. Capt Williams from Alameda Co. SO, who led their bomb squad is also a dear friend.

But there is so little remaining at the Alameda Point facility that positioning FAST there would be a waste.

I think there is still a small reserve Seabee detachment there too.

 

[Mushroom]

Yeah, everything you say is factual. That's why Berkeley PD had the best bomb squad in the bay area. Capt Williams from Alameda Co. SO, who led their bomb squad is also a dear friend.

But there is so little remaining at the Alameda Point facility that positioning FAST there would be a waste.

I think there is still a small reserve Seabee detachment there too.

And as usual, you completely ignore the relevant facts I pointed out and go on a rant.

-sighs-

This is more and more a pattern with you.

Oh, and no. As far as I am aware there are no SeaBees on Alameda. Those in the bay area are all at Camp Parks in Dublin. But many would go to Alameda as the last I heard that was the only "full service" ID card facility in the area. The one at Parks is only open part-time, where as the one at Alameda is open during normal business hours 5 days a week. Parks requires an appointment 1-2 weeks in advance, at Alameda you can just walk in and get a new ID card.

And they might go there for other reasons, as that is the closest to an actual "military base" left in the Bay Area outside of Travis Air Force Base.

 

[westwall]

And as usual, you completely ignore the relevant facts I pointed out and go on a rant.

-sighs-

This is more and more a pattern with you.

Oh, and no. As far as I am aware there are no SeaBees on Alameda. Those in the bay area are all at Camp Parks in Dublin. But many would go to Alameda as the last I heard that was the only "full service" ID card facility in the area. The one at Parks is only open part-time, where as the one at Alameda is open during normal business hours 5 days a week. Parks requires an appointment 1-2 weeks in advance, at Alameda you can just walk in and get a new ID card.

And they might go there for other reasons, as that is the closest to an actual "military base" left in the Bay Area outside of Travis Air Force Base.

What rant? I agreed with everything you said. WTF are you getting pissy about now?

I merely said that there is so little left at Alameda Point, that deploying FAST would be a waste.

How about you address that FACT. Or are you going to avoid that fact too?

And what about MOTCO and Moffet? I thought they were still active?

Your history is you think you know more than anybody else.

You don't.

 

[Mushroom]

I merely said that there is so little left at Alameda Point, that deploying FAST would be a waste.

You obviously do not think people are important. You know, the actual target of such attacks.

Huge shocker here I'm sure. Most terrorists do not attack targets of any real military value. They attack soft targets of political value or symbols. Why in the hell do you think they attacked the World Trade Center twice?

MOTCO? You mean what was formerly NWS Concord? No people there, nothing of any real interest.

Moffett Field? A NASA facility with a few Reserve and National Guard units? Might as well hit Camp Roberts, Camp SLO or Fort Hunter-Liggett.

Last time, where such organizations strike they want it highly visible to increase the amount of fear they will put into others. Unless it is to capture something that might be of use to them. And not one of those locations (or MOTCO or Camp Parks or the others) do anything even close to achieving those goals.

That is why prior targets in the US have been things like the WTC and Federal Buildings. We call them "soft targets". Coast Guard Island however is home to over 1,000 personnel. Plus hundreds more civilians that work there as well as others that use the facilities there. All located on an island with only one way in and out.

Get a team there, blow or take the bridge, and everybody on that island is a target. That is why when I was at MINSY among our contingency plans was securing one or both of the two bridges that allowed access to the base. Either to cut off those trying to enter, or to secure one if the other was taken over or damaged/destroyed.

 

[martybegan]

MSN

Shots were fired by law enforcement officers late Thursday after a driver failed to comply with verbal commands and attempted to back into Coast Guard Base Alameda in California, officials said.

At approximately 10:00 p.m. PST on Thursday, Coast Guard security personnel standing watch on Coast Guard Island observed a vehicle driving erratically and attempting to back into Coast Guard Base Alameda, posing a direct threat to the safety of Coast Guard and security personnel, according to a spokesperson from the United States Coast Guard.

“Coast Guard personnel issued multiple verbal commands to stop the vehicle, the driver failed to comply and proceeded to put the vehicle in reverse,” officials said. “When the vehicle’s actions posed a direct threat to the safety of Coast Guard and security personnel, law enforcement officers discharged several rounds of live fire.”

No Coast Guard personnel were injured in the incident. Additional details on the driver were not immediately available.

Video:

Coast Guard opens fire at U-Haul near Bay Area protest site

At night, what sounded like gunfire rang out as video from KTVU showed Coast Guard members firing at a U-Haul truck as it was rapidly reversing onto federal property. It's unclear if anyone was struc...

www.yahoo.com

Talk about no awareness by the on scene media.

Fox News reported two people were treated at a local hospital for gunshot wounds. I assume they were in the U-Haul but it could have been just another night in Oakland.

You can fit a lot of AMFO Explosive in a U-Haul van.

 

[westwall]

You obviously do not think people are important. You know, the actual target of such attacks.

Huge shocker here I'm sure. Most terrorists do not attack targets of any real military value. They attack soft targets of political value or symbols. Why in the hell do you think they attacked the World Trade Center twice?

MOTCO? You mean what was formerly NWS Concord? No people there, nothing of any real interest.

Moffett Field? A NASA facility with a few Reserve and National Guard units? Might as well hit Camp Roberts, Camp SLO or Fort Hunter-Liggett.

Last time, where such organizations strike they want it highly visible to increase the amount of fear they will put into others. Unless it is to capture something that might be of use to them. And not one of those locations (or MOTCO or Camp Parks or the others) do anything even close to achieving those goals.

That is why prior targets in the US have been things like the WTC and Federal Buildings. We call them "soft targets". Coast Guard Island however is home to over 1,000 personnel. Plus hundreds more civilians that work there as well as others that use the facilities there. All located on an island with only one way in and out.

Get a team there, blow or take the bridge, and everybody on that island is a target. That is why when I was at MINSY among our contingency plans was securing one or both of the two bridges that allowed access to the base. Either to cut off those trying to enter, or to secure one if the other was taken over or damaged/destroyed.

Sooooooo, if they wanted to actually make a statement type attack, downtown Walnut Creek, or that nice area of Concord would probably be better. A whole hell of a lot more people to attack, almost all of whom are unarmed.

Or, you can attack a military base with 1000 people, a lot of whom are armed, and trained to fight. And yes, you can certainly take the bridge, but terrorists in general don't take and hold things because then they get concentrated firepower directed at them. Far better to hit, and move, that way those with the firepower don't know where your next target is, so not exactly a soft target compared to the ones I highlighted. Or am I wrong about that? Can you show me a case where terrorists have actually taken and held something for any period of time?
The closest I can think of is that suicide attack in that hotel in India where the terrorists were on the move till they were cornered and extirminated.

If I'm a terrorist I know where I am going to get my best bang for my buck.

 

[Mushroom]

You can fit a lot of AMFO Explosive in a U-Haul van.

If they did not overload it, the 10' truck they used can carry a ton and a half without being over weight capacity. But the vehicle would still be operational if overloaded by an additional 500-1,000 pounds.

Two to two and a half tons of ANFO would put the blast in the range of that from a GBU-57 MOAB.