Shekels

[Coyote]

Just saw Jeopardy, where they referenced Israeli currency--shekels. It's the same currency they had 2000 years ago. And Hebrew is the same language they spoke in that land 2000 years ago. They also celebrate the same national holidays that Jesus observed 2000 years ago (like Passover and Hanukkah). Can the so-called Palestinians make the same claim? No, which is why they try to destroy every archeological artifact on the Temple Mount.

There's no such people as the "Palestinians." They came from Jordan and other countries.

Perfect example of how to disenfranchise a people. Claim they don’t exist even if they have been there thousands of years.

In fact,they haven't existed as "a people" for thousands of years. They only became "a people" in the middle of the last century.

They have live there for thousands of years. Who are you or anyone else to say what the are or aren’t?

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Just saw Jeopardy, where they referenced Israeli currency--shekels. It's the same currency they had 2000 years ago. And Hebrew is the same language they spoke in that land 2000 years ago. They also celebrate the same national holidays that Jesus observed 2000 years ago (like Passover and Hanukkah). Can the so-called Palestinians make the same claim? No, which is why they try to destroy every archeological artifact on the Temple Mount.

There's no such people as the "Palestinians." They came from Jordan and other countries.

The land and people were referred to as Palestine and Palestinian when it was part of the Ottoman empire in the 1800s. As far as I know there were no Jews there yet.

Are you THAT utterly ignorant? Sheesh.

Nobody that retarded should be allowed to post.

Jewish people have lived there for 3500 years. Where the heck do you think the name "Jerusalem" came from, dunce?

Which is older Judaism or Islam ? And if Jews weren't there before the 1800's. Please Explain why Muslims had to Destroy the Temple that was already on the Temple Mount. Before they could Build their Mosque? Just wondering? You are an idiot !just want to point that out. Not the Temple part, The You're and Idiot part.

Why are you responding to me this way?

Were you incapable of understanding what I said, or did you respond to me thinking I was Crepitus?

 

[toomuchtime_]

There's no such people as the "Palestinians." They came from Jordan and other countries.

The land and people were referred to as Palestine and Palestinian when it was part of the Ottoman empire in the 1800s. As far as I know there were no Jews there yet.

Actually there is a written account of how great an expanse of land the Jews originally owned. You probably have a copy of the book it was written in somewhere in your house, maybe in a closet or a bookshelf. If you don't, you could probably find it in a public library or something.

Unfortunately, that book doesn't have any pictures in it, because they didn't have cameras back then. So I'll post this one...

Biblical Boundaries of the Land of Israel - The Israel Bible

Land rights are not determined by ancient religious

One cannot disenfranchise that which has never been enfranchised.

Sure. You just start out claiming they don’t exist. They aren’t a real people. They did it to the Jews. You do it now to the Palestinians.

A Japanese guy came up with this:

A Japanese View of the Palestinians

"If you are so sure that " Palestine , the country, goes back through most of recorded history," I expect you to be able to answer a few basic questions about that country of Palestine :

1. When was it founded and by whom?
2. What were its borders?
3. What was its capital?
4. What were its major cities?
5. What constituted the basis of its economy?
6. What was its form of government?
7. Can you name at least one Palestinian leader before Arafat?
8. Was Palestine ever recognized by a country whose existence, at that time or now, leaves no room for interpretation?
9. What was the language of the country of Palestine ?
10. What was the prevalent religion of the country of Palestine ?
11. What was the name of its currency? Choose any date in history and tell what was the approximate exchange rate of the Palestinian monetary unit against the US dollar, German mark, GB pound, Japanese yen, or Chinese yuan on that date.
12. And, finally, since there is no such country today, what caused its demise and when did it occur?"

So? A people is not determined by nationhood, a founding or a currency.

It is just an attempt to deny a people their rights to exist. Ironic given those same deniers fight tooth and nail against those who deny the Jews there rights to exhist.

So what makes the Palestinians "a people"? Before Israel was established by the Jews in modern times, they were just people living in a certain area, so what makes them "a people" now?

Sel identification, common culture, every people starts somewhere. Is there a magical date that determines when a peop,e becomes a peop,e?

A distinct common culture would be necessary to identify them as a distinct people, and in terms of culture, they are just generic Arabs, not at all distinct from other Arabs in the region. As for self identification, that only occurred in the middle of the last century, well after the state of Israel was created. They have rights as people, but there is no rational basis in fact or logic for inventing them as "a people".

 

[Coyote]

The land and people were referred to as Palestine and Palestinian when it was part of the Ottoman empire in the 1800s. As far as I know there were no Jews there yet.

Actually there is a written account of how great an expanse of land the Jews originally owned. You probably have a copy of the book it was written in somewhere in your house, maybe in a closet or a bookshelf. If you don't, you could probably find it in a public library or something.

Unfortunately, that book doesn't have any pictures in it, because they didn't have cameras back then. So I'll post this one...

Biblical Boundaries of the Land of Israel - The Israel Bible

Land rights are not determined by ancient religious

Sure. You just start out claiming they don’t exist. They aren’t a real people. They did it to the Jews. You do it now to the Palestinians.

A Japanese guy came up with this:

A Japanese View of the Palestinians

"If you are so sure that " Palestine , the country, goes back through most of recorded history," I expect you to be able to answer a few basic questions about that country of Palestine :

1. When was it founded and by whom?
2. What were its borders?
3. What was its capital?
4. What were its major cities?
5. What constituted the basis of its economy?
6. What was its form of government?
7. Can you name at least one Palestinian leader before Arafat?
8. Was Palestine ever recognized by a country whose existence, at that time or now, leaves no room for interpretation?
9. What was the language of the country of Palestine ?
10. What was the prevalent religion of the country of Palestine ?
11. What was the name of its currency? Choose any date in history and tell what was the approximate exchange rate of the Palestinian monetary unit against the US dollar, German mark, GB pound, Japanese yen, or Chinese yuan on that date.
12. And, finally, since there is no such country today, what caused its demise and when did it occur?"

So? A people is not determined by nationhood, a founding or a currency.

It is just an attempt to deny a people their rights to exist. Ironic given those same deniers fight tooth and nail against those who deny the Jews there rights to exhist.

So what makes the Palestinians "a people"? Before Israel was established by the Jews in modern times, they were just people living in a certain area, so what makes them "a people" now?

Sel identification, common culture, every people starts somewhere. Is there a magical date that determines when a peop,e becomes a peop,e?

A distinct common culture would be necessary to identify them as a distinct people, and in terms of culture, they are just generic Arabs, not at all distinct from other Arabs in the region. As for self identification, that only occurred in the middle of the last century, well after the state of Israel was created. They have rights as people, but there is no rational basis in fact or logic for inventing them as "a people".

There is no magical timeline after which they are not allowed to become a people.

What makes any people unique?

The Palestinians have a shared heritage, customs and culture.

Why is it so important to deny them that?

 

[Shusha]

Many, if not most, self-identify as the same as Jordanians and Syrians.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

In fact,they haven't existed as "a people" for thousands of years. They only became "a people" in the middle of the last century.

And that invention was merely a very cynical and calculated propaganda ploy in order to create the illusion that Jews were the more power group compared to Arabs. Nobody who is either intelligent or honest falls for it.

Unfortunately, the world is filled with stupid, dishonest people, like the Islamist, here, who has been told these facts SCORES of times over the years.

 

[Pogo]

Just saw Jeopardy, where they referenced Israeli currency--shekels. It's the same currency they had 2000 years ago. And Hebrew is the same language they spoke in that land 2000 years ago. They also celebrate the same national holidays that Jesus observed 2000 years ago (like Passover and Hanukkah). Can the so-called Palestinians make the same claim? No, which is why they try to destroy every archeological artifact on the Temple Mount.

Shekels were reinvented when Israel was recreated. Both are modern.

And for the other thing, languages evolve over time, naturally. It may be called Hebrew both now and then but if you could whip up a time machine from one time to the other they'd not likely be mutually intelligible, so it really can't be called "the same language" they spoke then.

 

[Shusha]

What makes any people unique?

Well, I'd argue it would be their uniqueness. You know, the things that set them recognizably apart from other cultures.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

The Palestinians have a shared heritage, customs and culture.

Why is it so important to deny them that?

There is nothing whatsoever that distinguishes them from any other Arab for hundred of miles around, unless you consider their particular penchant for mass murder as a distinguishing trait.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Actually there is a written account of how great an expanse of land the Jews originally owned. You probably have a copy of the book it was written in somewhere in your house, maybe in a closet or a bookshelf. If you don't, you could probably find it in a public library or something.

Unfortunately, that book doesn't have any pictures in it, because they didn't have cameras back then. So I'll post this one...

Biblical Boundaries of the Land of Israel - The Israel Bible

Land rights are not determined by ancient religious

A Japanese guy came up with this:

A Japanese View of the Palestinians

"If you are so sure that " Palestine , the country, goes back through most of recorded history," I expect you to be able to answer a few basic questions about that country of Palestine :

1. When was it founded and by whom?
2. What were its borders?
3. What was its capital?
4. What were its major cities?
5. What constituted the basis of its economy?
6. What was its form of government?
7. Can you name at least one Palestinian leader before Arafat?
8. Was Palestine ever recognized by a country whose existence, at that time or now, leaves no room for interpretation?
9. What was the language of the country of Palestine ?
10. What was the prevalent religion of the country of Palestine ?
11. What was the name of its currency? Choose any date in history and tell what was the approximate exchange rate of the Palestinian monetary unit against the US dollar, German mark, GB pound, Japanese yen, or Chinese yuan on that date.
12. And, finally, since there is no such country today, what caused its demise and when did it occur?"

So? A people is not determined by nationhood, a founding or a currency.

It is just an attempt to deny a people their rights to exist. Ironic given those same deniers fight tooth and nail against those who deny the Jews there rights to exhist.

So what makes the Palestinians "a people"? Before Israel was established by the Jews in modern times, they were just people living in a certain area, so what makes them "a people" now?

Sel identification, common culture, every people starts somewhere. Is there a magical date that determines when a peop,e becomes a peop,e?

A distinct common culture would be necessary to identify them as a distinct people, and in terms of culture, they are just generic Arabs, not at all distinct from other Arabs in the region. As for self identification, that only occurred in the middle of the last century, well after the state of Israel was created. They have rights as people, but there is no rational basis in fact or logic for inventing them as "a people".

There is no magical timeline after which they are not allowed to become a people.

What makes any people unique?

The Palestinians have a shared heritage, customs and culture.

Why is it so important to deny them that?

They have no distinct shared heritage or customs or culture. The Kurds can be recognized as a people because they have a distinct language, distinct music, distinct literature and have been and have been clearly recognized as a distinct people by the peoples around them for thousands of years, but none of this is true of the so called Palestinians. They were invented in the middle of the last century purely for propaganda purposes. During Israel's War of Independence, none of the Arab countries recognized them as a distinct people. They were created only to create a cause against Israel in terms westerners would understand. If Israel had lost the war in 1948, there would be no state of Palestine today because the Arab states would simply have gobbled the land up, just as Jordan did with the UK's blessing. It is legitimate to defend their rights as people, but it is an expression of ignorance and bigotry to claim they are "a people".

 

[Shusha]

Just saw Jeopardy, where they referenced Israeli currency--shekels. It's the same currency they had 2000 years ago. And Hebrew is the same language they spoke in that land 2000 years ago. They also celebrate the same national holidays that Jesus observed 2000 years ago (like Passover and Hanukkah). Can the so-called Palestinians make the same claim? No, which is why they try to destroy every archeological artifact on the Temple Mount.

Shekels were reinvented when Israel was recreated. Both are modern.

And for the other thing, languages evolve over time, naturally. It may be called Hebrew both now and then but if you could whip up a time machine from one time to the other they'd not likely be mutually intelligible, so it really can't be called "the same language" they spoke then.

No, when languages evolve they are still the same language.

 

[Shusha]

I think one can make a case for the Arab Palestinians developing a distinct nationality in the past 70 years or so.

 

[Shusha]

Shekels were reinvented when Israel was recreated. Both are modern.

I find it ironic, you are pointing this out, trying to distance modern Jews from their history and past, in light of your strident comments about recognizing Arab culture and history.

 

[Pogo]

Just saw Jeopardy, where they referenced Israeli currency--shekels. It's the same currency they had 2000 years ago. And Hebrew is the same language they spoke in that land 2000 years ago. They also celebrate the same national holidays that Jesus observed 2000 years ago (like Passover and Hanukkah). Can the so-called Palestinians make the same claim? No, which is why they try to destroy every archeological artifact on the Temple Mount.

Shekels were reinvented when Israel was recreated. Both are modern.

And for the other thing, languages evolve over time, naturally. It may be called Hebrew both now and then but if you could whip up a time machine from one time to the other they'd not likely be mutually intelligible, so it really can't be called "the same language" they spoke then.

No, when languages evolve they are still the same language.

You posted that "the spoke the same language". No language remains static over two thousand years.

Watch this. Or rather, listen to this. Listen to English of one thousand years ago, start at the 3:30 mark to zip right to it.

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That's a natural linguistic evolution, and you're talking about twice that long.

That's for a continuous span of a language though, and in the case of Hebrew it's more complicated:

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[toomuchtime_]

I think one can make a case for the Arab Palestinians developing a distinct nationality in the past 70 years or so.

How so? If we ignore national boundaries, how are they distinct from the Arabs around them?

 

[Shusha]

Just saw Jeopardy, where they referenced Israeli currency--shekels. It's the same currency they had 2000 years ago. And Hebrew is the same language they spoke in that land 2000 years ago. They also celebrate the same national holidays that Jesus observed 2000 years ago (like Passover and Hanukkah). Can the so-called Palestinians make the same claim? No, which is why they try to destroy every archeological artifact on the Temple Mount.

Shekels were reinvented when Israel was recreated. Both are modern.

And for the other thing, languages evolve over time, naturally. It may be called Hebrew both now and then but if you could whip up a time machine from one time to the other they'd not likely be mutually intelligible, so it really can't be called "the same language" they spoke then.

No, when languages evolve they are still the same language.

You posted that "the spoke the same language". No language remains static over two thousand years.

Watch this. Or rather, listen to this. Listen to English of one thousand years ago, start at the 3:30 mark to zip right to it.

​

That's a natural linguistic evolution, and you're talking about twice that long.

Um. So the language spoken 1000 years ago wasn't English? What was it then?

 

[Shusha]

I think one can make a case for the Arab Palestinians developing a distinct nationality in the past 70 years or so.

How so? If we ignore national boundaries, how are they distinct from the Arabs around them?

They are not. Except *possibly* in their national aspirations. The only way to argue it would be self-identification. If they self-identify as distinct from say, Jordan, and were able to develop a national character around that self-identification, then, yeah, I'd say you can make a case for it.

That said, have they? How would you measure if they have or have not?

 

[Pogo]

Just saw Jeopardy, where they referenced Israeli currency--shekels. It's the same currency they had 2000 years ago. And Hebrew is the same language they spoke in that land 2000 years ago. They also celebrate the same national holidays that Jesus observed 2000 years ago (like Passover and Hanukkah). Can the so-called Palestinians make the same claim? No, which is why they try to destroy every archeological artifact on the Temple Mount.

Shekels were reinvented when Israel was recreated. Both are modern.

And for the other thing, languages evolve over time, naturally. It may be called Hebrew both now and then but if you could whip up a time machine from one time to the other they'd not likely be mutually intelligible, so it really can't be called "the same language" they spoke then.

No, when languages evolve they are still the same language.

You posted that "the spoke the same language". No language remains static over two thousand years.

Watch this. Or rather, listen to this. Listen to English of one thousand years ago, start at the 3:30 mark to zip right to it.

​

That's a natural linguistic evolution, and you're talking about twice that long.

Um. So the language spoken 1000 years ago wasn't English? What was it then?

That (the Beowulf bit) would be "Old English" and the Chaucer bit would be "Middle English".
The point is the further back you go, the less mutually intelligible they are.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Just saw Jeopardy, where they referenced Israeli currency--shekels. It's the same currency they had 2000 years ago. And Hebrew is the same language they spoke in that land 2000 years ago. They also celebrate the same national holidays that Jesus observed 2000 years ago (like Passover and Hanukkah). Can the so-called Palestinians make the same claim? No, which is why they try to destroy every archeological artifact on the Temple Mount.

There's no such people as the "Palestinians." They came from Jordan and other countries.

Perfect example of how to disenfranchise a people. Claim they don’t exist even if they have been there thousands of years.

One cannot disenfranchise that which has never been enfranchised.

Sure. You just start out claiming they don’t exist. They aren’t a real people. They did it to the Jews. You do it now to the Palestinians.

Please detail the process and date of the creation of the "nation of Palestine" and the designation of "Palestinians" as a recognized nationality in connection with such a sovereign state.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Just saw Jeopardy, where they referenced Israeli currency--shekels. It's the same currency they had 2000 years ago. And Hebrew is the same language they spoke in that land 2000 years ago. They also celebrate the same national holidays that Jesus observed 2000 years ago (like Passover and Hanukkah). Can the so-called Palestinians make the same claim? No, which is why they try to destroy every archeological artifact on the Temple Mount.

There's no such people as the "Palestinians." They came from Jordan and other countries.

The land and people were referred to as Palestine and Palestinian when it was part of the Ottoman empire in the 1800s. As far as I know there were no Jews there yet.

Actually there is a written account of how great an expanse of land the Jews originally owned. You probably have a copy of the book it was written in somewhere in your house, maybe in a closet or a bookshelf. If you don't, you could probably find it in a public library or something.

Unfortunately, that book doesn't have any pictures in it, because they didn't have cameras back then. So I'll post this one...

Biblical Boundaries of the Land of Israel - The Israel Bible

Land rights are not determined by ancient religious

There's no such people as the "Palestinians." They came from Jordan and other countries.

Perfect example of how to disenfranchise a people. Claim they don’t exist even if they have been there thousands of years.

One cannot disenfranchise that which has never been enfranchised.

Sure. You just start out claiming they don’t exist. They aren’t a real people. They did it to the Jews. You do it now to the Palestinians.

A Japanese guy came up with this:

A Japanese View of the Palestinians

"If you are so sure that " Palestine , the country, goes back through most of recorded history," I expect you to be able to answer a few basic questions about that country of Palestine :

1. When was it founded and by whom?
2. What were its borders?
3. What was its capital?
4. What were its major cities?
5. What constituted the basis of its economy?
6. What was its form of government?
7. Can you name at least one Palestinian leader before Arafat?
8. Was Palestine ever recognized by a country whose existence, at that time or now, leaves no room for interpretation?
9. What was the language of the country of Palestine ?
10. What was the prevalent religion of the country of Palestine ?
11. What was the name of its currency? Choose any date in history and tell what was the approximate exchange rate of the Palestinian monetary unit against the US dollar, German mark, GB pound, Japanese yen, or Chinese yuan on that date.
12. And, finally, since there is no such country today, what caused its demise and when did it occur?"

So? A people is not determined by nationhood, a founding or a currency.

By what are they defined, then?