bendog
Diamond Member
Lincoln and emacipation and suffrage. It's old.
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The problem Arthur is that logically there's no way to dispute the northern non slave owner chose to count black men as 3/5 human, and there is no dispute they agreed to do that for time ever lasting. Their nation did not, and never would, give up slavery. There was no plan, or way to even guess, abolition would win out. The South had nearly all the presidents and political power through the first generation. Was there some divine plan that Calif would be a state? Jefferson wasn't president for 12 years. Andrew Jackson wasn't contemplating abolition when he stole the Native American lands for westward expansion.
In the end it took a civil war, and the Founders did not put that in the const. There was no "necessary evil" because no one considered it a necessity. We could have just kept slavery.
The thesis of 1619 would be right that the Northerners NEVER fought to free slaves. Lincoln clearly said he'd let the south keep the slaves. He disapproved of slavery, but he had to evolve to accept the federal govt forcing emancipation and granting suffrage to blacks.
It's true we ultimately allowed blacks to vote, but you might notice the gop is suppressing that it Ohio and Fla today. And the thesis of 1619 would be right if it was that a majority of whites will keep doing that if it's in their interests so long as it's legal.
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The problem Arthur is that logically there's no way to dispute the northern non slave owner chose to count black men as 3/5 human, and there is no dispute they agreed to do that for time ever lasting. Their nation did not, and never would, give up slavery. There was no plan, or way to even guess, abolition would win out. The South had nearly all the presidents and political power through the first generation. Was there some divine plan that Calif would be a state? Jefferson wasn't president for 12 years. Andrew Jackson wasn't contemplating abolition when he stole the Native American lands for westward expansion.
In the end it took a civil war, and the Founders did not put that in the const. There was no "necessary evil" because no one considered it a necessity. We could have just kept slavery.
The thesis of 1619 would be right that the Northerners NEVER fought to free slaves. Lincoln clearly said he'd let the south keep the slaves. He disapproved of slavery, but he had to evolve to accept the federal govt forcing emancipation and granting suffrage to blacks.
It's true we ultimately allowed blacks to vote, but you might notice the gop is suppressing that it Ohio and Fla today. And the thesis of 1619 would be right if it was that a majority of whites will keep doing that if it's in their interests so long as it's legal.