The solution is simple, and obvious to me. Just issue vouchers. Issue every child a school voucher. Then if vo-tech is the way to go, or trade-skill is the way to go, then they can take that voucher to the whatever school they want. Their parents can make up whatever difference.
You act like people don't know how to do this... what are you smoking?
When I worked at Columbus Cadillac in down town Columbus Ohio, we had a guy work the car wash, who used his money to get trained in welding. He's now a master welder for a big name company. He's doing just fine.
Come on people.... Work... earn money... pay for education. You don't need a Ph.D in self improvement to do this.
This couple came here from Laos, got training in CNC machining, while working crappy jobs in fast food joints. Now they make $100K together.
This isn't super hard. You just have to do it. It takes time, effort, and attitude. You have an entitlement belief system, and you'll never make it anywhere. People who think they should be given stuff because "I'm an American, and I deserve everything because Sanders said I was entitled to it......" and you are going to end up a train wreck.
The voucher program is a rip off. I'm over every little jack off coming along to rip off the public education system---which is, I remind you, for the public.
The mantra is that you can send your kids to a private school like the rich people.
Then they give you a voucher that wouldn't buy lunch in a real private school.
Here's the problem....
You are looking at a system that has eliminated the market for low-end private schools.
This is common in any market with government involvement.
For example, the cost of private health insurance in the UK, is extremely high. Why? Because there is no market for low-end insurance. The poor and middle class, sit in line at the public health clinics for free. Why buy insurance?
So only the rich buy health insurance, and of course the rich want the highest possible care, which is a high price. So only high priced insurance exists.
For example, in New York in the 70s, only high end luxury apartments were for rent. Same happened in Israel. Why? Because subsidized low-cost apartments killed the market. Why build low cost apartments, when the government would undercut your price for a better quality apartment? So instead, only luxury apartments were built and offered for rent.
When government offers the low end at a subsidized price, no one is going to pay for a low end.
James Tooley on Private Schools for the Poor and the Beautiful Tree | EconTalk | Library of Economics and Liberty
So this guy James Tooley, professor of education at Harvard, was walking around in India, in the poorest slums of India, and discovered a private pay-for-service, Capitalist based school for the poor. Entirely private, no government money involved.
Then he found another, and another and entire networks of private, poor-service pay-for-service private schools.
When there is a market, then someone will serve that market. But there has to be a market. In India, there is a market.
Same with Chile. Chile has a private pay-for-service school system. And while there are of course high-end expensive elite schools, there are also low-end cheap schools that serve the lowest income people of Chile.
So here is my response to you...... I think this is a win for you and a win for everyone else.
Allow Vouchers. Every Student get's a voucher. Allow unregulated education. Anyone can open a school.
Allow the public to choose where, and who, gets their money.
If you are right, and there is no one able to pay for a private school with the voucher, then they end up at the public schools as they would anyway, without the voucher.
What have you lost? Nothing. You are back in the same schools you'd be stuck in, under the current system.
However, if there is a private school that you want to send your kids to, and you might be able to send your kids there by adding some of your own money to the voucher, why not? Called "choice". Right? No big deal.
And then possibly in the future when there is a market for low-cost education, there will be people to fill that need. But you can't have the government eliminate the market, and then be shocked no one serves that market. Does that make sense?
Do you know what is lovely about economics? It's all theory. Every single bit of it. It's the softest science there is. Right now you have a lot of people on the Right who reflexively scream socialist and that fits you just fine and it fits the Democrats just fine too. They might have to answer for Obama, Arne Duncan, and Rahm Emanuel and a host of others. Keep the eye on the other team is the motto. They haven't been told how to respond yet. I have perfect faith that the public will see that what this amounts to is at best burglary and at worst robbery and they won't give a damn which team anyone is on.
Vouchers on the Move: Return to School Segregation?
Voucher program failure in Arizona.
Arizona’s Magic Private School Tax Credits Don’t Work
Nothing in DC or Wisconsin:
Not even Wolf’s evaluations have shown any test score advantage for students who get vouchers, whether in DC or Milwaukee. This is the
DC final-year evaluation. The main finding of the final-year evaluation: “There is no conclusive evidence that the OSP [Opportunity Scholarship Program] affected student achievement.” Remember that boosters for vouchers seldom use the V word; they prefer the euphemism “opportunity scholarship.” The family gets an “opportunity” to take their child from a public school, where he or she has low test scores, to a private or religious school, where he or she will also have low test scores.
The Wolf evaluations claim an advantage for voucher students in graduation rates. But consider this. In Milwaukee,
according to this analysis (see the
summary here) of Wolf’s evaluation, 75% of the students who started in a voucher school left before graduation. So of the 25% who persisted, the graduation rate was higher than the Milwaukee public schools. But what about the 75% who dropped out and/or returned to MPS? No one knows.
The Milwaukee voucher schools have never outperformed the public schools on state tests: See
here and
here. The
only dispute about test scores is whether voucher students are doing the same or worse than their peers in public schools.
Vouchers Don't Work: Evidence from Milwaukee
Louisiana:
In New Orleans, voucher students who struggle academically haven’t advanced to grade-level work any faster over the past two years than students in the public schools, many of which are rated D or F, state data show.
And across Louisiana, many of the most popular private schools for voucher students posted miserable scores in math, reading, science and social studies this spring, with fewer than half their voucher students achieving even basic proficiency and fewer than 2 percent demonstrating mastery. Seven schools did so badly, state Superintendent John White barred them from accepting new voucher students — though the state agreed to keep paying tuition for the more than 200 voucher students already enrolled, if they chose to stay.
Read more:
Vouchers don't do much for students
And lovely Ohio:
Nine of the 17 schools that closed in 2013 lasted only a few months this past fall. When they closed, more than 250 students had to find new schools. The state spent more than $1.6 million in taxpayer money to keep the nine schools open only from August through October or November.
But while 2013 was unusual, closings are not rare. A
Dispatch analysis of state data found that 29 percent of Ohio’s charter schools have shut, dating to 1997 when the publicly funded but often privately run schools became legal in Ohio. Nearly 400 currently are operating, about 75 of them in Columbus.
It took 15 years for Ohio’s list of closed charters to reach 134; then that number grew by almost 13 percent last year from
charters closing in Columbus alone.
Columbus has 17 charter school failures in one year
The report, titled “The Tip of the Iceberg: Charter School Vulnerabilities To Waste, Fraud, And Abuse,” was released jointly by the nonprofit organizations
Alliance to Reclaim Our Schools and the
Center for Popular Democracy. It follows a similar report released a year ago by the same groups that detailed $136 million in fraud and waste and mismanagement in 15 of the 42 states that operate charter schools. The 2015 report cites $203 million, including the 2014 total plus $23 million in new cases, and $44 million in earlier cases not included in last year’s report.
It notes that these figures only represent fraud and waste in the charter sector uncovered so far, and that the total that federal, state and local governments “stand to lose” in 2015 is probably more than $1.4 billion. It says, “The vast majority of the fraud perpetrated by charter officials will go undetected because the federal government, the states, and local charter authorizers lack the oversight necessary to detect the fraud.”
Report: Millions of dollars in fraud, waste found in charter school sector
You can read that actual report here:
http://populardemocracy.org/sites/default/files/Charter-Schools-National-Report_rev2.pdf
You may find this report interesting as well:
CMD Publishes Full List of 2,500 Closed Charter Schools (with Interactive Map)
It's not just a failure in the US. It's a failure in Chile. The Chicago Boys should have been put down. It's been such a failure that Chile has been forced to make changes.
Neoliberal education and student movements in Chile: Inequalities and malaise | Cristian Cabalin - Academia.edu
Vallas' reforms in Chile lead to major protests - Substance News
