Russian drone breaches Romanian airspace

[JimH52]

Russian drone breaches Romanian airspace in second NATO incursion this week, as Zelensky calls it an ‘expansion of the war’

One of Vladimir Putin’s drones breached Romania’s airspace during a Russian attack on Ukraine Saturday — the second incursion of NATO country skies this week in what’s being…

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One of Vladimir Putin’s drones breached Romania’s airspace during a Russian attack on Ukraine Saturday — the second incursion of NATO country skies this week in what’s being called an escalation of the war.

Is trump gonna call this another mistake. Is there anything that Putin can do to make trump actually DO SOMETHING? Putin knows trump will let him do whatever he wants in Europe.

 

[Meister]

I'm curious Jim, what do you think Trump should do with this issue?

 

[Rogue AI]

The US has no place in Europe, let them figure out their own problems.

 

[Zebra]

Russian drone breaches Romanian airspace in second NATO incursion this week, as Zelensky calls it an ‘expansion of the war’

One of Vladimir Putin’s drones breached Romania’s airspace during a Russian attack on Ukraine Saturday — the second incursion of NATO country skies this week in what’s being…

nypost.com

One of Vladimir Putin’s drones breached Romania’s airspace during a Russian attack on Ukraine Saturday — the second incursion of NATO country skies this week in what’s being called an escalation of the war.

Is trump gonna call this another mistake. Is there anything that Putin can do to make trump actually DO SOMETHING? Putin knows trump will let him do whatever he wants in Europe.

and now in Denmark also

 

[JimH52]

and now in Denmark also

trump says to shoot them down...so do it. Then trump supports Poootin's war.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Russian drone breaches Romanian airspace in second NATO incursion this week, as Zelensky calls it an ‘expansion of the war’

One of Vladimir Putin’s drones breached Romania’s airspace during a Russian attack on Ukraine Saturday — the second incursion of NATO country skies this week in what’s being…

nypost.com

One of Vladimir Putin’s drones breached Romania’s airspace during a Russian attack on Ukraine Saturday — the second incursion of NATO country skies this week in what’s being called an escalation of the war.

Is trump gonna call this another mistake. Is there anything that Putin can do to make trump actually DO SOMETHING? Putin knows trump will let him do whatever he wants in Europe.

Putin is testing to see what he can get away with. And he seems to be getting away with a lot.

 

[drudge X]

Putin is testing to see what he can get away with. And he seems to be getting away with a lot.

Because Europe continues to fund this war by purchasing Putin oil while China is dumping shit loads of goods flooding the European market. Guess orange man ain't so bad to them now.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Because Europe continues to fund this war by purchasing Putin oil while China is dumping shit loads of goods flooding the European market. Guess orange man ain't so bad to them now.

Well, Europe needs to get oil and gas from somewhere, and clearly the US isn't helping to stop this, is it?

 

[TemplarKormac]

I'm curious Jim, what do you think Trump should do with this issue?

I'm guessing he wants the US to strike Russia. You know, two nuclear powers going at it.

Smart.

 

[drudge X]

Well, Europe needs to get oil and gas from somewhere, and clearly the US isn't helping to stop this, is it?

Two world wars started out of Europe. You'd figure they have the mental processing power to prevent a third. When Trump told them spend more for defense, they brushed him aside.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Two world wars started out of Europe. You'd figure they have the mental processing power to prevent a third. When Trump told them spend more for defense, they brushed him aside.

Problem is that Europe is spending most of its military spending on its military and its military is at home.

The US is spending massive amounts of its military spending on things that don't really count as NATO spending.

 

[drudge X]

Problem is that Europe is spending most of its military spending on its military and its military is at home.

The US is spending massive amounts of its military spending on things that don't really count as NATO spending.

US pays the most into NATO. US spends a lot because this country has lots of national interest around the world. Also, the US at times are called upon as the world's police. We can pack up and leave S. Korea and Japan but do you want to leave Russia, China, and N. Korea unchecked?

 

[frigidweirdo]

US pays the most into NATO. US spends a lot because this country has lots of national interest around the world. Also, the US at times are called upon as the world's police. We can pack up and leave S. Korea and Japan but do you want to leave Russia, China, and N. Korea unchecked?

No, it doesn't.

Have you spend any time looking at it, or do you just listen to what Trump says?

 

[JimH52]

I'm curious Jim, what do you think Trump should do with this issue?

He tells Europe to shoot Russian jets down. His dementia is worsening and your worship of him is nauseating.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

He tells Europe to shoot Russian jets down. His dementia is worsening and your worship of him is nauseating.

He also said Ukraine can get back all of the Russian occupied territories

25th Amendment time

 

[drudge X]

No, it doesn't.

Have you spend any time looking at it, or do you just listen to what Trump says?

Who pays the load for NATO if not US? Perhaps you should stop listening to Eurocrats and Democrats and of course, CNN.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Who pays the load for NATO if not US? Perhaps you should stop listening to Eurocrats and Democrats and of course, CNN.

Did you do any research? No, you didn't.

There are two different things.

1) How much each country pays for NATO directly
2) How much each country sends on defense.

The former, the US doesn't spend much. Germany pays twice as much, and is 4 times smaller. This figure nobody really cares about.

The latter is just a figure of how much a country's defense budget is.

But this figure barely tells the story.

Italy to reclassify 3.6km £11bn Sicily bridge as defence spending to meet Nato objectives | New Civil Engineer

Last week, Nato members agreed to spend 3.5% of GDP on core military capabilities by 2035 with an added 1.5% allocated to strategic resilience, including

www.newcivilengineer.com

For example: "Italy to reclassify 3.6km £11bn Sicily bridge as defence spending to meet Nato objectives"
So, you can put anything through as "defense spending".

For example, former soldiers with health problems in the UK got through the NHS, it's health spending. The US spent $10 billion on Medicare-eligible retiree health fund contribution (MERHFC) as defense spending.

RDT&E is $100 billion. The US makes a lot of money by selling military equipment, this does not reduce the defense budget. That was $118 billion, so the US made $18 billion but passed of the expenditure as military spending.

Technical Difficulties

Then you have the cost of military spending outside of NATO. For example troops in Japan and South Korea have nothing to do with NATO. Those countries aren't in NATO.

Space is $22 billion, classified (which could be anything from massages for the President to free dog poop for squirrels in military uniform, to CIA etc) is $44 billion.

Take out all the stuff that isn't really NATO and what does the US have left?

Most EU countries do not go around the world warring, or putting troops in places. Their forces are there ONLY to protect their country or used for NATO. The US is totally different.

 

[drudge X]

Did you do any research? No, you didn't.

There are two different things.

1) How much each country pays for NATO directly
2) How much each country sends on defense.

The former, the US doesn't spend much. Germany pays twice as much, and is 4 times smaller. This figure nobody really cares about.

The latter is just a figure of how much a country's defense budget is.

But this figure barely tells the story.

Italy to reclassify 3.6km £11bn Sicily bridge as defence spending to meet Nato objectives | New Civil Engineer

Last week, Nato members agreed to spend 3.5% of GDP on core military capabilities by 2035 with an added 1.5% allocated to strategic resilience, including

www.newcivilengineer.com

For example: "Italy to reclassify 3.6km £11bn Sicily bridge as defence spending to meet Nato objectives"
So, you can put anything through as "defense spending".

For example, former soldiers with health problems in the UK got through the NHS, it's health spending. The US spent $10 billion on Medicare-eligible retiree health fund contribution (MERHFC) as defense spending.

RDT&E is $100 billion. The US makes a lot of money by selling military equipment, this does not reduce the defense budget. That was $118 billion, so the US made $18 billion but passed of the expenditure as military spending.

Technical Difficulties

Then you have the cost of military spending outside of NATO. For example troops in Japan and South Korea have nothing to do with NATO. Those countries aren't in NATO.

Space is $22 billion, classified (which could be anything from massages for the President to free dog poop for squirrels in military uniform, to CIA etc) is $44 billion.

Take out all the stuff that isn't really NATO and what does the US have left?

Most EU countries do not go around the world warring, or putting troops in places. Their forces are there ONLY to protect their country or used for NATO. The US is totally different.

Nice numbers but defense spending is not based on percentage, spending proportion to the population, nor country size when Putin is menacing Europe. Real dollars buy weapons, provide training, and logistics. Whether Germany is 4 times smaller is irrelevant. This is their own backyard, not the US. Germany can ***** about the amount the country pays for NATO membership because of its size or population, but end of day, I don't think Putin cares. No one is saying Germany must spend 10% of the country's GDP on defense. Trump has saying all along to increase spending for NATO. What did NATO members do? They brushed him aside. Looks like trump has the last laugh.

Troops in S. Korea and Japan are for US national interest. I could say it's for global interest since $5 trillion worth of goods go through the S,. China Sea annually. I never said anything about the spending to place troops in those countries have to do with NATO.

Most EU countries don't spend much because they know the dumbass sucker, the US that is, will come to the rescue. You wanna know what UK, France, and Germany will do if US withdraws from NATO? Yeah, they will increase defense spending. You know, the money they claimed they don't have when US is still a member. Also, remember who carried the load when NATO was bombing the former Yugoslavia? If your answer is US and UK, correct. You know who will carry the load if a major crisis breaks out say in the Middle East? Same answer as previous.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Nice numbers but defense spending is not based on percentage, spending proportion to the population, nor country size when Putin is menacing Europe. Real dollars buy weapons, provide training, and logistics. Whether Germany is 4 times smaller is irrelevant. This is their own backyard, not the US. Germany can ***** about the amount the country pays for NATO membership because of its size or population, but end of day, I don't think Putin cares. No one is saying Germany must spend 10% of the country's GDP on defense. Trump has saying all along to increase spending for NATO. What did NATO members do? They brushed him aside. Looks like trump has the last laugh.

Troops in S. Korea and Japan are for US national interest. I could say it's for global interest since $5 trillion worth of goods go through the S,. China Sea annually. I never said anything about the spending to place troops in those countries have to do with NATO.

Most EU countries don't spend much because they know the dumbass sucker, the US that is, will come to the rescue. You wanna know what UK, France, and Germany will do if US withdraws from NATO? Yeah, they will increase defense spending. You know, the money they claimed they don't have when US is still a member. Also, remember who carried the load when NATO was bombing the former Yugoslavia? If your answer is US and UK, correct. You know who will carry the load if a major crisis breaks out say in the Middle East? Same answer as previous.

Oh come on, Trump has been going on about the percentage that countries spend on NATO, it's what everyone talks about.

So now we just completely change the topic of conversation because....? Who knows?

In 2014 when Putin annexed the Crimea, NATO members decided to increase their spending within 10 years.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_49198.htm

"in 2014, NATO Heads of State and Government had agreed to commit 2% of their national GDP to defence spending"

"In 2025, all Allies are expected to meet or exceed the pre-summit target of investing at least 2% of GDP in defence, compared to only three Allies in 2014."

Trump decided that other NATO members increasing their spending was because of him, and him only. Ridiculous. But typically Trump.

President Trump’s Leadership, Vision Drives NATO Breakthrough

In a defining moment for global security, President Donald J. Trump achieved a monumental victory for the United States and its allies, brokering an

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"President Trump’s Leadership, Vision Drives NATO Breakthrough"

Trump is again claiming credit for other NATO countries saying they'll spend 5%, but again, nothing to do with Trump.

NATO defence expenditure | Defence Contracts International

The North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) is made up of 29 member countries and sets a guideline for its members to spend at least 2% of national GDP on defence annually. Learn more about NATO spend below. United States Given that the US accounted for some 69% of the total NATO in 2018, its...

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"President Trump has been keen to apply pressure on the rest of NATO members not only to hit the 2% spend guideline but to actually aspire to spending up to 4% of their GDP on defence."

This was from 2020, Trump wanted them to hit 4%, though at times his number change by the hour.

Well, troops in South Korea and Japan are for US INTERNATIONAL interest. They have nothing to do with NATO.

No, EU countries didn't spend much because they'd created a place where war didn't happen. With the exception of Serbia going mental in the 1990s, war didn't happen in Europe. Then Putin did what he did in 2014 and people decided to rethink what was happening.

The EU as a unit, could probably defeat almost any armed forces, or keep them at bay. China and the US are the only two who would stand a chance, and neither of those was a threat.

 

[Meister]

He tells Europe to shoot Russian jets down. His dementia is worsening and your worship of him is nauseating.

Trump doesn't have dementia, so stop with that yarn.

JimH52