Russia/Ukraine: Progress but there's no deal until there's a deal

[Foxfyre]

So some progress was made in yesterday's Summit between Trump and Putin. But as President Trump put it, there is no deal until there's a deal. And so far, they're closer to a deal but no deal.

President Trump again asserted there would have been no invasion if he had been President. It was Biden's weakness that triggered it. Amazingly, Putin agreed with that in the press conference.

The next step is for President Trump to reach out to Zelensky, NATO et al. He expressed and Putin agreed that they were agreeing on most points, but there were still some sticking points that needed to be resolved. And those will have to be resolved with those others.

Perhaps in a carrot and stick move, the two talked about economic concerns for both countries. Certainly a deal will include trade deals once a deal is made.

The meeting was amicable as it had to be in order for any progress to be made. Trump acknowledged that he would get some blow back--can we say a total leftist meldown?--when the next meeting between the two will be in Moscow.

Putin was extremely soft spoken during the press conference and President Trump uncharacteristically kept it short--roughly three minutes--and took no questions which was really unusual for him. Obviously the negotiations are at an extremely sensitive and fragile stage and both are playing the cards close to their chests until they can move to the next steps in the process.

4 Takeaways From Trump-Putin Summit in Alaska

Putin agrees with Trump's longtime assertion that the Russia-Ukraine war wouldn't have happened under a Trump presidency.

www.dailysignal.com

 

[initforme]

I hope president trump is successful in arriving at peace. Not sure what will happen but the door is open. Not sure if either side in this skirmish is going to give much.

 

[Foxfyre]

I hope president trump is successful in arriving at peace. Not sure what will happen but the door is open. Not sure if either side in this skirmish is going to give much.

In any successful deal, pretty much nobody gets everything they wanted but all sides get enough to agree to the deal.

So we'll see how it goes. I am now extremely curious as President Trump is being very uncharacteristically careful about what he says at this point. That alone suggests to me that some progress and good came out of that meeting and hopefully they'll continue until they can both agree on the deal.

 

[initforme]

In any successful deal, pretty much nobody gets everything they wanted but all sides get enough to agree to the deal.

So we'll see how it goes. I am now extremely curious as President Trump is being very uncharacteristically careful about what he says at this point. That alone suggests to me that some progress and good came out of that meeting and hopefully they'll continue until they can both agree on the deal.

I dont see why ukraine would have to give up much more than agreeing to stop the war. Its akin to someo e breaking into your house, stealing everything, and you agree to let them keep some of it?

 

[konradv]

So some progress was made in yesterday's Summit between Trump and Putin. But as President Trump put it, there is no deal until there's a deal. And so far, they're closer to a deal but no deal.

President Trump again asserted there would have been no invasion if he had been President. It was Biden's weakness that triggered it. Amazingly, Putin agreed with that in the press conference.

The next step is for President Trump to reach out to Zelensky, NATO et al. He expressed and Putin agreed that they were agreeing on most points, but there were still some sticking points that needed to be resolved. And those will have to be resolved with those others.

Perhaps in a carrot and stick move, the two talked about economic concerns for both countries. Certainly a deal will include trade deals once a deal is made.

The meeting was amicable as it had to be in order for any progress to be made. Trump acknowledged that he would get some blow back--can we say a total leftist meldown?--when the next meeting between the two will be in Moscow.

Putin was extremely soft spoken during the press conference and President Trump uncharacteristically kept it short--roughly three minutes--and took no questions which was really unusual for him. Obviously the negotiations are at an extremely sensitive and fragile stage and both are playing the cards close to their chests until they can move to the next steps in the process.

4 Takeaways From Trump-Putin Summit in Alaska

Putin agrees with Trump's longtime assertion that the Russia-Ukraine war wouldn't have happened under a Trump presidency.

www.dailysignal.com

Of course Putin agreed. Abusers always blame the victim, i.e. look what you made me do.

 

[1srelluc]

I dont see why ukraine would have to give up much more than agreeing to stop the war. Its akin to someo e breaking into your house, stealing everything, and you agree to let them keep some of it?

That is sorta what happens here given the "justice" system these days....Especially for the protected classes.

 

[Rocko]

False no progress was msde

 

[Foxfyre]

I dont see why ukraine would have to give up much more than agreeing to stop the war. Its akin to someo e breaking into your house, stealing everything, and you agree to let them keep some of it?

Then again Russia calls it a national security issue--for the Ukraine to join NATO is characterized as an unacceptable threat to Russia.

At this point there will have to be some give and take on both sides. Maybe it will be enough for NATO to agree that the Ukraine will not be in NATO or something like that or some, mostly Russian people, territories will be conceded. I don't know and neither Putin nor Trump are talking publicly at this point.

We'll see how it goes.

 

[luiza]

So some progress was made in yesterday's Summit between Trump and Putin.

What progress ?
Identify?

Imho ,It was Ukey Theatre with the real Agenda undeclared and probably about the US /Tel Aviv /Chabad , Greater Israel Suicide Plan and updating Nuclear Weapons treaties .

There is nothing to discuss about Ukraine other than dear Uncle P letting Trumpfy know how much more territory Russia will take .

I would love to know whether 3I/ATLAS was discussed , and the possibility of creating a "Golden Dome" that covers at least the US and Russia .
And if so , why a joint venture ?
And what is not being disclosed ?

Try thinking that through .

 

[Foxfyre]

That is sorta what happens here given the "justice" system these days....Especially for the protected classes.

There is more at stake though than just Putin wanting to take over the Ukraine again. (The Ukraine was part of Russia until 1991.) While Trump is not agreeing that should happen, he does concede that Russia has some valid concerns/grievances that must be acknowledged and addressed in order to get a deal all can live with.

 

[Foxfyre]

What progress ?
Identify?

Imho ,It was Ukey Theatre with the real Agenda undeclared and probably about the US /Tel Aviv /Chabad , Greater Israel Suicide Plan and updating Nuclear Weapons treaties .

There is nothing to discuss about Ukraine other than dear Uncle P letting Trumpfy know how much more territory Russia will take .

I would love to know whether 3I/ATLAS was discussed , and the possibility of creating a "Golden Dome" that covers at least the US and Russia .
And if so , why a joint venture ?
And what is not being disclosed ?

Try thinking that through .

You must not have read the OP at all. But have a lovely day.

 

[citygator]

The invading mass killer says he prefers to kill on Trump’s watch more than he did on Biden’s. lol. The fact you buffoons think a Putin compliment and dig are valuable tells me all I need to know about you traitors.

I just wish Bush wasnt president for 9/11. If a democrat was in the White House 3,200 people would still be alive.

If Hilary were elected Covid never would have shut down the US.

 

[Lesh]

There is more at stake though than just Putin wanting to take over the Ukraine again. (The Ukraine was part of Russia until 1991.) While Trump is not agreeing that should happen, he does concede that Russia has some valid concerns/grievances that must be acknowledged and addressed in order to get a deal all can live with.

Germany had more claim to Poland than Russia does to Ukraine

 

[Crepitus]

So some progress was made in yesterday's Summit between Trump and Putin. But as President Trump put it, there is no deal until there's a deal. And so far, they're closer to a deal but no deal.

President Trump again asserted there would have been no invasion if he had been President. It was Biden's weakness that triggered it. Amazingly, Putin agreed with that in the press conference.

The next step is for President Trump to reach out to Zelensky, NATO et al. He expressed and Putin agreed that they were agreeing on most points, but there were still some sticking points that needed to be resolved. And those will have to be resolved with those others.

Perhaps in a carrot and stick move, the two talked about economic concerns for both countries. Certainly a deal will include trade deals once a deal is made.

The meeting was amicable as it had to be in order for any progress to be made. Trump acknowledged that he would get some blow back--can we say a total leftist meldown?--when the next meeting between the two will be in Moscow.

Putin was extremely soft spoken during the press conference and President Trump uncharacteristically kept it short--roughly three minutes--and took no questions which was really unusual for him. Obviously the negotiations are at an extremely sensitive and fragile stage and both are playing the cards close to their chests until they can move to the next steps in the process.

4 Takeaways From Trump-Putin Summit in Alaska

Putin agrees with Trump's longtime assertion that the Russia-Ukraine war wouldn't have happened under a Trump presidency.

www.dailysignal.com

No progress was made for anyone but Putin.

 

[Foxfyre]

Germany had more claim to Poland than Russia does to Ukraine

Germany and Poland are not at war. Russia and the Ukraine are.

Germany and Poland have been separate countries for 80 years. Russia and the Ukraine have been separate countries for 34 years.

 

[SeaMajor7]

Who knows about the progress made, but this was BADASS...

 

[1srelluc]

There is more at stake though than just Putin wanting to take over the Ukraine again. (The Ukraine was part of Russia until 1991.) While Trump is not agreeing that should happen, he does concede that Russia has some valid concerns/grievances that must be acknowledged and addressed in order to get a deal all can live with.

Had it not been for The Halfrican's weak "leadership" the occupation of Crimea and the Donbass War (2014) would have never happened.....Putin knew Obama was weak as **** when there was no retaliation for the Benghazi deaths.

 

[Crepitus]

Then again Russia calls it a national security issue--for the Ukraine to join NATO is characterized as an unacceptable threat to Russia.

At this point there will have to be some give and take on both sides. Maybe it will be enough for NATO to agree that the Ukraine will not be in NATO or something like that or some, mostly Russian people, territories will be conceded. I don't know and neither Putin nor Trump are talking publicly at this point.

We'll see how it goes.

And I could claim you having all those expensive electronics in my neighborhood was a security issue because you might attract thieves so I took them.

 

[Foxfyre]

No progress was made for anyone but Putin.

Please provide your credible, verifiable source to back that up. Otherwise admit you are just trolling.

 

[Crepitus]

Please provide your credible, verifiable source to back that up. Otherwise admit you are just trolling.

Literally every source that isn't a known RWNJ propaganda outlet.