Russia Pulls Back Troops From Ukraine Border, Putin Says

[Camp]

Oh....Putin lied about moving his forces back.

Putin lies every day but tinydancer likes sucking his tiny cock.

She does have that man crush on him.

It has nothing to do with liking or hating Putin for me. Pointing out the sheer hypocrisy of Obama/Harper (my guy)/Cameron/Merkel/Hollande and others doesn't mean I suck anyone's cock.

For Obama to now get up and say that it is lawful for this illegal government in Kiev to kill these anti government protestors is beyond the pale.

It is so obvious now that the west backed this illegal coup and installed this puppet government and has not one problem with the new interim President ordering the slaughter of his citizens.

A pox on all their houses.

You're just stuck on that illegal government noise and private sector/freedom party nazi stuff. To stubborn to acknowledge that the world recognizes the transfer of government power in Kiev as legitimate and thus, recognizes the current Kiev government. And your attachment to the private sector/freedom party nazi stuff only reflect your lack of knowledge of Ukryins'ka Povstan'ka.

 

[U2Edge]

No. He's trying to prevent a civil war. The Right Sector came to Odessa and it was a bloodbath.

They set the building on fire. Many deaths. Evil bastards. And this is who our leaders are backing.

He's also asked the pro Russian rebels to postpone their vote. Putin has been the only one using diplomacy in all of this as everyone else is saber rattling and chest thumping.

Invading and annexing another countries territory is not what I would call using diplomacy. This is the type of thing Hitler did in the 1930s and 1940s and SADDAM did it to his neighbors in the 1980s and 1990s.

You are regurgitating the bullshit you've been handed. There was no invasion. Russia by treaty with Ukraine in 1997 and that treaty extended until 2042 was allowed up to 25,000 troops in Crimea.
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No you are defending Bullshit that can't be defended. Yes, Russia leases a base there, but that does not allow Russian forces to deploy outside the base into Ukrainian government buildings and hold Ukrainian military bases hostage. It does not allow the Russian navy to take over the Ukranian naval base and steal the only Ukranian Submarine based out of Crimea. It does not allow Russian soldiers to shoot and kill Ukrainians soldiers as happened. It does not allow Russian soldiers to set up a border check point where Crimea borders Kherson province to the north and make it into an international border.

Yes, Russia can have 25,000 troops there as long as there on base. They are not allowed to go off base with their weapons and tear up seize the rest of Crimea.

You know like America has treaties with foreign powers for the USA to have bases? And Crimea is home to Russia' Black Sea fleet.

Oh and Crimea was Russian until old Nikita decided to give her to the Ukraine as a present in the mid 50's.

Oh and the majority of Crimeans are ethnic Russian and really really were pissed off at the coup in Kiev that threw out their guy.

Ukraine is an independent state with the same rights as any other sovereign independent state. Russia leased a base in Crimea because Ukraine agreed to it. It was business deal for Ukraine essentially, but its still sovereign Ukrainian territory no matter what the foreign entity has paid for. Foreign companies may purchase property in the United States, but it remains United States territory.

The Ukraine has been an independent state since 1991 with its borders recognized by the United Nations and in 1994 it gave up its nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for Russia to recognize its borders including the fact that Crimea was and is part of the Ukraine. Nothing that Soviet officials did in the 1950s or 1920s, or what the Czar did earlier matters.

Yes, the United States has bases in other countries, but the United States respects those foreign countries and does not use basing rights or deals as a justification to invade and annex territory.

Lots of people get pissed about the political process that occurs in their individual countries. But that does not automatically justify terrorism and succession. There are laws that have to be obeyed. Crimea is dependent on Ukraine for much of its energy and clean water supply. Taxes from the rest of Ukraine have for years been transferred to Crimea. Now Russia has gone in and seized this area just as Hitler seized the German area of Czechoslovakia in 1938 using the same justifications.

Oh and while I'm freaking at it I find it monumentally hypocritical that we are now saying its ok to kill pro Russian protestors when just a few days ago we were condemning the killing of pro western protestors.

What a dogs breakfast Obama has created and civil war is now very possible. They are crying in Odessa that they will never forget and they will never forgive for what our western leaders allowed to happen.

Because of politics.

I fear this is just the beginning

Now doubt, Putin's dream of NovoRossia in Ukraine is on the way. He'll likely invade and take eastern and southern Ukraine landlocking what is left. I'd like to see you defend that naked aggression. Its interesting to see how someone defends a 21st century version of Hitler.

 

[Sallow]

I thought Nazis are left wing! Now they are "right wing radicals"?


Hmmmm...

You nuts need to make up your minds.

Left and Right are simply a measure of authoritarianism or a lack thereof.

Got nothing to do with politics. In fact, were you to apply the terms correctly to today's parties, Republicans would be far more 'left wing' than dimocraps. We believe in less government and government is the root of ALL authoritarianism.


The terms are often loosely, and inaccurately, applied to political doctrinaires, but that has become tedious at best

The Less government crapola is just that..crapola.

You folks are looking for a modern version of Theocratic rule, where by a King allots lands to Lords to do with as they please and the Church maintains order among the people on those lands.

This pretty clear no matter how you try to "code" it.

 

[1776]

Stupid inbred *****...I read the reports by European observers on the ground.

You on the otherhand read Russian propaganda rumors in your backwoods cult community.

The Russian goons that died in Odessa first attacked the pro-Ukrainian crowd according to people on the ground, not Russian media. The Russian goons ended up hiding in a building that was attacked and they died....oh pity.

If armed goons attacked a conservative group marching peacefully, I would have no problem if those goons ended up getting hurt in the end when they started it.

Anyone that believes Ukraine is going out of their way to attack "Russians" in Ukraine is insane. That is like attacking the relatives of a crazy **** family that has told you they will harm you if given the chance.

Liar. Pravy Sektor came in for battle. They murdered innocents.

 

[buckeye45_73]

I thought Nazis are left wing! Now they are "right wing radicals"?


Hmmmm...

You nuts need to make up your minds.

Left and Right are simply a measure of authoritarianism or a lack thereof.

Got nothing to do with politics. In fact, were you to apply the terms correctly to today's parties, Republicans would be far more 'left wing' than dimocraps. We believe in less government and government is the root of ALL authoritarianism.


The terms are often loosely, and inaccurately, applied to political doctrinaires, but that has become tedious at best

The Less government crapola is just that..crapola.

You folks are looking for a modern version of Theocratic rule, where by a King allots lands to Lords to do with as they please and the Church maintains order among the people on those lands.

This pretty clear no matter how you try to "code" it.

wtf swallow?


lol im about to cry, im laughing so hard.

yeah less govt is a code for an absolute monarch under the guise of divine right.

where do you come up with this stuff. We want high taxes so the king can take the quee on dates to new york city...oh wait thats you....lol

 

[1776]

It is amazing the trolls here that claim Ukraine is attacking "innocent Russians" inside Ukraine. Those "innocent Russians" carrying AK47s, RPGs, etc...that happen to be the same goons seen in Crimea, strange coincidence.

Let's see....Russian criminals, special forces and spies....that about sums up the troublemakers in Ukraine. Oh, they are also riling up ethnic Russians in Ukraine, even paying them to march and sometimes riot while they hide in the shadows.

One has to be a moron to believe average "ethnic Russians" just stumbled across weapons to shoot down 3 Hind helicopters....

 

[Sallow]

Left and Right are simply a measure of authoritarianism or a lack thereof.

Got nothing to do with politics. In fact, were you to apply the terms correctly to today's parties, Republicans would be far more 'left wing' than dimocraps. We believe in less government and government is the root of ALL authoritarianism.


The terms are often loosely, and inaccurately, applied to political doctrinaires, but that has become tedious at best

The Less government crapola is just that..crapola.

You folks are looking for a modern version of Theocratic rule, where by a King allots lands to Lords to do with as they please and the Church maintains order among the people on those lands.

This pretty clear no matter how you try to "code" it.

wtf swallow?


lol im about to cry, im laughing so hard.

yeah less govt is a code for an absolute monarch under the guise of divine right.
where do you come up with this stuff. We want high taxes so the king can take the quee on dates to new york city...oh wait thats you....lol

Yep..SuckEyeDick..

Sure is.

What you folks are looking for is less democracy and more theocracy.

You aren't that clever.