Rush Limbaugh

[Tech_Esq]

And freedom? Oh yeah we all know how the right wingers just loved the idea that people had the right to burn flags, watch porn etc. . The modern left isn't always too better though.

Offend a leftie with free speech on campus and you are likely to find your ass suspended or otherwise administratively chastised.

Did I not just say the left wasn't that better?

Both sides have incredibly lousy excuses to bash free speech.

You did, I was just amplifying.

 

[Tech_Esq]

No, I understood his point. My point was that animals and fetuses are not similarly situated. Animals can act independently. Therefore, as a practical matter you can hypothesize that an animal may somehow how, some way violate some right that you normally maintain against society.

However, a fetus, not being able to act independently cannot be similarly hypothesized. So, the question becomes can you imagine a way in which a fetus can infringe some right of yours? If you can, then you can properly analogize the situation because the fetus and the animal would be similarly situated.

That can't function as an apt analogy unless he is willing to consider the question of mentally disabled humans, who lack the capacity to comprehend rights and reciprocate, but could theoretically "violate" the right of another human regardless, through the use of physical force.

Good point.

It's times like these I'm glad I have a consistently pro-death position. That way I don't have to come up with artifices.

I do have a slightly nuanced pro-choice position though. I follow the Sandra Day O'Connor formula. Basically stated, if you can take it out and it can live, it's a baby. If you can't, it isn't. Accordingly, aborting prior to this is ok. After, not so much.

 

[rayboyusmc]

I make it a practice never to go to media matters for any reason. It might help their hit count.

So, you mean to tell us that you went back 4 years to find a trivial flaw in one sentence that would actually have been true in one or two years where he was clearly generalizing and not trying to be specific?

No, dumb ass, I typed Rush Limbaugh lies in google and this came up with a lot of other links. The link itself contains about 20 more examples. Sorry, to confuse you with facts. Stay tuned to FOX. I've met folks like you before. You were wrong, but rather than admit it, you pull the bullshit that I had to go back four years.

And you think that keeps you from being a dumb ASS....ASS?

There is no more personal responsibility in the Republican Party than there is in the Democratic party. Get a life.

P.S. Check out the changing demograhics in the military Tech, It ain't that highly Republican anymore.

There appears to be growing interest among the press about the political behavior (read, how do they vote) of our American military personnel, particularly the enlisted ranks. We have known for some time that officers, particularly senior officers, tend to be overwhelmingly conservative in attitude and identify with the Republican party. The problem is that assumptions have been made that the enlisted (and even junior officers) are much the same.

Military Times Newspapers (Army Times, Navy Times, etc.) have shown an increasing interest in finding out just what our enlisted people and junior officers think. Now, it appears that the Beaufort (SC) Gazette, newspaper for an area that boasts two Marine Corps bases and a Naval hospital, is trying to find out how the military vote may be perceived in the coming Presidential election. Reporters for both Military Times and the Beaufort Gazette confirmed a general assumption that enlisted personnel are predominately conservative and Republican. It just may not be true.

First, look at the demographics. Blacks are over-represented as compared to the general American population, and whites are under-represented. The population of racial/ethnic groups in the military that traditionally identify with the Democratic party is of a greater percentage of the military than in the general population. Indeed, demographics would predict that the military would actually have a democratic bias in their voting behavior.

We will see, as data is just now coming in. The preliminary data supports this thesis, but we will need to analyze the random sample to be sure.

Stay tuned…

The link to the Beaufort paper is no longer active, but it gave the percentages. Ain't like the old days, Tech. More and more liberals are in the military.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Not a single right-wingnut notion that is viable as well.

except freedom, self government, thrift, personal responsibility, honesty, values, etc.

You know, reality.

Those are the ones the left wants to, they just have different ideas on how to get there.

LOL... yeah... the left promotes individual rights by usurping them in favor of collective rights... they encourage 'self government' by growing tyranical government; they encourage thrift by insatiable spending; they encoruage personal responsibility by rationalizing excuses to set it aside; they encourage honesty by rationalizing 'everybody lies' and literature which espouses the benefits of lying... and a leftist "Value" is illustrated in their advocacy of sexual deviency, sexualizing children and the whorification of the culture.

As for values ... NO government policy should ever be made about those or using them, because everyone has different values. Sadly I agree with the left values much more than the right, sorry but being nothing but livestock breeding and slaving for nothing is not a good set of values.

OH! Looky there... yeah... ya can't really set policy on 'values' because everyone's values are different and 'as everyone knows...' everyones feelings their values is just as valid as everyone elses....

For instance, those VALUES which say" HEY BUDDY, GET YOUR ARMS UP! THIS HERE'S A ROBBERY!' Are JUST as valid as policy which says: NO ROBBERY.

Just as VALUES which say: Hey Little Boy, wanna Lollipop? Which are used to draw children close so that they can be kidnapped and used in deviant sexual practices of the twisted mind... ARE JUST AS VALID as policy which says: STAY OFF THE KIDS!

So yeah... Leftists are ALL ABOUT the values...

 

[Agnapostate]

LOL... yeah... the left promotes individual rights by usurping them in favor of collective rights... they encourage 'self government' by growing tyranical government; they encourage thrift by insatiable spending; they encoruage personal responsibility by rationalizing excuses to set it aside; they encourage honesty by rationalizing 'everybody lies' and literature which espouses the benefits of lying... and a leftist "Value" is illustrated in their advocacy of sexual deviency, sexualizing children and the whorification of the culture.

OH! Looky there... yeah... ya can't really set policy on 'values' because everyone's values are different and 'as everyone knows...' everyones feelings their values is just as valid as everyone elses....

For instance, those VALUES which say" HEY BUDDY, GET YOUR ARMS UP! THIS HERE'S A ROBBERY!' Are JUST as valid as policy which says: NO ROBBERY.

Just as VALUES which say: Hey Little Boy, wanna Lollipop? Which are used to draw children close so that they can be kidnapped and used in deviant sexual practices of the twisted mind... ARE JUST AS VALID as policy which says: STAY OFF THE KIDS!

So yeah... Leftists are ALL ABOUT the values...

You know, reading your posts makes me think of Elmer Fudd giving a lecture at Harvard.

 

[rayboyusmc]

No, Elmer Fudd was more eloquent and knowlegdable.

Just as VALUES which say: Hey Little Boy, wanna Lollipop? Which are used to draw children close so that they can be kidnapped and used in deviant sexual practices of the twisted mind... ARE JUST AS VALID as policy which says: STAY OFF THE KIDS!

What the **** is wrong with you meds again?

More and more liberals joining the military, Pogo.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

I've read The Way Things Ought To Be before, but I came across a select passage of it the other day in my critical thinking class that highlighted a major inconsistency in Rush's ethical perspective. Consider this commentary of his on animal rights: "Rights are either God-given or evolve out of the democratic process. Most rights are based on the ability of people to agree on a social contract, the ability to make and keep agreements. Animals cannot possibly reach such an agreement with other creatures. They cannot respect anyone else’s rights. Therefore they cannot be said to have rights."

Now try this: "Rights are either God-given or evolve out of the democratic process. Most rights are based on the ability of people to agree on a social contract, the ability to make and keep agreements. Fetuses cannot possibly reach such an agreement with other creatures. They cannot respect anyone else’s rights. Therefore they cannot be said to have rights."

Great non sequitur Skippy...

The HUMAN Fetus CLEARY DOES NOT HAVE AN AGREED UPON RIGHT RESULTANT FROM A SOCIAL CONTRACT... AS THE HUMAN FETUS HAS NO MEANS BY WHICH TO NEGOTIATE SUCH A RIGHT.

It does however enjoy the inalienable rights endowed to it through its Creator...

This position DOES however prove the feeble and fleeting nature of Rights founded in a social contract... Where one finds themselves in a poor negotiating position, one's rights are immediately suspect and decidedly at risk.

And isn't it cool how the secularist completely dismisses the God given rights on which the US Constitution rests and is designed to protect from governmental infringement and usurpation?

 

[Agnapostate]

Great non sequitur Skippy...

The HUMAN Fetus CLEARY DOES NOT HAVE AN AGREED UPON RIGHT RESULTANT FROM A SOCIAL CONTRACT... AS THE HUMAN FETUS HAS NO MEANS BY WHICH TO NEGOTIATE SUCH A RIGHT.

It does however enjoy the inalienable rights endowed to it through its Creator...

This position DOES however prove the feeble and fleeting nature of Rights founded in a social contract... Where one finds themselves in a poor negotiating position, one's rights are immediately suspect and decidedly at risk.

And isn't it cool how the secularist completely dismisses the God given rights on which the US Constitution rests and is designed to protect from governmental infringement and usurpation?

No amount of Bill O'Reilly's ACLU bashing can disguise the fact that such a doctrine is a clear establishment of a religious principle through a governmental organ if it were to be applied in the legal realm.

 

[Father Time]

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[manu1959]

Now try this: "Rights are either God-given or evolve out of the democratic process. Most rights are based on the ability of people to agree on a social contract, the ability to make and keep agreements. Fetuses cannot possibly reach such an agreement with other creatures. They cannot respect anyone else’s rights. Therefore they cannot be said to have rights."

niether can the insane or mentally challenged yet they have rights....

 

[Agnapostate]

niether can the insane or mentally challenged yet they have rights....

Did you not read my post? That's precisely what I pointed out.

 

[manu1959]

niether can the insane or mentally challenged yet they have rights....

Did you not read my post? That's precisely what I pointed out.

thank you for pointing out we agree.........

 

[Agnapostate]

thank you for pointing out we agree.........

I can assure you, we don't.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

No, Elmer Fudd was more eloquent and knowlegdable.

Just as VALUES which say: Hey Little Boy, wanna Lollipop? Which are used to draw children close so that they can be kidnapped and used in deviant sexual practices of the twisted mind... ARE JUST AS VALID as policy which says: STAY OFF THE KIDS!

What the **** is wrong with you meds again?

More and more liberals joining the military, Pogo.

Too close to home Pogue?

Yep... where do ya think the cries for TELL TELL! keep coming from? And it's a clear and present danger to the security of the US...

Leftists in the US military will produce the same subversive results for the US military that they produced for the Catholic Church...

But it'll make taking on the US military a TON easier when you idiots push the nation into civil war: Rainbow Cammies and HUMMERS EVERYWHERE!

 

[Agnapostate]

But it'll make taking on the US military a TON easier when you idiots push the nation into civil war: Rainbow Cammies and HUMMERS EVERYWHERE!

Let me guess: He left after a one night stand?

 

[YWN666]

Ah I see. More of your logical "arguments".

I stated my opinion. Your problem with that is????

Could be the absence of an intellectually sound, logically valid basis... or the crushing irony flooding the room due to you; a stone cold imbecile, denigrating the intellectual means of another...

"a stone cold imbecile,
denigrating the intellectual means of another"

My irony meter just exploded.

 

[Father Time]

Leftists in the US military will produce the same subversive results for the US military that they produced for the Catholic Church...

Oh wait so now the Catholic church pedos were leftists?

You mean the same Catholics that condemn homosexuality, abortion and certain forms of birth controls?

Amazing how you were going on and on about the secular left before and yet now...

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Great non sequitur Skippy...

The HUMAN Fetus CLEARY DOES NOT HAVE AN AGREED UPON RIGHT RESULTANT FROM A SOCIAL CONTRACT... AS THE HUMAN FETUS HAS NO MEANS BY WHICH TO NEGOTIATE SUCH A RIGHT.

It does however enjoy the inalienable rights endowed to it through its Creator...

This position DOES however prove the feeble and fleeting nature of Rights founded in a social contract... Where one finds themselves in a poor negotiating position, one's rights are immediately suspect and decidedly at risk.

And isn't it cool how the secularist completely dismisses the God given rights on which the US Constitution rests and is designed to protect from governmental infringement and usurpation?

No amount of Bill O'Reilly's ACLU bashing can disguise the fact that such a doctrine is a clear establishment of a religious principle through a governmental organ if it were to be applied in the legal realm.

Yep... That's exactly what it is... And it's precisely what the US is FOUNDED UPON and it's not changin'... At least not until you win the war and given your position on the Right to own and use a firearm in defense of your rights... that ain't too likely.

Now friends when you see me reiterate the point: THERE ARE NO LEFTIST AMERICANS!

Recall this post where the Left finds The US Constitution to be 'ACLU-Unconstitutional'...

Need anything else?

Now can we please stop with the Centrist guflaws to compromise with these subversive *****, and get busy with the uneinviable but necessary work of stripping these idiots of their means to vote and stripping them to the last man and woman from every facet of federal government.

Of course we can't do it for the states... but we can stop sending federal money to states with a single secularist working in an elected capacity anywhere in that state... But hey... they're entited to fail and we've no business telling them how they can do it.

 

[Agnapostate]

Yep... That's exactly what it is... And it's precisely what the US is FOUNDED UPON and it's not changin'... At least not until you win the war and given your position on the Right to own and use a firearm in defense of your rights... that ain't too likely.

Now friends when you see me reiterate the point: THERE ARE NO LEFTIST AMERICANS!

Recall this post where the Left finds the US Constitutional to be 'ACLU-Unconstitutional'...

Need anything else?

Now can we please stop with the Centrist guflaws to compromise with these subversive *****, and get busy with the uneinviable but necessary work of stripping these idiots of their means to vote and stripping them to the last man and woman from every facet of federal government.

Of course we can't do it for the states... but we can stop sending federal money to states with a single secularist working in an elected capacity anywhere in that state... But hey... they're entited to fail and we've no business telling them how they can do it.

I'd recommend cutting the Prozac tablets in half next time.

 

[KittenKoder]

except freedom, self government, thrift, personal responsibility, honesty, values, etc.

You know, reality.

Those are the ones the left wants to, they just have different ideas on how to get there.

As for values ... NO government policy should ever be made about those or using them, because everyone has different values. Sadly I agree with the left values much more than the right, sorry but being nothing but livestock breeding and slaving for nothing is not a good set of values.

And freedom? Oh yeah we all know how the right wingers just loved the idea that people had the right to burn flags, watch porn etc. . The modern left isn't always too better though.

Which is why it's REALLY funny when they call me a lefty ... handed, sure, I am left handed, but that's all. I share some of their ideals, but then everyone does just like the right, but really ... smoking bans, recycling LAWS, etc. Anyone who agrees with these does not like freedom, but then, anyone who wants the nation to be only one religion (like christianity) are against freedom, as well as anyone who makes laws based on religious views instead of logic. Both sides ... **** 'em, I'll use my brain instead because they're both too extremist.