Return of relative Decency in US politics

[Obama2020]

The Ten Commandments of decent Campaigning and running the office...
1. Thou shall focus on your plan/agenda... which should be detailed.
2. Thou shall never demean your adversary for effect (small hands, dishonest Ted,...)
3. Thou shall respect campaign financing rules
4. Thou shall never tell a blatant lie (good luck with that... lol)
5. Thou shall demonstrate a minimum of empathy.
6. Thou shall never waste donors' money.
7. Thou shall not commit adultery (oh boy....)
8. Thou shall provide your tax returns when asked lol
9. Thou shall act presidential... or get coaching if you have no clue about acting that way lol.
10. Thou shall respect the institutions that support your country.

Some of these are good as guidelines. How exactly would you enforce this, culturally? Or some sort of law?

Putting a robot up there might do the job

But seriously, if you have to actually highlight 'common sense' rules like this for a 'presidential' race or actually running the country, something is definitely broken.
This should be a no-brainer for everyone... That's why 'rule of law' as expressed by the Mueller investigation is possibly the last hope for any decent future democratic republic and avoiding a blatant dictatorship.

 

[Obama2020]

11. Thou shalt apply your own standards to your own party.
You fall flat on your face on that one

You thought these rules were partisan ? lol wtf...

 

[1stRambo]

Yo, I see only one possibility? War, we "True Americans" eliminate the "Demons" and only then, will we see Decency again in America!!!

"GTP"

New Rule:
When you encounter people who have Rambo as their avatar, assume that they are 27 year old incels who live in their parents basement and have never held a job or any meaningful relationship outside of making idle violent threats on the internet.
Assume that outside of USMB, they're well known personalities on 4chan/8chan, but being anonymous, they sought out USMB for personal notoriety. Look for similar screeds and rants.
Also assume that they stole enough money from their shitty parents to buy at least one gun, assume that they are armed and expect to see them in the news one day.
Assume that the news story will not be a good one.

Yo, what is your excuse for being here NEWBIE? By the way, I have 2 guns, one my wife bought for me, the other one I bought, so take your idiocy, and stick it where the sunn don`t shine FOOL!!!

"GTP"

 

[jc456]

There is nothing fascist of warning about violence, especially when we are seeing a rise in political violence, from the left, already.
That you would claim it was, just shows you to be dishonest.

Sorry guys, it might be more over the top insane than fascist in the context of the US of A.

A deeply partisan president (unifier in chief lol) warning evangelicals about violence if the Dems take over the house in November is just jaw-dropping nuts and seriously dangerous if not fatal for what's left of a democratic republic.

The guy clearly wants to trigger a civil war and bring in the troops to protect a future dictatorship. Dream on Trump lmao.

BTW, the blacks in chicago threatening violence in the city if Officer VanDyke isn't found guilty. So if he picks a jury trial and is found innocent hell breaks loose. So again the left threatening a jury trial with violence like manafort.

 

[Hiryuu]

Watch out with that....there are people here who will damn you to hell as an authoritarian for wanting to take away their freedom of speech to insult, demean and hate on others.

And others who have no intention of stopping you.

 

[Hiryuu]

I'd like to think that we'd be in a different place if rules of conduct were in place.... some kind of Godwin's Law for politics. Cross the line and you're out kind of thing ?
Does the following have a chance in hell in 2018 lol:

The Ten Commandments of decent Campaigning and running the office...

1. Thou shall focus on your plan/agenda... which should be detailed.
2. Thou shall never demean your adversary for effect (small hands, dishonest Ted,...)
3. Thou shall respect campaign financing rules
4. Thou shall never tell a blatant lie (good luck with that... lol)
5. Thou shall demonstrate a minimum of empathy.
6. Thou shall never waste donors' money.
7. Thou shall not commit adultery (oh boy....)
8. Thou shall provide your tax returns when asked lol
9. Thou shall act presidential... or get coaching if you have no clue about acting that way lol.
10. Thou shall respect the institutions that support your country.

A call for decency tends to work better on decent people. Perhaps your expectations are a bit too high considering the existing pool of options.

 

[sakinago]

The Ten Commandments of decent Campaigning and running the office...
1. Thou shall focus on your plan/agenda... which should be detailed.
2. Thou shall never demean your adversary for effect (small hands, dishonest Ted,...)
3. Thou shall respect campaign financing rules
4. Thou shall never tell a blatant lie (good luck with that... lol)
5. Thou shall demonstrate a minimum of empathy.
6. Thou shall never waste donors' money.
7. Thou shall not commit adultery (oh boy....)
8. Thou shall provide your tax returns when asked lol
9. Thou shall act presidential... or get coaching if you have no clue about acting that way lol.
10. Thou shall respect the institutions that support your country.

Some of these are good as guidelines. How exactly would you enforce this, culturally? Or some sort of law?

Putting a robot up there might do the job

But seriously, if you have to actually highlight 'common sense' rules like this for a 'presidential' race or actually running the country, something is definitely broken.
This should be a no-brainer for everyone... That's why 'rule of law' as expressed by the Mueller investigation is possibly the last hope for any decent future democratic republic and avoiding a blatant dictatorship.

I asked how do you propose we enforce this?

And yea some of this is common sense, but if the left doesn’t recognize why the right ignores trumps flaws, then it isn’t really common sense. This here is hypocritical and self serving. Trump came about because the last 3 GOP guys, who were all pretty much centrist progressive republicans, were being called the same things trump was being called, and yet there were no calls for civility from the left or the media. Bush was a fascist liar. McCain was a blatant racist. And Romney was a sexist, animal abuser, who wanted to push grandma off a cliff (even though he passed essientially the same thing as Obama care in his home state). Biden was out there telling black voters that Romney wanted to put them all back in chains. And they all sat back and just took it. The left pulled their gloves off long ago. The 3 mentioned guys stood in the corner with their gloves up absorbing these blows, following the same principles you laid out in the OP. The right wanted someone who was actually going to punch back, for better or worse that’s what trump does. This is coming from someone who did not vote for trump, nor currently likes him. And why is it ok for the left to call Ivanka a feckless c**t, and say phrases like Putin’s cockholster? That’s about as uncivil as one gets.

And where is the blantant dictatorship? Almost all of trumps executive actions were rolling back Obama’s executive actions. Trump gets blocked by judges ALL the time. Trump doesn’t get the policies he wants half the time despite having a gop controlled congress and senate. That’s the system of checks and balances working. I want even less power going to the executive branch, roll back executive orders to what they were meant to be, for things like picking out the silverware for hosting a foreign president, or declaring a casual Friday at the whitehouse, not singlehandedly implementing policy that needs to be voted on by the legislative branch.

And I’m all for rule of law. So why is it Trump gets heavily criticized for following the rule of law when it comes to immigration?? He was singlehandedly blamed for separating families for a ruling made by the 9th circuit court (very left leaning), during the Obama administration. You can’t pick and choose the rule of law that you like, that’s the opposite of rule of law. This whole alleged campaign finance fiasco on trumps end is the very same thing that Edwards got off for, paying off a mistress and not reporting it, so what does the rule of law say on that? Not to mention, Hillary clearly violating security clearance with the whole email server. That’s a cut and dry case for EVERYONE else but Hillary.

And if you’re so concerned about preserving our democratic republic, then you should be criticizing Antifa who is very open about their desire to tear down the “oppressive” democratic republic and constitution. As well as the media who gives them a pass, well because they’re against bigots so...

It’s threads like these that make me wish I could change my vote from maybe to NO.

 

[kaz]

11. Thou shalt apply your own standards to your own party.
You fall flat on your face on that one

You thought these rules were partisan ? lol wtf...

No, i think you are

 

[sartre play]

Any agenda that more than 50% of the population are not in agreement with, that's when we most need bipartisanship from our leaders, working for us & not the party's agenda

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Not after the liberals showed their true colors after Trump won...


We always thought they were pathetic creatures , but we didn't know that they were this over the edge.

Dems haven't even come close to where the repubs were 20 years ago.

The dems at least investigate real crimes and get real results.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Not after the liberals showed their true colors after Trump won...


We always thought they were pathetic creatures , but we didn't know that they were this over the edge.

Yes, libtards, the most indecent uncivil sobs the planet are always calling for decency and civility!

We used to have decency and civility.

You called it polical correctness and said it was bad.

 

[WillowTree]

Not after the liberals showed their true colors after Trump won...


We always thought they were pathetic creatures , but we didn't know that they were this over the edge.

Yes, libtards, the most indecent uncivil sobs the planet are always calling for decency and civility!

We used to have decency and civility.

You called it polical correctness and said it was bad.

I have never seen a decent democrat!

 

[Hellbilly]

Not after the liberals showed their true colors after Trump won...


We always thought they were pathetic creatures , but we didn't know that they were this over the edge.

Yes, libtards, the most indecent uncivil sobs the planet are always calling for decency and civility!

We used to have decency and civility.

You called it polical correctness and said it was bad.

I have never seen a decent democrat!

As it turns out I've never met a Republican that wasn't a POS racist.

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[Hutch Starskey]

I'd like to think that we'd be in a different place if rules of conduct were in place.... some kind of Godwin's Law for politics. Cross the line and you're out kind of thing ?
Does the following have a chance in hell in 2018 lol:

The Ten Commandments of decent Campaigning and running the office...

1. Thou shall focus on your plan/agenda... which should be detailed.
2. Thou shall never demean your adversary for effect (small hands, dishonest Ted,...)
3. Thou shall respect campaign financing rules
4. Thou shall never tell a blatant lie (good luck with that... lol)
5. Thou shall demonstrate a minimum of empathy.
6. Thou shall never waste donors' money.
7. Thou shall not commit adultery (oh boy....)
8. Thou shall provide your tax returns when asked lol
9. Thou shall act presidential... or get coaching if you have no clue about acting that way lol.
10. Thou shall respect the institutions that support your country.

how about the biggest one, thou shall not take money for promises?

or thou shall not receive dirt on a candidate:
or, thou shall not cheat in a primary?
or thou shall not receive questions ahead of debate?
or thou shall not say russia russia
or thou shall not spy on the opposition candidate?

how about those ones?

Or just be smart enough to know what's real or not.

That's the real problem. The internet age has given voice to the dumbest among us and the right saw it was a useful tool.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

The Leftist Marxist believe hatred, lies and violence, and even coups are what are necessary to fundamentally transform America in to a Socialist Nanny State. They are committed to Globalism, Open Borders, and a Gender Confused Society. They have No Standards and No Code of Ethics to Live by and they are committed to The Destruction of Individual Liberties and The Sovereign State.

Knowing this, that there are murderers, liars, slanderers, and traitors amongst us, there can NEVER be civility again, because The Left has no limits to the depths they will sink to to obtain power.

40 years of right wing hate radio preaching that government can’t be trusted, liberals are commies out to destroy America, and the MSM is so biased that they cannot be believed has produced the idiocy which The Original Tree has bought into, hook, line and sinker.

There is no cure for stupid and the cure for this kind of extreme brainwashing is deprogramming. These idiots are so brainwashed they think truth isn’t truth.

I hate being given the other side of a subject and let me decide who is lying and who isn't. you just want people to think like you. we get it, you love insane asylums.

No, I want people to think for themselves. I want them to fact check, and stop blindly accepting everything they’re told because it’s what they want to hear and they’re too lazy to do the leg work necessary to find out what’s really going on.

And I want the purveyors of hate speech, like Alex Jones, to be held accountable for the damage they’ve done. I think that his actions in both the Pizzagate Conspiracy Theory and the Sandy Hoax Conspiracy theory should have consequences. People were irrevocable harmed by his lies. Actions have consequences.

Meanwhile you idiots think the election of 2016 was stolen by Russia and that #walkaway is comprised of Russian bots.

People have been irrevocably harmed because of your party’s general lunacy and blind trust in a long discredited media.

As opposed to what? Dopey conspiracies and propaganda.

Too funny.

 

[ptbw forever]

The Leftist Marxist believe hatred, lies and violence, and even coups are what are necessary to fundamentally transform America in to a Socialist Nanny State. They are committed to Globalism, Open Borders, and a Gender Confused Society. They have No Standards and No Code of Ethics to Live by and they are committed to The Destruction of Individual Liberties and The Sovereign State.

Knowing this, that there are murderers, liars, slanderers, and traitors amongst us, there can NEVER be civility again, because The Left has no limits to the depths they will sink to to obtain power.

40 years of right wing hate radio preaching that government can’t be trusted, liberals are commies out to destroy America, and the MSM is so biased that they cannot be believed has produced the idiocy which The Original Tree has bought into, hook, line and sinker.

There is no cure for stupid and the cure for this kind of extreme brainwashing is deprogramming. These idiots are so brainwashed they think truth isn’t truth.

I hate being given the other side of a subject and let me decide who is lying and who isn't. you just want people to think like you. we get it, you love insane asylums.

No, I want people to think for themselves. I want them to fact check, and stop blindly accepting everything they’re told because it’s what they want to hear and they’re too lazy to do the leg work necessary to find out what’s really going on.

And I want the purveyors of hate speech, like Alex Jones, to be held accountable for the damage they’ve done. I think that his actions in both the Pizzagate Conspiracy Theory and the Sandy Hoax Conspiracy theory should have consequences. People were irrevocable harmed by his lies. Actions have consequences.

Meanwhile you idiots think the election of 2016 was stolen by Russia and that #walkaway is comprised of Russian bots.

People have been irrevocably harmed because of your party’s general lunacy and blind trust in a long discredited media.

As opposed to what? Dopey conspiracies and propaganda.

Too funny.

“Propaganda” is claiming that Antifa is a predominately black group that is simply protesting fascism.

That is what MSNBC and CNN just did.

 

[jc456]

40 years of right wing hate radio preaching that government can’t be trusted, liberals are commies out to destroy America, and the MSM is so biased that they cannot be believed has produced the idiocy which The Original Tree has bought into, hook, line and sinker.

There is no cure for stupid and the cure for this kind of extreme brainwashing is deprogramming. These idiots are so brainwashed they think truth isn’t truth.

I hate being given the other side of a subject and let me decide who is lying and who isn't. you just want people to think like you. we get it, you love insane asylums.

No, I want people to think for themselves. I want them to fact check, and stop blindly accepting everything they’re told because it’s what they want to hear and they’re too lazy to do the leg work necessary to find out what’s really going on.

And I want the purveyors of hate speech, like Alex Jones, to be held accountable for the damage they’ve done. I think that his actions in both the Pizzagate Conspiracy Theory and the Sandy Hoax Conspiracy theory should have consequences. People were irrevocable harmed by his lies. Actions have consequences.

Meanwhile you idiots think the election of 2016 was stolen by Russia and that #walkaway is comprised of Russian bots.

People have been irrevocably harmed because of your party’s general lunacy and blind trust in a long discredited media.

As opposed to what? Dopey conspiracies and propaganda.

Too funny.

“Propaganda” is claiming that Antifa is a predominately black group that is simply protesting fascism.

That is what MSNBC and CNN just did.

predominately black? are you fkng kidding me? who are these idiots?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

40 years of right wing hate radio preaching that government can’t be trusted, liberals are commies out to destroy America, and the MSM is so biased that they cannot be believed has produced the idiocy which The Original Tree has bought into, hook, line and sinker.

There is no cure for stupid and the cure for this kind of extreme brainwashing is deprogramming. These idiots are so brainwashed they think truth isn’t truth.

I hate being given the other side of a subject and let me decide who is lying and who isn't. you just want people to think like you. we get it, you love insane asylums.

No, I want people to think for themselves. I want them to fact check, and stop blindly accepting everything they’re told because it’s what they want to hear and they’re too lazy to do the leg work necessary to find out what’s really going on.

And I want the purveyors of hate speech, like Alex Jones, to be held accountable for the damage they’ve done. I think that his actions in both the Pizzagate Conspiracy Theory and the Sandy Hoax Conspiracy theory should have consequences. People were irrevocable harmed by his lies. Actions have consequences.

Meanwhile you idiots think the election of 2016 was stolen by Russia and that #walkaway is comprised of Russian bots.

People have been irrevocably harmed because of your party’s general lunacy and blind trust in a long discredited media.

As opposed to what? Dopey conspiracies and propaganda.

Too funny.

“Propaganda” is claiming that Antifa is a predominately black group that is simply protesting fascism.

That is what MSNBC and CNN just did.

Ok. Give us their "real" agenda and demography then.

 

[jc456]

I hate being given the other side of a subject and let me decide who is lying and who isn't. you just want people to think like you. we get it, you love insane asylums.

No, I want people to think for themselves. I want them to fact check, and stop blindly accepting everything they’re told because it’s what they want to hear and they’re too lazy to do the leg work necessary to find out what’s really going on.

And I want the purveyors of hate speech, like Alex Jones, to be held accountable for the damage they’ve done. I think that his actions in both the Pizzagate Conspiracy Theory and the Sandy Hoax Conspiracy theory should have consequences. People were irrevocable harmed by his lies. Actions have consequences.

Meanwhile you idiots think the election of 2016 was stolen by Russia and that #walkaway is comprised of Russian bots.

People have been irrevocably harmed because of your party’s general lunacy and blind trust in a long discredited media.

As opposed to what? Dopey conspiracies and propaganda.

Too funny.

“Propaganda” is claiming that Antifa is a predominately black group that is simply protesting fascism.

That is what MSNBC and CNN just did.

Ok. Give us their "real" agenda and demography then.

stop conservatism using all methodology and violence. stop free speech. stop the opposition party.

 

[ptbw forever]

I hate being given the other side of a subject and let me decide who is lying and who isn't. you just want people to think like you. we get it, you love insane asylums.

No, I want people to think for themselves. I want them to fact check, and stop blindly accepting everything they’re told because it’s what they want to hear and they’re too lazy to do the leg work necessary to find out what’s really going on.

And I want the purveyors of hate speech, like Alex Jones, to be held accountable for the damage they’ve done. I think that his actions in both the Pizzagate Conspiracy Theory and the Sandy Hoax Conspiracy theory should have consequences. People were irrevocable harmed by his lies. Actions have consequences.

Meanwhile you idiots think the election of 2016 was stolen by Russia and that #walkaway is comprised of Russian bots.

People have been irrevocably harmed because of your party’s general lunacy and blind trust in a long discredited media.

As opposed to what? Dopey conspiracies and propaganda.

Too funny.

“Propaganda” is claiming that Antifa is a predominately black group that is simply protesting fascism.

That is what MSNBC and CNN just did.

Ok. Give us their "real" agenda and demography then.

I will let Tim Poole tell you. He is a lefty.