Restoring A Constitutional Federal Government, The TX Plan

[Skylar]

And EXACTLY where can that be ascertained in either the Constitution or in a SCOTUS decision? You're forgetting about the chicken and egg conundrum you've created with your silly argument! You've forgotten the timing of certain occurrences and SCOTUS decisions that put the lie to your horseshit, Tex!

Oh right, a federal entity deciding, no conflict of interest there. LMAO

Great dodge to avoid responding to the direct question along with the conundrum of your creation and the timing issue. You're a brave soul, Tex!

That was no dodge, the supreme court ruled after the civil war that the States had no right to succeed, do you find that surprising, I don't. I will note however that the supreme court never spoke on the subject prior to the war. In fact Lincoln made a brief attempt to negotiate the souths return to the union, even said he would allow them to keep their slaves. The fact is the feds are a creation of the States and if they so chose they can abolish the federal government at will.

You're STILL dodging fool! You claimed, "... no where did THEY give the feds the power to compel them to remain in the union." My response to you was to show where in the Constitution or in a SCOTUS decision that was true. Your only response to that was a vague, non specific, "... the supreme court ruled after the civil war that the States had no right to succeed... ." What case was that lad? You couldn't find the case to cite it you know-nothing? Or did you find it and come across something that blows you BS out of the bloody water? Something like the following;

From the Syllabus in Texas v. White (1869), opinion Chief Justice Chase:
"4. The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "be perpetual." And, when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "to form a more perfect Union."

5. But the perpetuity and indissolubility of the Union by no means implies the loss of distinct and individual existence, or of the right of self-government by the States. On the contrary, it may be not unreasonably said that the preservation of the States and the maintenance of their governments are as much within the design and care of the Constitution as the preservation of the Union and the maintenance of the National government. The Constitution, in all its provisions, looks to an indestructible Union composed of indestructible States." [Emphasis Added]

The above quote from Texas v. White above clearly buries your claim 6' under that the States have the right to secede if they wish! It was Unconstitutional before the Civil War and it was unconstitutional after the Civil War. Again Bubba the tail doesn't wag the dog.

The Supremes had no reason to address secession before it started in 1861, fool, because no such issue had ever occurred in our short history up to that point. As far as the States abolishing the National government at their will, CITE THE FUCKING AUTHORITY,TEX! You can't and won't cite any authority for that vacuous claim, IDIOT, because there is none! Tex, your gun has had a vasectomy and is shootin' blanks! You are looking like an impotent jackass, so you should really quit embarrassing yourself.

You still haven't shown that the Constitution prohibits anyone form seceding, no where in it does it say the union is perpetual. I said the court didn't rule on it till after the war was ended. You just posted the very case I had in mind, which was handed down 4, count them, 4 years after the war was over. In case you math skills are as impaired as your reading skills, 1869 - 1865 = 4. Have a nice night.

Again, the preamble...which defines how the Constitution was made. The Supremacy clause. USSC rulings. And James Madison, who just obliterated the entire concept.

You'd have to ignore all four.

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

You still haven't shown that the Constitution prohibits anyone form seceding...

You bloody idiot, that has been covered...your reading comprehension and retention sucks. The Constitution doesn't say you have the right to make yourself look like the idiot you're making yourself out to appear, but you do have that right, idiot! You are so shallow, you are above ground level! The Constitution doesn't say many other things aren't Unconstitutional or not, but many things have been declared such by the Supremes.

...no where in it does it say the union is perpetual.

That has already been covered too, fool! That also is among the thousands and thousands of things which are not written in the Constitution, dipstick. And again you are ignoring what I posted to you and to which you responded with your post I'm responding and reposting now, you bloody dolt, From SCOTUS in Texas v. White one can find in the Syllabus the following;

"4. The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "be perpetual." And, when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "to form a more perfect Union."

5. But the perpetuity and indissolubility of the Union by no means implies the loss of distinct and individual existence, or of the right of self-government by the States. On the contrary, it may be not unreasonably said that the preservation of the States and the maintenance of their governments are as much within the design and care of the Constitution as the preservation of the Union and the maintenance of the National government. The Constitution, in all its provisions, looks to an indestructible Union composed of indestructible States." [Emphasis Added]

Now do you understand what that means SMACK? It means you are fucking wrong and sucking vacuum. You are still all hat and no cattle, Tex. You're still embarrassing yourself.

 

[JimBowie1958]

You still haven't shown that the Constitution prohibits anyone form seceding...

You bloody idiot, that has been covered...your reading comprehension and retention sucks. The Constitution doesn't say you have the right to make yourself look like the idiot you're making yourself out to appear, but you do have that right, idiot! You are so shallow, you are above ground level! The Constitution doesn't say many other things aren't Unconstitutional or not, but many things have been declared such by the Supremes.

...no where in it does it say the union is perpetual.

That has already been covered too, fool! That also is among the thousands and thousands of things which are not written in the Constitution, dipstick. And again you are ignoring what I posted to you and to which you responded with your post I'm responding and reposting now, you bloody dolt, From SCOTUS in Texas v. White one can find in the Syllabus the following;

"4. The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to "be perpetual." And, when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "to form a more perfect Union."

5. But the perpetuity and indissolubility of the Union by no means implies the loss of distinct and individual existence, or of the right of self-government by the States. On the contrary, it may be not unreasonably said that the preservation of the States and the maintenance of their governments are as much within the design and care of the Constitution as the preservation of the Union and the maintenance of the National government. The Constitution, in all its provisions, looks to an indestructible Union composed of indestructible States." [Emphasis Added]

Now do you understand what that means SMACK? It means you are fucking wrong and sucking vacuum. You are still all hat and no cattle, Tex. You're still embarrassing yourself.

Wow, OKTexas, yo really seemed to have gotten under his skin.

Prepare to be called a 'racist'.

 

[Debra K]

Oh...was that "withdraw from" finalized? Or did the fools jump the shark and fire on a federal installation? Why yes....they did. All attempts at legally leaving the U.S. now null and void. Traitors and treason. There should have been a lot of hangings after the dust settled. Jefferson Davis front and center.

That installation was nationalized upon succession, a nation is justified firing on troops trying to occupy their territory. Had those troops withdrawn instead of trying to reinforce everything would have been cool.

The United States of America did not give its consent to have its military property (Fort Sumter) taken from its dominion and control nor to have South Carolina or any other state secede from the union. It was an insurrection by armed rebels.

Full Definition of rebellion

1. 
   1 : opposition to one in authority or dominance
   
   
2. 2 a : open, armed, and usually unsuccessful defiance of or resistance to an established government b : an instance of such defiance or resistance

They had no authority once that territory was peacefully withdrawn from their jurisdiction. Just like the former soviet union had no authority over the countries that withdrew from their union.

Your attempt to deceive is noted. Your argument is still Sophistry.

And yours is, well, just empty.

I'm pretty sure a war was waged and that the union won. The confederate rebels surrendered. End of story.