Zone1 Questioning the Book of Mormon

[Cougarbear]

I have heard and read a lot of naysayers about the Book of Mormon attacking things like there were no elephants in the days of the Book of Mormon concerning both the Jaradites who came over from the Tower of Babel and the people of Lehi in about 600BC. So, here’s an artifact by Hopewell Indians in America. What say you?

 

[crossbody]

The creator of Mormonism is a 33rd degree mason.

Just like the Catholic Church was founded by the masons. On the Swaggart show on TV, Jim Nations was once a mason and he tells us all about it live on TV. Jim Nations says he prayed to God if he ever got out of that mason mess he would expose it. He says it is a death pledge. They make you pledge your life.

How are you connecting the Jaradites to the Tower of Babel?

 

[Crepitus]

I have heard and read a lot of naysayers about the Book of Mormon attacking things like there were no elephants in the days of the Book of Mormon concerning both the Jaradites who came over from the Tower of Babel and the people of Lehi in about 600BC. So, here’s an artifact by Hopewell Indians in America. What say you?

That's the one with the magic underwear and the gold plates that nobody can see, right?

 

[Cougarbear]

That's the one with the magic underwear and the gold plates that nobody can see, right?

The ones where you dufuses say the book is false because elephants died out 10,000 years ago. Well, stay tuned to find out horse like animals also existed. There's a lot to be dug up still all over North and South America. What do you have to say now, dufus?

 

[Cougarbear]

The creator of Mormonism is a 33rd degree mason.

Just like the Catholic Church was founded by the masons. On the Swaggart show on TV, Jim Nations was once a mason and he tells us all about it live on TV. Jim Nations says he prayed to God if he ever got out of that mason mess he would expose it. He says it is a death pledge. They make you pledge your life.

How are you connecting the Jaradites to the Tower of Babel?

Go into the army and you make the same pledge. I'm not a Mason and Joseph Smith joined to take pressure off from those who wanted him dead. He thought that would keep the killer Christians from killing him. It may have been Masons themselves that did. What would be the reason. I do not know. But, I do know that he and Brigham Young were in one of the sessions and Joseph told Brigham that these ordinances were the apostate temple endowment ordinances continued from ancient times. See, Temple ordinances in the Church had already been made known to Brigham Young before they joined the Masons. Shouldn't surprise you that some organization kept the temple rites and ordinances going, even without authority of God to do so. 40,000 Christian Churches do baptisms and gift of the Holy Ghost from 2,000 years ago.

 

[Crepitus]

The ones where you dufuses say the book is false because elephants died out 10,000 years ago.

I never said anytihg like that.

I asked a question.

 

[Cougarbear]

I never said anytihg like that.

I asked a question.

I answered it.

 

[luiza]

He says it is a death pledge. They make you pledge your life.

Just like Cult Christianity .
Life and After Life .

Evil .All of them ..

 

[Clyde 154]

I have heard and read a lot of naysayers about the Book of Mormon attacking things like there were no elephants in the days of the Book of Mormon concerning both the Jaradites who came over from the Tower of Babel and the people of Lehi in about 600BC. So, here’s an artifact by Hopewell Indians in America. What say you?

The word of God declares that God no longer speaks to mankind through Prophets. (Hebrews 1:1-2). Anyone claiming to be a prophet is obviously a false prophet.

 

[Cougarbear]

The word of God declares that God no longer speaks to mankind through Prophets. (Hebrews 1:1-2). Anyone claiming to be a prophet is obviously a false prophet.

No it does not. Do you know what an Apostle is? An Apostle is a Prophet. Just look at John or Paul for heaven sakes. All that scripture said was while the Lord God Son was on the earth, there was no need for a Prophet like unto Moses or Isaiah. But, when Jesus left the earth, he had Peter, who was the Prophet. And, through the rock of revelation, the Lord spoke unto Peter and revealed new things to him.
What did happen is that when there were no more Apostles (Prophets) then the revelations and prophecies stopped. An apostasy began and lasted until 1820 when the Godhead answered the prayer of Joseph Smith and the heavens were again opened. The apostasy had ended.

 

[boevans]

Cougarbear is one of the old fat men sitting in the back row at quorum meetings who says, "In our church we believe...", then goes on to yammer.

Go to lds.org if you want to learn about the Mormons, not this dude.

 

[onefour1]

The word of God declares that God no longer speaks to mankind through Prophets. (Hebrews 1:1-2). Anyone claiming to be a prophet is obviously a false prophet.

Ephesians 4:11-15
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

Does this verse sound like God has done away with apostles and prophets? Have all come to a unity of the faith? Have we all come to a knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ? NO!!! We haven't. apostles and prophets are to be a part of the true church of Jesus Christ until we reach that stage of being! They are to receive prophecy and instruction from God for his church!

Hebrews 1:1-2
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Yes, God has spoken to us in times past through prophets, but that doesn't say that he will not speak to us still through prophets. When Jesus was on the earth he also spoke to us but that doesn't suggest that he also has stopped speaking to us. He continues, as Ephesians 4:11-15 tell us, to guide his church through apostles and prophets and will continue to do so until we all come to a unity of the faith. In other words, he will not stop!

 

[Cougarbear]

Cougarbear is one of the old fat men sitting in the back row at quorum meetings who says, "In our church we believe...", then goes on to yammer.

Go to lds.org if you want to learn about the Mormons, not this dude.

Are you a member in good standing?

 

[boevans]

Are you? Do you honor and respect President Nelson as much as President Packer and Apostle Romney?

 

[Clyde 154]

Ephesians 4:11-15
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

Does this verse sound like God has done away with apostles and prophets? Have all come to a unity of the faith? Have we all come to a knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ? NO!!! We haven't. apostles and prophets are to be a part of the true church of Jesus Christ until we reach that stage of being! They are to receive prophecy and instruction from God for his church!

Hebrews 1:1-2
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Yes, God has spoken to us in times past through prophets, but that doesn't say that he will not speak to us still through prophets. When Jesus was on the earth he also spoke to us but that doesn't suggest that he also has stopped speaking to us. He continues, as Ephesians 4:11-15 tell us, to guide his church through apostles and prophets and will continue to do so until we all come to a unity of the faith. In other words, he will not stop!

What? Are the scriptures lying when they declare that God speaks through Jesus only? It was Jesus speaking to the church from heaven through the Holy Spirit in the 1st century when these gifts existed. One inspired writing does not contradict another, as all scripture is inspired of God (2 Tim. 3:16-17)

The word of God specifically explains that all the signs you mentioned would soon FAIL. When that which is perfect (teleioo') comes (the complete word of God) -- 1 Cor. 13 The Word of God...i.e, the faith was delivered once for all time in the 1st century Jude 3

"Love never ends, As for prophecies, they will pass away, as for tongues (the gift of speaking in another language), they will cease, as for knowledge (supernatural gift), it will pass away." -- 1 Cor. 13:8

When will these gifts of the Spirit of God end? Each of these gifts were in part......no one possessed all the supernatural gifts, each was given to establish doctrine for the new born church.........once the church was mature, the gifts would cease as they were no longer required. The church/kingdom was made complete in the 1st century when the Word of God......i.,e THE PERFECT came into existence..........in the original tongue of Koine Greek, translates as made whole or complete (teleioo').......the same Greek word used by James when describing the PERFECT LAW OF LIBERTY (the completed word of God) -- James 1:24

"For we (the apostles and saints of the 1st century) know in part and we prophecy in part, BUT WHEN THE PERFECT (TELEIOO') COMES......THE PARTIAL WILL PASS AWAY........." -- 1 Cor. 13:9-10

These gifts have ceased..........today, the gifts of the Spirit that remains are "Faith, Hope, and Love", with Love being the greatest of these Spiritual Gifts. -- 1 Cor. 13:13



We are commanded to "rightly" divide the word of Truth. (2 Tim. 2:15) When you present an opinion that ends with one scripture contradicting another.....you are not rightly dividing the word of TRUTH.

The reason that we are to TEST those who claim to be prophets.........as of today, there is not one documented sign of a true apostle of Christ that exists. All are proven frauds, false prophets when put to the test. If not.........document just one sign of an Apostle of Christ. Make the blind see, the dead raise, the lamb walk, etc., Show us these miraculous signs......if not, your cult is just another example of fraud.





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[ding]

I have heard and read a lot of naysayers about the Book of Mormon attacking things like there were no elephants in the days of the Book of Mormon concerning both the Jaradites who came over from the Tower of Babel and the people of Lehi in about 600BC. So, here’s an artifact by Hopewell Indians in America. What say you?

Or it teaches the universe was created from existing matter and you can become equal to God?

 

[Cougarbear]

Or it teaches the universe was created from existing matter and you can become equal to God?

Stop saying that because you are false bearing. I’ve been clear, we don’t teach we are equal to God. Our Father in Heaven will always be our Father. He himself said we are as they (the gods) are in Genesis. “We have become as one of us…” and yes, the universe is organized from matter that is not formed for usage for Father’s plan of salvation for us.

 

[ding]

Stop saying that because you are false bearing. I’ve been clear, we don’t teach we are equal to God. Our Father in Heaven will always be our Father. He himself said we are as they (the gods) are in Genesis. “We have become as one of us…” and yes, the universe is organized from matter that is not formed for usage for Father’s plan of salvation for us.

Chapter 27, Section 1

lifeng.lamost.org

Matter creation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Your faith is so wrong about so many things.

 

[Clyde 154]

Stop saying that because you are false bearing. I’ve been clear, we don’t teach we are equal to God. Our Father in Heaven will always be our Father. He himself said we are as they (the gods) are in Genesis. “We have become as one of us…” and yes, the universe is organized from matter that is not formed for usage for Father’s plan of salvation for us.

The word of God explains........we are like "US"...i.e, God because we have the mental capacity/knowledge to know sin from righteousness, there the physical image ends, all that remains is the documented fact that the Spirit if Man is eternal and goes back to God in order to judge. God is eternal.......physical man is not, God is the creator.....man is the created, not to be worshiped, not to become little gods........but to serve the throne of God in heaven after the judgment. Man will always be a servant of God whether alive or dead.....physically or spiritually. (Col. 3:23, Rom. 12:11, Luke 4:8, .......etc, there are some 40+ passages declaring that the duty of man is to serve the Lord)

The created.......man, will never be equal to the Creator God of Heaven.....man will never be worshiped, dead or alive. "For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie; and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, WHO IS BLESSED FOREVER." -- Romans 1:25

 

[Cougarbear]

Chapter 27, Section 1

lifeng.lamost.org

Matter creation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Your faith is so wrong about so many things.

You can't deny what Christ said John 10:34 and then try to say what he said. You falsebear when you do this. We are correct about everything in our Doctrine. It's all from the Godhead of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. I and we say it with authority.