Progressives By GB

[Ame®icano]

Progress and elite.

Two words with positive connotations that have had their derivatives demonized by the right in the last few years.

And they expect people to take them seriously.

Regress.

That’s where liberal progress is taking us to in the last hundred years with assurance that's actually good for us.

How serious are we will be seen in the next elections.

 

[Foxfyre]

I guess the words and the history of progressivism has no relevance, to the opinion of those who are spouting off about progressivism here at the forum.

It isn't that it has no relevance. They have no interest. They are completely ignorant of the principles Beck is reciting in those videos and have zero interest (or probably even ability) to understand them sufficiently to discuss them. So they resort to straw men, red herrings, non sequitur, ad hominem, and snotty insults thinking that is legitimate debate.

There is a HUGE difference between progressiveism as it is practiced in the USA today and conservatism as it is understood by conservatives in the USA today and Beck has devoted a great deal of time and effort to identify those differences.

It's too bad that some can't get past their prejudice and hatred of him and focus on a really interesting topic whether or not they agree with Beck's take on it.

(I will cut VaYank some slack on his initial post in the thread though, because if he is unable to view the videos, he had no way to know who the GB was that was being referenced.)

(Edit: Whoops, I was wrong. I saw his next post and okay. I don't usually put people on ignore, but I can see why you would not waste your time.)

 

[Mr Natural]

Progress and elite.

Two words with positive connotations that have had their derivatives demonized by the right in the last few years.

And they expect people to take them seriously.

Regress.

That’s where liberal progress is taking us to in the last hundred years with assurance that's actually good for us.

How serious are we will be seen in the next elections.

Then why not call them Regressives instead of Progressives?

 

[Foxfyre]

Progress and elite.

Two words with positive connotations that have had their derivatives demonized by the right in the last few years.

And they expect people to take them seriously.

Regress.

That’s where liberal progress is taking us to in the last hundred years with assurance that's actually good for us.

How serious are we will be seen in the next elections.

Then why not call them Regressives instead of Progressives?

The term changes from time to time. They were once called 'conservatives' when they were in the Old Country. Then they were proud of being 'liberal' when it was fashionable to be anti-establishment, anti traditional values, anti-religious, or anti whatever at the time.

When 'liberal' fell out of favor, they adopted the term 'progressive' as opposed to modern US type conservatism or rightwing ideology.

And then when progressivism was being identified with authoritarian socialism and other failed ideologies and political system, they have sort of veered back to using the word 'liberal' more often these days.

I think under the meticulous scrutiny of a Glenn Beck or other high profile figures, you soon won't see them identifying themselves as 'progressives' much for awhile.

As Beck expresses or infers in his illustrated lectures, progressives not only have a very difficult time adequately expressing what they believe and why they believe it, they generally won't. In order to gain recruits or even maintain a degree of respectability, they have to bob and weave and pretend to be something that they obviously aren't when you see what they do as opposed to what they say.

 

[Mr Natural]

Progress and elite.

Two words with positive connotations that have had their derivatives demonized by the right in the last few years.

And they expect people to take them seriously.

The problem is elitism

Elitism is the basis of Americas' foreign policy. The Iraq fiasco was proof of that. The "we know what's best for you" and "we're going to force it on you whether you like it or not" attitude.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Progress and elite.

Two words with positive connotations that have had their derivatives demonized by the right in the last few years.

And they expect people to take them seriously.

The problem is elitism

Elitism is the basis of Americas' foreign policy. The Iraq fiasco was proof of that. The "we know what's best for you" and "we're going to force it on you whether you like it or not" attitude.

I'm aware of this.

That's why people like to fly planes into our buildings and try to blow up our planes.

 

[slackjawed]

It comes as no surprise that progressives on this board act the way all progressives do. Instead of debating facts, they simply resort to insults, ridicule and name-calling, as well as discounting the source.

That's exactly the tactics that their masters have instructed them to engage in.

No surprise at all..........

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Progress and elite.

Two words with positive connotations that have had their derivatives demonized by the right in the last few years.

And they expect people to take them seriously.

The problem is elitism

Elitism is the basis of Americas' foreign policy. The Iraq fiasco was proof of that. The "we know what's best for you" and "we're going to force it on you whether you like it or not" attitude.

In the grand tradition of the CFR and progressive policies.

 

[Mr Natural]

The problem is elitism

Elitism is the basis of Americas' foreign policy. The Iraq fiasco was proof of that. The "we know what's best for you" and "we're going to force it on you whether you like it or not" attitude.

In the grand tradition of the CFR and progressive policies.

You mean like Bush/Cheney?

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Elitism is the basis of Americas' foreign policy. The Iraq fiasco was proof of that. The "we know what's best for you" and "we're going to force it on you whether you like it or not" attitude.

In the grand tradition of the CFR and progressive policies.

You mean like Bush/Cheney?

And other progressives.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

I think Mr.Fitnah must work for Glenn Beck....



Or maybe he IS Glenn Beck.

 

[Foxfyre]

In the grand tradition of the CFR and progressive policies.

You mean like Bush/Cheney?

And other progressives.

Okay, let's try to get back on topic here. It is an interesting topic and I think maybe there are a few people on USMB who aren't full time or part time numbnuts who might like to dicuss it.

Let's look at Beck's opening salvo that Progressiveism really started with Teddy Roosevelt, a Republican, was escalated under Woodrow Wilson, and was stoked up to full steam under FDR.

One of the first major initiatives we acquired through that early Progressiveism was the Fed.

How do ya'll think that is working out?

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

I think Mr.Fitnah must work for Glenn Beck....



Or maybe he IS Glenn Beck.

Beck and I are at odds on Islam, a topic he claim to have done his homework on yet will be forced to revisit in the future.
I am satisfied that he has the historical high ground on progressives and its threat to the constitution .
I have read your position on Beck and his " half truths " for lack of a better term, a claim you have yet to prove in any meaningful manner.

Sure, some progressive ideas helped make the modern world, that does not mean they have not also driven genocidal ideas.
You cannot rest on laurels of progressivism with accepting the thorns.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

I think Mr.Fitnah must work for Glenn Beck....



Or maybe he IS Glenn Beck.

Beck and I are at odds on Islam, a topic he claim to have done his homework on yet will be forced to revisit in the future.
I am satisfied that he has the historical high ground on progressives and its threat to the constitution .
I have read your position on Beck and his " half truths " for lack of a better term, a claim you have yet to prove in any meaningful manner.

Sure, some progressive ideas helped make the modern world, that does not mean they have not also driven genocidal ideas.
You cannot rest on laurels of progressivism with accepting the thorns.

The problem I have with Beck's logic (and yours) is that it assumes that everyone on the left is more dogmatic than actually true.

For instance - yes, "progressivism" (I don't think that word really means anything) as Beck describes it may have driven genocidal ideas.

But who cares?

I, nor anyone I know on the left defends the past ideologies that have been defined as "progressive" - they have no relevance to my political ideals now. "Progressive" ideas may have been used by totalitarian dictatorships - but that doesn't mean its the only way to use the ideas.

It's a logical fallacy - Dictator X was a progressive, therefore all progressives are totalitarian statists - it doesn't work that way.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

I dont know what you believe, You support this Health care reform?
Nothing but a vehicle to exert pressure to control people behavior, Smoking ,eating ,whole life rationing.
The same old stuff.
Support Teachers unions and government schools?

Why dont they teach history? They teach social studies.

The word, "moulded," is instructive because in THE WORLD'S WORK (August 1912), one reads "The Country School of Tomorrow" by GEB chairman Frederick Gates, declaring: "In our dreams, we have limitless resources, and the people yield themselves with perfect docility to our molding hands." Not only was the GEB to be used for social control, but the Rockefeller Foundation as well.

On April 11, 1933, its president , Max Mason, assured trustees that in their program, " the Social Sciences will concern themselves with the rationalization of social control... the control of human behavior." And in July of the very next year (1934), Willard Givens (executive secretary of the National Education Association 1935-1952) declared: " A dying laissez-faire must be completely destroyed and all of us, including the 'owners,' must be subjected to a large degree of social control....An equitable distribution of income will be sought."

 

[theDoctorisIn]

I dont know what you believe, You support this Health care reform?

Nope. I believe reform is nessisary, but I don't support this reform, no.

Nothing but a vehicle to exert pressure to control people behavior, Smoking ,eating ,whole life rationing.
The same old stuff.
Support Teachers unions and government schools?

Very much, almost everyone in my family is a teacher in a public school.

Why dont they teach history? They teach social studies.

The word, "moulded," is instructive because in THE WORLD'S WORK (August 1912), one reads "The Country School of Tomorrow" by GEB chairman Frederick Gates, declaring: "In our dreams, we have limitless resources, and the people yield themselves with perfect docility to our molding hands." Not only was the GEB to be used for social control, but the Rockefeller Foundation as well.

On April 11, 1933, its president , Max Mason, assured trustees that in their program, " the Social Sciences will concern themselves with the rationalization of social control... the control of human behavior." And in July of the very next year (1934), Willard Givens (executive secretary of the National Education Association 1935-1952) declared: " A dying laissez-faire must be completely destroyed and all of us, including the 'owners,' must be subjected to a large degree of social control....An equitable distribution of income will be sought."

This is the problem I have with Beck's logic - it's based on semantics. "Social Studies" is just new-speak - it doesn't mean anything. The semantics aren't important. When "history" class was replaced by "social studies", the curriculum didn't change. In my high school they called it "Humanities" - but it was still the same class. We still learned about history.

Beck's logic is based in the same school of thought as any other conspiracy theorist - overplaying perceived "links" to draw an outrageous conclusion. He's no different from Alex Jones.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

I dont know what you believe, You support this Health care reform?

Nope. I believe reform is nessisary, but I don't support this reform, no.

Nothing but a vehicle to exert pressure to control people behavior, Smoking ,eating ,whole life rationing.
The same old stuff.
Support Teachers unions and government schools?

Very much, almost everyone in my family is a teacher in a public school.

Why dont they teach history? They teach social studies.

The word, "moulded," is instructive because in THE WORLD'S WORK (August 1912), one reads "The Country School of Tomorrow" by GEB chairman Frederick Gates, declaring: "In our dreams, we have limitless resources, and the people yield themselves with perfect docility to our molding hands." Not only was the GEB to be used for social control, but the Rockefeller Foundation as well.

On April 11, 1933, its president , Max Mason, assured trustees that in their program, " the Social Sciences will concern themselves with the rationalization of social control... the control of human behavior." And in July of the very next year (1934), Willard Givens (executive secretary of the National Education Association 1935-1952) declared: " A dying laissez-faire must be completely destroyed and all of us, including the 'owners,' must be subjected to a large degree of social control....An equitable distribution of income will be sought."

This is the problem I have with Beck's logic - it's based on semantics. "Social Studies" is just new-speak - it doesn't mean anything. The semantics aren't important. When "history" class was replaced by "social studies", the curriculum didn't change. In my high school they called it "Humanities" - but it was still the same class. We still learned about history.

Beck's logic is based in the same school of thought as any other conspiracy theorist - overplaying perceived "links" to draw an outrageous conclusion. He's no different from Alex Jones.

Please ignore the progressives who created the modern "education" system.
Social studies consists of down playing the importance of the western culture and making moral equivalency arguments where non exists .
Putting a bone in your nose is not the same thing as putting a man on the moon.
Focusing on Jefferson being a man who exploited slaves is not teaching American history.
Its not semantics.

Im sure you think there is no indoctrination going on.
How much control do teachers have over the textbooks and curriculum ?
Who and how are text books written?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXDlBnc7KHE]YouTube - Text book wars part 1[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnsopw1ViDk]YouTube - Text book wars part 2[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEDlK7JqdgY]YouTube - Text book wars part 3[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EoG89Y47KA]YouTube - Text book wars part 4[/ame]

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Semitics

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04ldKuHxDV8]YouTube - school indoctrination 1[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClFbJ6yBCf0]YouTube - school indoctrination 2[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzXv3J0A_N8]YouTube - school indoctrination 3[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xvW2cqYPtI]YouTube - school indoctrination 4[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDnW0Ak3_78]YouTube - school indoctrination 5[/ame]

 

[ScreamingEagle]

I dont know what you believe, You support this Health care reform?

Nope. I believe reform is nessisary, but I don't support this reform, no.

Nothing but a vehicle to exert pressure to control people behavior, Smoking ,eating ,whole life rationing.
The same old stuff.
Support Teachers unions and government schools?

Very much, almost everyone in my family is a teacher in a public school.

Why dont they teach history? They teach social studies.

The word, "moulded," is instructive because in THE WORLD'S WORK (August 1912), one reads "The Country School of Tomorrow" by GEB chairman Frederick Gates, declaring: "In our dreams, we have limitless resources, and the people yield themselves with perfect docility to our molding hands." Not only was the GEB to be used for social control, but the Rockefeller Foundation as well.

On April 11, 1933, its president , Max Mason, assured trustees that in their program, " the Social Sciences will concern themselves with the rationalization of social control... the control of human behavior." And in July of the very next year (1934), Willard Givens (executive secretary of the National Education Association 1935-1952) declared: " A dying laissez-faire must be completely destroyed and all of us, including the 'owners,' must be subjected to a large degree of social control....An equitable distribution of income will be sought."

This is the problem I have with Beck's logic - it's based on semantics. "Social Studies" is just new-speak - it doesn't mean anything. The semantics aren't important. When "history" class was replaced by "social studies", the curriculum didn't change. In my high school they called it "Humanities" - but it was still the same class. We still learned about history.

Beck's logic is based in the same school of thought as any other conspiracy theorist - overplaying perceived "links" to draw an outrageous conclusion. He's no different from Alex Jones.

Disagree....you change the language you change everything...

Social studies does not necessarily equate to history....or vice versa...

Per wiki...

Social studies is the "integrated study of the social sciences and humanities to promote civic competence," as defined by the National Council for the Social Studies.[

Social science is commonly used as an umbrella term to refer to a plurality of fields outside of the natural sciences. These fields include: anthropology, archaeology, comparative musicology, communication studies, cultural studies, demography, economics, history, human geography, international development, international relations, linguistics, media studies, philology, political science, psychology (at least in part), social work and sociology.

Examples of the disciplines of the humanities are ancient and modern languages, literature, law, history, philosophy, religion, and visual and performing arts (including music). Additional subjects sometimes included in the humanities are technology, anthropology, area studies, communication studies, cultural studies, and linguistics, although these are often regarded as social sciences.

Notice how so many other topics are included....history study kinda gets lost in the mix...it becomes only a side dish to other subjects...not the main focus...

Once our children lose sight of history...and specifically their American history and civics....which are being diluted to zilch in our schools....we lose our country...

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

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