Problem with Special Relativity.

[talanum1]

It is generally known that particles can be "observers". Since there is 10^80 particles in the Universe, in order to compute length and time (using Special Relativity) the Universe has to compute a number: 2 combination 10^80, which is a huge number. That number is much too large to compute in a fraction of a second.

 

[ReinyDays]

I think that should be 10^80 combination 10^80 ... every particle can observe every other particle ... luckily, the act of observing doesn't require the performance of work, so time need not elapse ...

Computation is strictly a human endeavor ... and there's not many humans actually making these computations ... however, what few results we do have all confirm the Lorentz transformation ... and Special Relativity is the theoretical explanation ...

Every individual particle in the entire universe doesn't care and will not participate ... 0 combination 0 ... I blame Democrats, they seem to be the only ones who want to know the length and time of the universe ...

 

[talanum1]

time need not elapse

Time elapses, weather particles observe each other or not.

 

[ReinyDays]

Time elapses, weather particles observe each other or not.

Do you understand the concept of "instantaneous"? ... it means an infinitely short period of time ... which can be proved to be zero over the scalars ... I guess that's college science, sorry about that ...

 

[talanum1]

Time cannot have zero between two instances: there is the Planck time - the smallest interval.

 

[trevorjohnson83]

Time cannot have zero between two instances: there is the Planck time - the smallest interval.

nice did you check out my thread planet like atomic structure ? I'm talking about fractal geometry in that thread if you want to check it out!

 

[ReinyDays]

Time cannot have zero between two instances: there is the Planck time - the smallest interval.

Under Special Relativity ... time is smooth ... to wit:

Remember that the v term above is velocity, which is a derivative with respect to time ... thus our dt time interval is smaller than Planck time ... QM and GR are mutually exclusive ... like mixing oil and water ... it don't work ...

Are we agreed that "computation" is strictly a human endeavor ...

 

[trevorjohnson83]

ReinyDays so even though.....this fella here this....talanum.....is asking you to engage..........with him......an open......mind.........that together both of you.........might.......achieve.......aww heck nevermind knowing you you've probably got your hands full saving penguins or polar bears or something crazy. How's your work in the north arctic going?

 

[ReinyDays]

ReinyDays so even though.....this fella here this....talanum.....is asking you to engage..........with him......an open......mind.........that together both of you.........might.......achieve.......aww heck nevermind knowing you you've probably got your hands full saving penguins or polar bears or something crazy. How's your work in the north arctic going?

I'm agreeing with him ... the problem with Special Relativity is that it excludes Quantum Theory ... very specifically what he brought up ...

Planck Time ...

If that's true, then both Special Relativity and General Relativity are falsified ... and that would be important to the title of the OP ... just remember everything human-sized obeys Newton's Laws ...

 

[trevorjohnson83]

I'm agreeing with him ... the problem with Special Relativity is that it excludes Quantum Theory ... very specifically what he brought up ...

Planck Time ...

If that's true, then both Special Relativity and General Relativity are falsified ... and that would be important to the title of the OP ... just remember everything human-sized obeys Newton's Laws ...

a wooden plank of time?

 

[trevorjohnson83]

plank down some time doing something useful ReinyDays .....aww heck I didn't't mean to get all square on you there, I'm sure you've got a good head on your shoulders to tell when these things are.....true.....

 

[talanum1]

Are we agreed that "computation" is strictly a human endeavor ...

No: how does matter know to shrink and by how much?

The Universe must compute: how else is conservation of energy to work?

 

[ReinyDays]

No: how does matter know to shrink and by how much?

The Universe must compute: how else is conservation of energy to work?

Are we still discussing Special Relativity? ... because these are nonsense questions ...

Why do you think subatomic particles have brains and knowledge? ... how does a hydrogen atom "know" anything? ... besides, matter doesn't shrink when observed in her own frame-of-reference ...

Energy can neither be created nor destroyed ... there's nothing to compute ... besides, the universe doesn't have a brain either, she doesn't care whether energy can be created or destroyed ... she doesn't have fingers to count on ...

Again, sounds like you're trying to lay human emotions across something that has no emotion ...

 

[trevorjohnson83]

ReinyDays so despite talanum's.........best efforts.....to gather........your mind.........to .........embark...........on a journey of discovery..........and........exploration.......aww heck nevermind, you just keep it up donating your time at the kitten hospital I'm sure its keeping you busy!

 

[Chuz Life]

Time elapses, weather particles observe each other or not.

Fascinating. Can you tell us more about "weather particles?"

 

[talanum1]

besides, matter doesn't shrink when observed in her own frame-of-reference

It shrinks relative to a moving frame. Now we have a problem: it shrinks and doesn't shrink. I've read that it really shrinks, not just apparently.

Why do you think subatomic particles have brains and knowledge?

I'm not saying they have brains, just that there is a computer running the Universe.

Conservation of energy can't happen without calculating the before and after energy.

 

[ReinyDays]

It shrinks relative to a moving frame. Now we have a problem: it shrinks and doesn't shrink. I've read that it really shrinks, not just apparently.

I'm not saying they have brains, just that there is a computer running the Universe.

Conservation of energy can't happen without calculating the before and after energy.

Where did you read that? ... it's pretty obvious we don't shrink every time we're observed from a moving frame ...

From "Why Does Length Shrink and Mass Increase at Relativitic Speeds?":

"Length contraction occurs due to the fundamental principles of Einstein's theory of special relativity, where space and time are interconnected in a concept known as spacetime. As an object accelerates and approaches velocities nearing the speed of light, its movement through this spacetime becomes distorted. From the perspective of an observer at rest relative to the moving object, this distortion results in the object appearing shorter or contracted in the direction of its motion. Essentially, the faster the object moves, the more pronounced this alteration of spacetime becomes, leading to the observed contraction in length."

The contraction is only apparent to the stationary observer ... not the object itself ... we don't shrink when Voyager II's cameras point towards us ...

The Conservation of Energy is true whether there's a human to measure or not ... "calculating" is strictly a human endeavor ...

 

[talanum1]

How is conservation of energy implemented without computation?

 

[ReinyDays]

How is conservation of energy implemented without computation?

Conservation Laws aren't implemented ... they just are ... why they're called Laws and not Theories ... like gravity, we don't have to calculate anything to know it is there ... we don't "implement" gravity ... we don't "implement" thermodynamics ...

 

[San Souci]

It is generally known that particles can be "observers". Since there is 10^80 particles in the Universe, in order to compute length and time (using Special Relativity) the Universe has to compute a number: 2 combination 10^80, which is a huge number. That number is much too large to compute in a fraction of a second.

How big would a Googleplex of Neutrons be?