Palestinians prefer Israeli prison over the life in Gaza

[Bonita Louise]

From my research Palestinians didn't object to the annexation by Jordan because most of they Jordan population was Palestinian and by their failure to set up their own government in the territory allotted to them they let the opportunity of sovereignty elude them.

You don't lose inalienable rights to self determination. They still have the right to have their own government and country, but the Israeli's won't let them. Every time they try, the Israeli's attack.

They'd rather war and perpetuate that hatred to their young than build a peaceful and prosperous life for their young. Barbaric and horrific abuse and waste of the gift of this life.

Resisting an occupational force, is not perpetuating war. As far as perpetuating hatred, you have an entire generation of Palestinian's growing up in an occupied territory where they are treated like garbage on a daily basis by the Israeli's. ****, they can't even go fishing, without getting shot at!

You wanna talk about "horrific abuse", who the **** shoots at people fishing?

Talk is cheap..when they have been generously given the means to build and a chance at peace they do not do it and resort to more violence themselves..actions speak louder than words.

Israel government does not want peace, they want all of the land, and there are as many radical Jews who feels the same way as they do.

I agree to the need for control of the land but not that Israel does not want peace..it's the only way the violence will end and a semblance of peace can remain. Perpetrators of violence and hate are who the Palestinians have chosen to become and it has eaten up the love for their fellow man and left them hollow shells of mankind. Still many of us pray for their awakening to the beneficial.

 

[Phoenall]

Whats wrong dildo don't like being shown up for what you really, a NAZI JEW HATER.

You can't be "shown up" by someone who thinks things for no reason whatsoever.

Why don't you take a look on Google for the evidence, I would not want to show you up any more than I really need to.

I'm not going to get your evidence for you! You made the claim, big mouth, you back it up. Get your own evidence.

Which is why you fail every time

I have and you ignore them because you know they show you for the NAZI JEW HATER you are.

 

[Phoenall]

They can outside of the area under occupation, try reading the Geneva conventions and the deliberate targeting of children and civilians.

Well yeah, but we're not talking about that.

Moving the goal posts and shifting the penalty spot will not alter the reality of the Palestinians war crimes and crimes against humanity

 

[Phoenall]

Only to JEW HATERS like yourself.

Why would I hate Jews?

Only you can answer that, all we can say is that you express your hatred for the Jews on this board every time you post.
You might hate the Jews because one turned you down for a date, or you were refused a loan, or sacked from a job, or most likely you are a muslim and have been force fed JEW HATRED since you were a babe in arms.

 

[Phoenall]

From my research Palestinians didn't object to the annexation by Jordan because most of they Jordan population was Palestinian and by their failure to set up their own government in the territory allotted to them they let the opportunity of sovereignty elude them.

You don't lose inalienable rights to self determination. They still have the right to have their own government and country, but the Israeli's won't let them. Every time they try, the Israeli's attack.

They'd rather war and perpetuate that hatred to their young than build a peaceful and prosperous life for their young. Barbaric and horrific abuse and waste of the gift of this life.

Resisting an occupational force, is not perpetuating war. As far as perpetuating hatred, you have an entire generation of Palestinian's growing up in an occupied territory where they are treated like garbage on a daily basis by the Israeli's. ****, they can't even go fishing, without getting shot at!

You wanna talk about "horrific abuse", who the **** shoots at people fishing?

Talk is cheap..when they have been generously given the means to build and a chance at peace they do not do it and resort to more violence themselves..actions speak louder than words.

Israel government does not want peace, they want all of the land, and there are as many radical Jews who feels the same way as they do.

Then do explain why Israel has two peace treaties with Islamic nations that involved giving up land. And that they have offered a peace with the Palestinians since 1967 that the Palestinians have refused citing their charter that states they will never stop fighting until they have all the land from the river to the sea.

 

[montelatici]

Certainly, being in an outdoor prison that is bombed from time to time or an indoor one that is not, the choice is clear.

 

[montelatici]

From my research Palestinians didn't object to the annexation by Jordan because most of they Jordan population was Palestinian and by their failure to set up their own government in the territory allotted to them they let the opportunity of sovereignty elude them.

You don't lose inalienable rights to self determination. They still have the right to have their own government and country, but the Israeli's won't let them. Every time they try, the Israeli's attack.

They'd rather war and perpetuate that hatred to their young than build a peaceful and prosperous life for their young. Barbaric and horrific abuse and waste of the gift of this life.

Resisting an occupational force, is not perpetuating war. As far as perpetuating hatred, you have an entire generation of Palestinian's growing up in an occupied territory where they are treated like garbage on a daily basis by the Israeli's. ****, they can't even go fishing, without getting shot at!

You wanna talk about "horrific abuse", who the **** shoots at people fishing?

Talk is cheap..when they have been generously given the means to build and a chance at peace they do not do it and resort to more violence themselves..actions speak louder than words.

Israel government does not want peace, they want all of the land, and there are as many radical Jews who feels the same way as they do.

Then do explain why Israel has two peace treaties with Islamic nations that involved giving up land. And that they have offered a peace with the Palestinians since 1967 that the Palestinians have refused citing their charter that states they will never stop fighting until they have all the land from the river to the sea.

Israel has never agreed to an sovereign independent Palestinian state. They have only agreed to a Bantustan Palestine.

 

[Billo_Really]

Talk is cheap..when they have been generously given the means to build and a chance at peace they do not do it and resort to more violence themselves..actions speak louder than words.

They have not been given the means to build and they've not been given a chance at peace. I don't know where you get off saying that, because it ain't true.

 

[montelatici]

From my research Palestinians didn't object to the annexation by Jordan because most of they Jordan population was Palestinian and by their failure to set up their own government in the territory allotted to them they let the opportunity of sovereignty elude them.

You don't lose inalienable rights to self determination. They still have the right to have their own government and country, but the Israeli's won't let them. Every time they try, the Israeli's attack.

They'd rather war and perpetuate that hatred to their young than build a peaceful and prosperous life for their young. Barbaric and horrific abuse and waste of the gift of this life.

Resisting an occupational force, is not perpetuating war. As far as perpetuating hatred, you have an entire generation of Palestinian's growing up in an occupied territory where they are treated like garbage on a daily basis by the Israeli's. ****, they can't even go fishing, without getting shot at!

You wanna talk about "horrific abuse", who the **** shoots at people fishing?

Talk is cheap..when they have been generously given the means to build and a chance at peace they do not do it and resort to more violence themselves..actions speak louder than words.

Israel government does not want peace, they want all of the land, and there are as many radical Jews who feels the same way as they do.

I agree to the need for control of the land but not that Israel does not want peace..it's the only way the violence will end and a semblance of peace can remain. Perpetrators of violence and hate are who the Palestinians have chosen to become and it has eaten up the love for their fellow man and left them hollow shells of mankind. Still many of us pray for their awakening to the beneficial.

Killing over a thousand women and children in a few weeks this summer is sure to promote peace. It is the Israelis that are the perpetrators of violence you brainwashed clown.

 

[Humanity]

Why would Jordan or Egypt agree to accept Israels problems?

Israel is the problem

No islam no problems.as the world has seen once they eradicate the muslims. We had no problems with the Jews for 2000 years, the muslims came some 50 years ago and we started to have problems

"We had no problems..."? Who's "we"?

"the world has seen once they eradicate the muslims" Which part of the world was that?

You might find that Christians and Jews have been fighting for millennia!

Can you provide a LINK that proves "muslims came some 50 years ago and we started to have problems"

 

[Humanity]

End of the conflict will only be possible once Israel will take one sided step - for the sake of those innocents also - and build a state for the Palestinians - first under Israeli administration - next to be a fully Palestinians state which in one day might be Israel's peace partner.

Absolutely Daniyel...

The one thing that I would change however, is that administration should be under a third party, not Israel. Practically speaking this would not work. Palestinians would feel that they were being 'controlled', as they are in Gaza, by Israel...

Israel also needs to pull out of, and hand back to the Palestinians, all occupied territory...

 

[aris2chat]

End of the conflict will only be possible once Israel will take one sided step - for the sake of those innocents also - and build a state for the Palestinians - first under Israeli administration - next to be a fully Palestinians state which in one day might be Israel's peace partner.

Absolutely Daniyel...

The one thing that I would change however, is that administration should be under a third party, not Israel. Practically speaking this would not work. Palestinians would feel that they were being 'controlled', as they are in Gaza, by Israel...

Israel also needs to pull out of, and hand back to the Palestinians, all occupied territory...

Palestinians lost that offer. They have to face the new reality before that disappears from the table as well. Israel is not going back some ten years or more. Even year the palestinians don't come to the peace table and negotiate the offers will keep shrinking.
Arabs should have agreed to a state in 1947. Now they have to accept what is left for them in 2015. If they wait another 25 or 30 yrs there may be no land for them at all.

Palestinians have to stop demanding anything from Israel, or anyone else. Now they have to settle for what ever they are offered. What they get or don't get is entirely their own fault, not because they deserve it. Israel has tried to make peace. Palestinians seem to want only war. Sooner or later the genocide the palestinians rant and rave that they have suffered might actually come to pass, they will have triggered it themselves.

It is to the palestinian advantage to accept Israel and learn to work with it instead of against it. Work to make the region a crossroad to the world it could become. There is always hope but the more the hate against Israel, the less hope the world will have of palestinians changing or learning how to actually running a nation that can live in peace in the world of the 21st century. Just handing the palestinians land is not enough if they can't think in terms of a long existence with Israel as their neighbor. A palestinian state should not become a stepping stone to a greater palestine or arab caliphate. A state should not be a first step to ending christiainity or judaism from the region. Nor should it be a step to further secular fighting between sunni and shiite radicals.

Palestinians need to think of a peaceful future not the next jew they can kill.

 

[montelatici]

The Muslims and Christians are already the majority in the land controlled by Israel. They just have to wait until the majority of non-Jews is overwhelming in 20-30 years. Jews have to stop thinking they can kill enough non-Jews to maintain a majority. It isn't going to happen, even if they kill thousands of non-Jews every summer.

 

[Daniyel]

End of the conflict will only be possible once Israel will take one sided step - for the sake of those innocents also - and build a state for the Palestinians - first under Israeli administration - next to be a fully Palestinians state which in one day might be Israel's peace partner.

Absolutely Daniyel...

The one thing that I would change however, is that administration should be under a third party, not Israel. Practically speaking this would not work. Palestinians would feel that they were being 'controlled', as they are in Gaza, by Israel...

Israel also needs to pull out of, and hand back to the Palestinians, all occupied territory...

No doubt both Israel and the Palestinians figured out its best to not involve any third party - something that was failed ever since the British Mandate.
It is something the Palestinian leadership recognized before but they simply incapable of leading, while Israel always been not only the main side of the conflict but also the good example of 'how to build a state' - the Palestinians have no enemies except themselves.
Which means both solutions have to be acceptable for both sides but first of all to Israel - which is why the key is in the hand of Israel -
1.Finding a place to establish a state for the Palestinians that will first of all answer Israel's security needs.
2.Isolate the radical leadership - starting with Gaza - fully eradicate Hamas/PIJ and the rest of the militants - taking them out of the game.
3.Create the state from the ground up - starting by creating a new government for the Palestinians, under Israel's supervision that will coordinate all issues with Israel - starting by building a strong economy based on constructing homes and public facilities - opening almost 700,000 jobs for the Palestinians and starting a Palestinian fully independent economy for the Palestinians - and providing the Palestinian government (this is one of the most important steps) some of Israel's technology for future economic development also possible with Israelis.
4.Evaluate the situation and provide a date for fully independent rule for the Palestinians - when in the meanwhile they'll live under Israeli protection - and start by leading democratically the Palestinians core laws and basically live on their own - when the main issue would be economy and labors - not terrorist organization/radical Islam - but for once - something good for the Palestinians, when the Israeli supervision support the implementation of the laws.
5.Assist WB Palestinians to resettle in the Palestinian state.

 

[Billo_Really]

Palestinians lost that offer. They have to face the new reality before that disappears from the table as well. Israel is not going back some ten years or more. Even year the palestinians don't come to the peace table and negotiate the offers will keep shrinking.
Arabs should have agreed to a state in 1947. Now they have to accept what is left for them in 2015. If they wait another 25 or 30 yrs there may be no land for them at all.

Palestinians have to stop demanding anything from Israel, or anyone else. Now they have to settle for what ever they are offered. What they get or don't get is entirely their own fault, not because they deserve it. Israel has tried to make peace. Palestinians seem to want only war. Sooner or later the genocide the palestinians rant and rave that they have suffered might actually come to pass, they will have triggered it themselves.

It is to the palestinian advantage to accept Israel and learn to work with it instead of against it. Work to make the region a crossroad to the world it could become. There is always hope but the more the hate against Israel, the less hope the world will have of palestinians changing or learning how to actually running a nation that can live in peace in the world of the 21st century. Just handing the palestinians land is not enough if they can't think in terms of a long existence with Israel as their neighbor. A palestinian state should not become a stepping stone to a greater palestine or arab caliphate. A state should not be a first step to ending christiainity or judaism from the region. Nor should it be a step to further secular fighting between sunni and shiite radicals.

Palestinians need to think of a peaceful future not the next jew they can kill.

Your arrogance, is your own worst enemy. Soon, Palestinian statehood will happen whether the Israeli's like it or not. Much like a neutered dog, you don't get it, do you? The world sides with the Palestinian's, not Israel. 60 years ago, the world wouldn't let Hitler annex Poland and they're not going to let you annex the OPT now. Get that through your ******* head! It ain't gonna happen, mother-****** ! It is not your land to give, but it is land you are gonna leave.

Israel's only two choices:

1) leave voluntarily
2) or be forced to​

End of Israeli Occupation of Palestine? PLO Security Council Statehood Bid

On Sunday, chief PLO negotiator/long time Israeli collaborator Saeb Erekat said resolution text language will be submitted Monday to Security Council members.

To end Israeli occupation within two years. Recognize Palestinian statehood. Within 1967 borders. With East Jerusalem its exclusive capital. He’ll meet with John Kerry and Egyptian diplomat/Arab League secretary-general Nabil Elaraby. Early this week. Reportedly Tuesday in London. Erekat saying:

“We want a clear and specific resolution for a Palestinian state on the 1967 borders with Jerusalem as its capital, resolving all the final status issues, releasing all detainees and refugees and labeling settlement activity illegal and should be stopped immediately, including in Jerusalem.”​

Abbas/Erekat et al need only invoke Resolution 377 to achieve official UN statehood recognition.

Over 134 country's recognize Palestinian statehood. Even if the US veto's a UNSC decision, a 2/3's majority in the General Assembly can overturn it.

The Palestinian's choose to be free, rather than live under the sword of Israeli tyranny.

 

[Humanity]

Palestinians lost that offer

Says who? YOU?

 

[Billo_Really]

Here's a short list of Israeli crimes...

Israel systematically violated Cast Lead, Pillar of Cloud, Protective Edge ceasefire terms. Agreed on by both sides following its last three Gaza wars.

On land. Offshore. Israel attacks Gazan farmers. Children. Others on their own land. Up to 1.5 km from Israel’s border.

Well inside its so-called buffer zone. Illegally instituted. Constituting around 17% of Gazan territory.

Over one-third of its arable land is virtually off-limits. Accessed at great risk. Potential death or injury.

Israeli soldiers and border guards licensed to kill. Even young children posing no threat.

Gazan fishermen are routinely attacked at sea. Oslo permitted accessing up to 20 nautical miles (nm). Israel incrementally cut it. Unilaterally. With no authority to do so.

Gazan fishermen are routinely attacked in their own waters. Injuries or deaths risked. Vessels and equipment damaged or confiscated.

Gazans waters a virtual war zone. Unsafe at all times. Depriving fishermen of their livelihoods. Palestinians of badly needed fish.

Who the ****, shoots at people fishing?

I'll tell you.............someone evil, that's who!

 

[Billo_Really]

"We had no problems..."? Who's "we"?

"the world has seen once they eradicate the muslims" Which part of the world was that?

You might find that Christians and Jews have been fighting for millennia!

Can you provide a LINK that proves "muslims came some 50 years ago and we started to have problems"

Providing links, is a waste of time for him.

Lying, is much more energy efficient.

 

[Humanity]

No doubt both Israel and the Palestinians figured out its best to not involve any third party - something that was failed ever since the British Mandate.
It is something the Palestinian leadership recognized before but they simply incapable of leading, while Israel always been not only the main side of the conflict but also the good example of 'how to build a state' - the Palestinians have no enemies except themselves.

I would like to try and believe that Palestinians have no enemies except themselves. Unfortunately, the way the Israeli government is leaning further and further right I really cannot believe that.

Which means both solutions have to be acceptable for both sides but first of all to Israel - which is why the key is in the hand of Israel

The key to peace IS in the hands of Israel. It always has been. It's a shame successive governments have failed to work toward a solution.

1.Finding a place to establish a state for the Palestinians that will first of all answer Israel's security needs.

This is the 2nd 'Israel First' comment Daniyel. If peace is to be achieved there has to be less 'xxxx first' and more trying to find a mutually agreeable solution. Hence the need for a 3rd party... The place to establish a state has already been agreed. Israel needs to withdraw from the occupied territories as a sign of wanting peace.

2.Isolate the radical leadership - starting with Gaza - fully eradicate Hamas/PIJ and the rest of the militants - taking them out of the game.

I agree... Isolate the radical leadership. They are however, an elected body. Take them out of the game politically yes.

3.Create the state from the ground up - starting by creating a new government for the Palestinians, under Israel's supervision that will coordinate all issues with Israel - starting by building a strong economy based on constructing homes and public facilities - opening almost 700,000 jobs for the Palestinians and starting a Palestinian fully independent economy for the Palestinians - and providing the Palestinian government (this is one of the most important steps) some of Israel's technology for future economic development also possible with Israelis.

The state does need building from the ground up but it seems that you are simply suggesting that the Palestinian state will simply be a 'legally' annexed land of Israel. "Under Israel's supervision"? You know as well as I do that isn't acceptable and simply wouldn't work. Hence the need for a 3rd party.

4.Evaluate the situation and provide a date for fully independent rule for the Palestinians - when in the meanwhile they'll live under Israeli protection - and start by leading democratically the Palestinians core laws and basically live on their own - when the main issue would be economy and labors - not terrorist organization/radical Islam - but for once - something good for the Palestinians, when the Israeli supervision support the implementation of the laws.

Independant rule would have to be from day 1, not some future date to be specified by Israel!

5.Assist WB Palestinians to resettle in the Palestinian state.

Interesting... I'm unclear on what you are suggesting with this point and where that leaves East Jerusalem?

 

[Daniyel]

No doubt both Israel and the Palestinians figured out its best to not involve any third party - something that was failed ever since the British Mandate.
It is something the Palestinian leadership recognized before but they simply incapable of leading, while Israel always been not only the main side of the conflict but also the good example of 'how to build a state' - the Palestinians have no enemies except themselves.

I would like to try and believe that Palestinians have no enemies except themselves. Unfortunately, the way the Israeli government is leaning further and further right I really cannot believe that.

Which means both solutions have to be acceptable for both sides but first of all to Israel - which is why the key is in the hand of Israel

The key to peace IS in the hands of Israel. It always has been. It's a shame successive governments have failed to work toward a solution.

1.Finding a place to establish a state for the Palestinians that will first of all answer Israel's security needs.

This is the 2nd 'Israel First' comment Daniyel. If peace is to be achieved there has to be less 'xxxx first' and more trying to find a mutually agreeable solution. Hence the need for a 3rd party... The place to establish a state has already been agreed. Israel needs to withdraw from the occupied territories as a sign of wanting peace.

2.Isolate the radical leadership - starting with Gaza - fully eradicate Hamas/PIJ and the rest of the militants - taking them out of the game.

I agree... Isolate the radical leadership. They are however, an elected body. Take them out of the game politically yes.

3.Create the state from the ground up - starting by creating a new government for the Palestinians, under Israel's supervision that will coordinate all issues with Israel - starting by building a strong economy based on constructing homes and public facilities - opening almost 700,000 jobs for the Palestinians and starting a Palestinian fully independent economy for the Palestinians - and providing the Palestinian government (this is one of the most important steps) some of Israel's technology for future economic development also possible with Israelis.

The state does need building from the ground up but it seems that you are simply suggesting that the Palestinian state will simply be a 'legally' annexed land of Israel. "Under Israel's supervision"? You know as well as I do that isn't acceptable and simply wouldn't work. Hence the need for a 3rd party.

4.Evaluate the situation and provide a date for fully independent rule for the Palestinians - when in the meanwhile they'll live under Israeli protection - and start by leading democratically the Palestinians core laws and basically live on their own - when the main issue would be economy and labors - not terrorist organization/radical Islam - but for once - something good for the Palestinians, when the Israeli supervision support the implementation of the laws.

Independant rule would have to be from day 1, not some future date to be specified by Israel!

5.Assist WB Palestinians to resettle in the Palestinian state.

Interesting... I'm unclear on what you are suggesting with this point and where that leaves East Jerusalem?

There is no 'we' to work with, its only Israel - the stronger and winning side to determine their fate, the train for mutual solution passed a long time ago - Israel first is also the only agreed solution to satisfy Israel because taking third party/solution that won't fit Israel's needs would be disaster for Israel, and the region can easily collapse to radical Islam if not treated carefully which is why I also mentioned everything has to take time and there won't be any peace to dream on before ending the conflict, to think of overnight solution that would bring peace that's insanity, to give it time to make everything happen - when trust could be built in the meanwhile also by strengthening economic ties - that would be peace - when life would be peaceful, the key however is also in the hand of Palestinians but they never put it in the right keyhole - which is why I consider it irrelevant.
Those with Israeli ID in E.Jerusalem are Israelis - no point to argue about that, those without Israeli ID - not.
Now let me give you some examples of third party and what happened you probably know;
1.British Mandate.
2.Oslo Accords (1/2)
3.J.Kerry.
- No good came to both sides except harsh escalation on every ground.