Palestine Before Israel - Maps

[JStone]

Near as I can tell, using Ptolemy's INDEX (the text of his geography no longer exists) written around 150 AC the ROMANS, call the whole region SYRIA.

The Romans called the land of the Jews, Judah, "Judaea," ancestral Jewish land from which "Jew" is derived

After conquering Judaea, the Romans minted Judaea Capta coins [not Palestina capta] to commemorate the event British Museum - Bronze coin of Pontius Pilate, Procurator of Judaea

Judaea Capta coinage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Persians, who preceded both the Greeks and Romans, referred to the ancestral Jewish land of Judah as Yehud, Aramaic for Judah.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Are you still ducking the issues?

Show a change in Palestine's borders since 1922.

Show a dispute between Palestine and its neighbors over borders.

Show a map of Israel.

 

[JStone]

Near as I can tell, using Ptolemy's INDEX (the text of his geography no longer exists) written around 150 AC the ROMANS, call the whole region SYRIA.

The Romans called the land of the Jews, Judah, "Judaea," ancestral Jewish land from which "Jew" is derived

After conquering Judaea, the Romans minted Judaea Capta coins [not Palestina capta] to commemorate the event British Museum - Bronze coin of Pontius Pilate, Procurator of Judaea

Judaea Capta coinage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Persians, who preceded both the Greeks and Romans, referred to the ancestral Jewish land of Judah as Yehud, Aramaic for Judah.

The Jews, who preceded the Persians, referred to their ancestral land as Israel.

Exodus 34:27 Then the LORD said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel

 

[P F Tinmore]

Yep, still ducking.

 

[JStone]

The Romans called the land of the Jews, Judah, "Judaea," ancestral Jewish land from which "Jew" is derived

After conquering Judaea, the Romans minted Judaea Capta coins [not Palestina capta] to commemorate the event British Museum - Bronze coin of Pontius Pilate, Procurator of Judaea

Judaea Capta coinage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Persians, who preceded both the Greeks and Romans, referred to the ancestral Jewish land of Judah as Yehud, Aramaic for Judah.

The Jews, who preceded the Persians, referred to their ancestral land as Israel.

Exodus 34:27 Then the LORD said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel

Eminent Historian Bernard Lewis...

The countries forming the western arm of the Fertile Crescent were called by the names of the various kingdoms and peoples that ruled and inhabited them. Of these, the most familiar, or at least the best documented, are the southern lands, known in the earlier books of the Hebrew Bible and some other ancient writings as Canaan.

After the Israelite conquest and settlement, the area inhabited by them came to be described as "land of the children of Israel" or simply "land of Israel" After the breakup of the kingdom of David and Solomon in the tenth century BCE, the southern part, with Jerusalem as its capital, was called Judah, while the north was called Israel

 

[P F Tinmore]

And besides all that crap.

Show a change in Palestine's borders since 1922.

Show a dispute between Palestine and its neighbors over borders.

Show a map of Israel.

 

[JStone]

The Persians, who preceded both the Greeks and Romans, referred to the ancestral Jewish land of Judah as Yehud, Aramaic for Judah.

The Jews, who preceded the Persians, referred to their ancestral land as Israel.

Exodus 34:27 Then the LORD said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel

Eminent Historian Bernard Lewis...

The countries forming the western arm of the Fertile Crescent were called by the names of the various kingdoms and peoples that ruled and inhabited them. Of these, the most familiar, or at least the best documented, are the southern lands, known in the earlier books of the Hebrew Bible and some other ancient writings as Canaan.

After the Israelite conquest and settlement, the area inhabited by them came to be described as "land of the children of Israel" or simply "land of Israel" After the breakup of the kingdom of David and Solomon in the tenth century BCE, the southern part, with Jerusalem as its capital, was called Judah, while the north was called Israel

Historian Bernard Lewis...

It is by now commonplace that the civilizations of the Middle East are oldest known to human history. They go back thousands of years, much older than the civilizations of India and China, not to speak of other upstart places. It is also interesting, though now often forgotten, that the ancient civilizations of the Middle East were almost totally obliterated and forgotten by their own people as well as by others. Their monuments were defaced or destroyed, their languages forgotten, their scripts forgotten, their history forgotten and even their identities forgotten.

All that was known about them came from one single source, and that is Israel, the only component of the ancient Middle East to have retained their identity, their memory, their language and their books. For a very long time, up to comparatively modern times, with rare exceptions all that was known about the ancient Middle East--the Babylonians, the Egyptians and the rest--was what the Jewish tradiiton has preserved.

 

[JStone]

The Jews, who preceded the Persians, referred to their ancestral land as Israel.

Exodus 34:27 Then the LORD said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel

Eminent Historian Bernard Lewis...


Historian Bernard Lewis...

It is by now commonplace that the civilizations of the Middle East are oldest known to human history. They go back thousands of years, much older than the civilizations of India and China, not to speak of other upstart places. It is also interesting, though now often forgotten, that the ancient civilizations of the Middle East were almost totally obliterated and forgotten by their own people as well as by others. Their monuments were defaced or destroyed, their languages forgotten, their scripts forgotten, their history forgotten and even their identities forgotten.

All that was known about them came from one single source, and that is Israel, the only component of the ancient Middle East to have retained their identity, their memory, their language and their books. For a very long time, up to comparatively modern times, with rare exceptions all that was known about the ancient Middle East--the Babylonians, the Egyptians and the rest--was what the Jewish tradiiton has preserved.

Bernard Lewis...

The adjective Palestinian is comparatively new. This, I need hardly remind you, is a region of ancient civilization and of deep-rooted and often complex identitites. But, Palestine was not one of them. People might identify themselves for various purposes, by religion, by descent, or by allegiance to a particular state or ruler, or, sometimes, locality. But, when they did it locally it was generally either the city and the immediate district or the larger province, so they would have been Jerusalemites or Jaffaites or Syrians, identifying province of Syria

The constitution or the formation of a political entity called Palestine which eventually gave rise to a nationality called Palestinian were lasting innovations of the British Mandate [1922-1948]

 

[P F Tinmore]

How many pages of deflection are you going to post before you get to the issues?

Show a change in Palestine's borders since 1922.

Show a dispute between Palestine and its neighbors over borders.

Show a map of Israel.

 

[JStone]

Eminent Historian Bernard Lewis...


Historian Bernard Lewis...

Bernard Lewis...

The adjective Palestinian is comparatively new. This, I need hardly remind you, is a region of ancient civilization and of deep-rooted and often complex identitites. But, Palestine was not one of them. People might identify themselves for various purposes, by religion, by descent, or by allegiance to a particular state or ruler, or, sometimes, locality. But, when they did it locally it was generally either the city and the immediate district or the larger province, so they would have been Jerusalemites or Jaffaites or Syrians, identifying province of Syria

The constitution or the formation of a political entity called Palestine which eventually gave rise to a nationality called Palestinian were lasting innovations of the British Mandate [1922-1948]

No "Palestine" No history of "Palestine"

Historian Sir Martin Gilbert, Author of 10 Books on Jewish and Middle East History

On August 18 Yasir Arafat, speaking as head of the Palestinian National Authority in Gaza and Jericho, told Arab youngsters at a summer camp, "Those of you who lit the intifada fire must now act as defenders of this young state, whose capital is Jerusalem. It is Bir Salem [the fountain of Salem]. Salem was one of the Canaanite Kings, one of our forefathers. This city is the capital of our children and our children's children. If not for this belief and conviction of the Palestinian nation, this people would have been erased from the face of the earth, as were so many other nations."

King Salem is a newcomer on the historical scene. No such Canaanite, Jebusite or Philistine king is known to history

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxAKFlpdcfc]Applause - YouTube[/ame]

 

[JStone]

And, did you know that Jesus Christ was really a muslime palesteenian in the fake history of Palestine?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWLyVU0Otlk]Arafat said Jesus was a Palestinian. Palestinian author and TV host agree. - YouTube[/ame]


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[Jos]

How many pages of deflection are you going to post before you get to the issues?

Show a change in Palestine's borders since 1922.

Show a dispute between Palestine and its neighbors over borders.

Show a map of Israel.

He knows he cant

 

[JStone]

Eminent Historian Bernard Lewis

The adjective Palestinian is comparatively new. This, I need hardly remind you, is a region of ancient civilization and of deep-rooted and often complex identitites. But, Palestine was not one of them. People might identify themselves for various purposes, by religion, by descent, or by allegiance to a particular state or ruler, or, sometimes, locality. But, when they did it locally it was generally either the city and the immediate district or the larger province, so they would have been Jerusalemites or Jaffaites or Syrians, identifying with the larger province of Syria

The constitution or the formation of a political entity called Palestine which eventually gave rise to a nationality called Palestinian were lasting innovations of the British Mandate [1922-1948]

It is by now commonplace that the civilizations of the Middle East are oldest known to human history. They go back thousands of years, much older than the civilizations of India and China, not to speak of other upstart places. It is also interesting, though now often forgotten, that the ancient civilizations of the Middle East were almost totally obliterated and forgotten by their own people as well as by others. Their monuments were defaced or destroyed, their languages forgotten, their scripts forgotten, their history forgotten and even their identities forgotten.

All that was known about them came from one single source, and that is Israel, the only component of the ancient Middle East to have retained their identity, their memory, their language and their books. For a very long time, up to comparatively modern times, with rare exceptions all that was known about the ancient Middle East--the Babylonians, the Egyptians and the rest--was what the Jewish tradiiton has preserved.

American Library Association

"For more than four decades, Bernard Lewis has been one of the most respected scholars and prolific writers on the history and politics of the Middle East. In this compilation of more than 50 journal articles and essays, he displays the full range of his eloquence, knowledge, and insight regarding this pivotal and volatile region."
Oxford University Press: Faith and Power: Bernard Lewis

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Xrnw-yIc9w]The True History of Palestine - YouTube[/ame]

 

[P F Tinmore]

How many pages of deflection are you going to post before you get to the issues?

Show a change in Palestine's borders since 1922.

Show a dispute between Palestine and its neighbors over borders.

Show a map of Israel.

He knows he cant

That is because:

There have been no changes in Palestine's borders since 1922.

There have been no border disputes between Palestine and its neighbors.

There are no maps of Israel.

 

[JStone]

Biblical Historian and Scholar Dr. Paula Fredriksen, Ph.D, History of Religion, Princeton University, Diploma in Theology, Oxford University

The Judean revolt against Rome was led by [Jewish messiah] Bar Kochba in 132-135 CE. The immediate causes of this rebellion are obscure. Its result was not: [Roman Emperor] Hadrian crushed the revolt and banned Jews from Judea.

The Romans now designated this territory by a political neologism, "Palestine" [a Latin form of "Philistine"], in a deliberate effort to denationalize Jewish/Judean territory. And, finally, Hadrian eradicated Jewish Jerusalem, erecting upon its ruins a new pagan city, Aelia Capitolina.
Random House, Inc. Academic Resources | Augustine and the Jews by Paula Fredriksen

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Xrnw-yIc9w]The True History of Palestine - YouTube[/ame]

 

[P F Tinmore]

More deflection.

 

[JStone]

John 12:13 They took palm branches and went out to meet him, shouting, “Hosanna! “Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord! “Blessed is the king of Israel!”




[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Xrnw-yIc9w]The True History of Palestine - YouTube[/ame]

 

[P F Tinmore]

More deflection.

 

[JStone]

John 1:49 Then Nathanael declared, "Rabbi, you are the Son of God; you are the King of Israel."




[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Xrnw-yIc9w]The True History of Palestine - YouTube[/ame]

 

[P F Tinmore]

More deflection.

Show a change in Palestine's borders since 1922.

Show a dispute between Palestine and its neighbors over borders.

Show a map of Israel.