Operation Rescue Nets 70,000 pedoscums

[JBeukema]

Age and maturity... do keep in mind that females generally mature faster than males both physically and psychologically

 

[Lyte]

Actually, I still think we are on slightly different pages. My view is that a mature adult who is interested in a pubescent girl of, say, 13, is pretty sick. The issue that I find interesting is at what age it stops being sick and becomes solely criminal. Is it 15? Is it 17? Is it 19 (even though that's above the age of consent in most places)? Does it vary by geography? Does it vary by apparent age rather than actual age?

Your view appears to be that a mature adult can be attracted to a young person who is between the onset of puberty and the age of consent and that acting on this attraction is merely criminal and not necessarily perverted. I disagree. I think that a mature adult can find a young person attractive (i.e. pretty or handsome), but to be sexually attracted to a young teen is something I find very hard to understand and pretty hard to stomach.

My daughter is 13. She has a number of school friends who are 13, 14 or even 15. Some of them are very pretty, but if I were sexually attracted to any of them I would worry that there was something wrong with me, except if I were in the same broad age range as they were.

Interesting discussion.

My thesis is that when a female starts to show her physical readiness, breasts start to show her hips widen etc. she starts to attract males - naturally. I don't think we can decide on the age when this biological attraction begins as some females mature faster and others slower. Even though I believe this attraction to be natural, I'm not defending mens right to have sex with girls under the age of consent. I'm against labeling these men (these men, not other pedophiles) as perverts, because that would implicate that they have a sexual abnormality which might be able to be treated somehow, to me that would be a waste of time as I don't believe there is a curable condition.

 

[martybegan]

From the article I read, the age range of the victims was from 7-14, and involved boys. From this it would imply the perperators were true pedophiles, i.e. deviants with a sexual attraction to pre-pubescents.

The puberty line, while not important in a legal standing, is important from a pyschological standpoint.

Attraction sexually to a person post puberty, disregarding legal status, is biologically normal. Attraction to a person pre puberty is 100% biologically abnormal, as the sexual attraction is biologically useless.

Part of the problem is the media's use of the word pedophile when discribing any sexual attraction or acts prior to the age of consent, when from a pyschological standpoint, the only true pedophillia is attraction to pre-pubescent individuals.

After puberty, the proper term is pederasty, which isnt usually used by the media at all.

From the article, the perps here appear to be true pedophiles, and as such, should NEVER be allowed back into society again.

 

[dilloduck]

Age and maturity... do keep in mind that females generally mature faster than males both physically and psychologically

Setting and arbitrary age of consent doesn't appear to be very successful. Are two 15 year olds both charged with a crime for having consensual sex ?

 

[JBeukema]

Age and maturity... do keep in mind that females generally mature faster than males both physically and psychologically

Setting and arbitrary age of consent doesn't appear to be very successful. Are two 15 year olds both charged with a crime for having consensual sex ?

My understanding of the law is that it's not a crime, assuming both are of sound mind and all.

There was a thread a while back, though, about how if she sends him a topless pic, it's considered child pornography

 

[dilloduck]

Age and maturity... do keep in mind that females generally mature faster than males both physically and psychologically

Setting and arbitrary age of consent doesn't appear to be very successful. Are two 15 year olds both charged with a crime for having consensual sex ?

My understanding of the law is that it's not a crime, assuming both are of sound mind and all.

There was a thread a while back, though, about how if she sends him a topless pic, it's considered child pornography

damn it's good to not be a teenage or have one.

 

[tigerbob]

Actually, I still think we are on slightly different pages. My view is that a mature adult who is interested in a pubescent girl of, say, 13, is pretty sick. The issue that I find interesting is at what age it stops being sick and becomes solely criminal. Is it 15? Is it 17? Is it 19 (even though that's above the age of consent in most places)? Does it vary by geography? Does it vary by apparent age rather than actual age?

Your view appears to be that a mature adult can be attracted to a young person who is between the onset of puberty and the age of consent and that acting on this attraction is merely criminal and not necessarily perverted. I disagree. I think that a mature adult can find a young person attractive (i.e. pretty or handsome), but to be sexually attracted to a young teen is something I find very hard to understand and pretty hard to stomach.

My daughter is 13. She has a number of school friends who are 13, 14 or even 15. Some of them are very pretty, but if I were sexually attracted to any of them I would worry that there was something wrong with me, except if I were in the same broad age range as they were.

Interesting discussion.

My thesis is that when a female starts to show her physical readiness, breasts start to show her hips widen etc. she starts to attract males - naturally. I don't think we can decide on the age when this biological attraction begins as some females mature faster and others slower. Even though I believe this attraction to be natural, I'm not defending mens right to have sex with girls under the age of consent. I'm against labeling these men (these men, not other pedophiles) as perverts, because that would implicate that they have a sexual abnormality which might be able to be treated somehow, to me that would be a waste of time as I don't believe there is a curable condition.

I understand your distinction, but I stand by the point I made earlier, which is that of judging others by my own standards.

I'm in my mid 40s. If I found myself sexually attracted to a 15 year old girl I would know that there was something very wrong with that. If I chose to act on those feelings, I would consider myself to be behaving in a manner that was not only criminal but also rather sick.

The flipside of that coin is that, IMO, another person who does not have that mental 'off switch' would be the sort of person that I think needs help. There is a distinction to be made between curing a condition and suppressing inappropriate feelings.

 

[George Costanza]

When I was 18 or so, and doing the things all young men do with 18-year-old females at that point in their lives, I can remember thinking:"Golly, what happens when I am 80 years old. Will I be as attracted to an 80-year-old woman as I am now, at the age of l8, to an l8-year-old woman?" I figured the answer to that one was yes - that this was all part of God's plan and that everything would remain relative between the sexes as we aged together.

Um . . . had to rethink that one, I'm afraid. I hasten to point out that I have not reached the age of 80 yet. Let's just say I am nearing retirement age and I have already seen the answer. To illustrate: Stop the next 80-year-old guy you see on the street and ask him a couple of questions. Are you still interested in sex? Chances are he is. If he says he is, then ask him the more important question. "Who would you rather have sex with - the best looking 80-year-old woman in the world, or some hot, 18-year-old chick?

I would suspect that if you bumped that age down to 16 or even 15, the old boy would still go for youth.

 

[iggy pop]

An Internet pedophile ring with up to 70,000 members — thought to be the world's largest —has been uncovered by police, a security official said Wednesday.

The European police agency Europol said in a statement that "Operation Rescue" had identified 670 suspects and that 230 abused children in 30 countries had been taken to safety. More children are expected to be found, Europol said.

It said that so far 184 people had been arrested and investigations in some countries were continuing. Most of those detained are suspected of direct involvement in sexually abusing children.

They include teachers, police officers and scout leaders, AP reported. One Spaniard who worked at summer youth camps is suspected of abusing some 100 children over five years.

Europol director Rob Wainwright said Wednesday the ring, which communicated using an Internet forum, was "probably the largest online pedophile network in the world."

"Those who have been members of the site can expect a knock on the door in the very near future," he said.

Massive pedophile ring busted; 230 kids saved - U.S. news - Crime & courts - msnbc.com

So disturbing. I am blown away by that number.

Wow. That number made my eyes bug out. Sick