Open carry firearms.. Our 2nd amendment right!!

[Alvin]

This blog is entirely my own work and research...reproduce it freely in support of the 2nd amendment.

Murder - Crime in the United States 2004

There is 44% odd that can't be accounted for. But for those who the killer is known breakdown for the relationship to the victim breaks down thusly:

Of the homicides for which law enforcement provided supplemental data to the UCR Program, the victim-offender relationship was unknown for 44.1 percent of the victims. For the incidents in which the relationships were known, 76.8 percent of the victims knew their killers and 23.2 percent were slain by strangers. Among the incidents in which the victims knew their killers, 29.8 percent were murdered by family members and 70.2 percent were killed by acquaintances. (Based on Table 2.11.) The 2004 data also revealed that 33.0 percent of female victims were killed by their husbands or boyfriends, and 2.7 percent of the male victims were slain by their wives or girlfriends.



NOTE: This table is based upon incidents where some information about the offender is known by
law enforcement. It excludes incidents reported with a value of "unknown offender."

 

[Missourian]

Thought it looked big. And that pistol looks like a BAP 9MM copy.
Good little pistol. It's tough to get a license for that here. .357 no problem, or 5.7 no problems either. But the cops get nervous about 9MM or .45

Sorry Alvin, I missed this post the first time around.

If you're referring to the pistol on the right, it is a Star Arms BKM 9mm.

It was manufactured in Spain and it's brother the BM 9mm was the Spanish Police and Military service weapon for nearly two decades.

It is a 3/4 scale copy of the Browning designed M1911 I carried in the service.

The BKM is a compact aluminum framed single action 8+1 semiautomatic BM derivative.

Here' are a few links if you're interested.

http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/Critical Look at Star Model BM.htm

Star Model BM - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Bonifacio_Echeverria,_S.A.

M1911 pistol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Missourian]

This blog is entirely my own work and research...reproduce it freely in support of the 2nd amendment.

Murder - Crime in the United States 2004

There is 44% odd that can't be accounted for. But for those who the killer is known breakdown for the relationship to the victim breaks down thusly:

Of the homicides for which law enforcement provided supplemental data to the UCR Program, the victim-offender relationship was unknown for 44.1 percent of the victims. For the incidents in which the relationships were known, 76.8 percent of the victims knew their killers and 23.2 percent were slain by strangers. Among the incidents in which the victims knew their killers, 29.8 percent were murdered by family members and 70.2 percent were killed by acquaintances. (Based on Table 2.11.) The 2004 data also revealed that 33.0 percent of female victims were killed by their husbands or boyfriends, and 2.7 percent of the male victims were slain by their wives or girlfriends.



NOTE: This table is based upon incidents where some information about the offender is known by
law enforcement. It excludes incidents reported with a value of "unknown offender."

Thanks for the link, I'll review the statistics.

 

[frazzledgear]

Horseshit.

The Japanese have almost no firearm homicides.

How would you suggest parting people from their firearms -when there are more guns in this country than there are people? Since the right to keep and bear arms was claimed to be a right of WE THE PEOPLE on the grounds that ALL forms of government can go bad and turn on their own citizens, and that WE THE PEOPLE always have the right to defend ourselves from our own government in that event - and the vast majority of gun owners will NOT just lie down and peacefully fork them over to government -your options about how to enforce a nationwide gun ban are severely limited. So how you gonna do it?

If you use the force of government to kick in people's doors and grab their guns or in any way use the force and power of government to enforce such a ban -you will have actually proven the founders' greatest fears were absolutely correct in the first place. Government trying to enforce such a ban will result in FAR more bloodshed at the hands of previously law abiding citizens who refuse to comply with forfeiting their RIGHT - than the accumulated bloodshed committed by the tiny minority of all gun owners in this country in our entire history who chose to commit a crime using a gun.

For the life of me I have NEVER understood the left who keeps insisting that because a tiny minority of people will ALWAYS end up abusing their rights in some way and in EVERY society - it means the vast majority who never do -must all lose THEIR rights. Punish the criminal for what he DID - not the weapon he chose to do it with -otherwise with the leftist mentality even pencils should be outlawed. And don't laugh -in the UK just a few years ago, a member of Parliament actually suggested there was a need to outlaw POINTED knives in the UK and require all knives to have rounded tips because of the number of people murdered with a knife -which is per capita higher than in the US. THAT is the stupid ass left-wing mentality that thinks government's real job is to protect a person from himself in every possible way, right down to his choice of utensils for chopping vegetables apparently. Just in case he decides to stop chopping vegetables and wants to start chopping on another person. Oh sure, if he only had a round tipped knife instead..... And if we remove baseball bats, tire irons and ROCKS, surely we will end up with a PERFECT society.

 

[JD_2B]

Good Grief!! Who gives a shit what is safer????? I mean, hell- it would be safer for kids, to outlaw swimming pools!! More kids die from fucking drownings every year than by firearm accidents!! Do you see the Brady Campaign even INFORMING their minions about that little fact?? NOOOO... Of course not!!!
So who fucking cares?
I mean, really- if people actually HAVE a pool in their yard, then why the fuck wouldn't they have a gun, as well.. We don't give a shit how unsafe the pool is, how unsafe the fucking sliding board on the playground is, or how unsafe it is to leave a freakin hair dryer plugged in next to the sink, while the 2 year old brushes their teeth, do we now..
Now these SAME idiotic and let me say for another fact- IGNORANT ass people, will say that they are so scared of having a gun in their house. Give me a fucking break.

These are the same people who might use a radiator that plugs into the wall, with TODDLERS running around the house. HOW RETARDED IS THAT SHIT.

These are the same people who build a treehouse in a tree that is 50 feet off the ground.. because that is OH SO INTELLIGENT, right.. So safe for the kids.. Its all about safety first, right?? My ASS it is.

Then you have all these idiots who swing through McDonalds with the kids, or better yet, "for the kids", three times a fucking week, and their kids are all OBESE and lucky that they have lived to be 13 years old, already, or are 6 and 7 years old, about to find out they have DEADLY childhood diabetes..

Oh and lets not forget the fucking morons on welfare (oh these ones are my favorite to bash) who wear all name brand shit, who buy their kids second hand clothes, etc, etc, and sit there bitching about how bad the school system is, or about how boring their kid's child care facility is, etc, and yet their kid doesn't even have ONE book, or toy. For these people, its all about being selfish and finding something to bitch about, because they cant get their own shit straight. They, too, are "pro-government" (but of course)- their income depends on it.

I am sick and damn tired of hearing all their bitching, myself. Guns are NOT safe. Duh. We all know that already.

Neither is drinking large quantities of alcohol, neither is smoking in bed, neither is having an indoor fire (yeah its called a fireplace- but it is still unsafe), neither is walking alone at night, neither is giving a teenager a cell phone (for sexting?? Jesus!), blah blah, blah...

But everyone does that shit, so deal with the fucking guns, already. We put up will all your shit, don't we?

First- disarm the police, and military, as long as they are not on a SWAT team, or in battle. THEN talk to us about OUR guns.. =)

 

[JD_2B]

Anyways, poverty and income inequality seems to be the closest thing associated with violent crime...

Poverty, Income Inequality, and Violent Crime: A Meta-Analysis of Recent Aggregate Data Studies -- Hsieh and Pugh 18 (2): 182 -- Criminal Justice Review

Not that it matters here, because we are NOT going to become a communist country..

 

[Yukon]

I despise the Police.

 

[germanguy]

Anyways, poverty and income inequality seems to be the closest thing associated with violent crime...

Poverty, Income Inequality, and Violent Crime: A Meta-Analysis of Recent Aggregate Data Studies -- Hsieh and Pugh 18 (2): 182 -- Criminal Justice Review

Not that it matters here, because we are NOT going to become a communist country..

Just to counter your point:

You can drown in a swimming pool, but robbing a shop with it is far more difficult.
Same applies for the radiator plugged in the wall or the hairdryer.
All these candidates for the Darwin Award sort themselves out of the human gene pool, so let´s be thankful.
But give these morons a gun and they can become, even if uneducated, stupid or retarded, very dangerous. So, a stupid individual being with a swimming-pool is only a danger to himself, with a gun it can become an armed robber.

Anyway...

I it still a sad fact, that in your country more people are killed with firearms in proportion to the number of people than in any other western country. I really doubt, that this is either all done in self-defense or by the state.

Nonetheless, as people like you obviously believe, that without personal ownership of firearms they will either be totally defenseless or the country will become communist.
(Although the latter argument is rather stupid: the countries in Eastern Europe become communist after WW II either out of their own will or because the Red Army occupied them. What is rather an argument to have a large enough army to keep other armies out than for arming individuals).

I would say, it pretty much does not change the crime rate very much if guns are available, it simply makes things far more messy.

In one of your posts you have told about your the husband who shot at his wife during a quarrel.
I think this is rather a good argument not to put firearms much in circulation.

For you it is an argument to have one as well, for me it is an argument to take it away from everybody. Perhaps he would still be after you, but it will rather raise the chances that one of you or both of you will survive.

As I see it, this issue is a very good example, how very different societies perceive things.

We Germans pretty much believe in controlling, checking and regulating things.
If you buy a radiator here, you can in most cases expect, that it will not malfunction or becoming too hot to hurt someone.

Same with firearms. You can buy them, but you will need a license from police and you can use them only in areas limited to the use of arms, like firing ranges in sports clubs or for the hunt (for which you will need an extra license). Apart from that you are nowhere in Germany allowed to carry a loaded gun in the open. Even soldiers are not allowed to do so.

As I know that these kind of regulations are rather inacceptable to a lot of people in the US, I rather doubt that this kind of attitude will ever be predominant with you.
But still, less people dead.

So, are we less free here than you in the US ?
Well, less fear is one thing nice to have, but I do not miss any gun.

But perhaps I am just a slave to my socialist government.

Gotta rattle my chains now...

regards
ze germanguy

 

[Contumacious]

it still a sad fact, that in your country more people are killed with firearms in proportion to the number of people than in any other western country.

Even if true, it will take a long time to catch up to the 6,000,000 that your leaders incinerated/gassed alive .

In our household we have numerous firearms. Our children and grandchildren come to visit and stay for weeks. There has never been a problem. So we should not be penalized because others use their weapons irresponsibly.

ze yankee.

 

[Claudette]

And that's the long and the short of it.

T he police, God bless them,d are reactive.

An armed citizen is proactiave.

A citizen withh an open carry firearm is a deterrent.

We have a little bit of a plan at our house for any threatening circumstances. I hold 'em off with the pistol while my wife grabs the shotgun. It's a semi-auto with extended mag and laser sight so she has tactical advantage over anything in close quarters except for a fully automatic submachine gun. Last night was the first time we used the plan it but it feels good to know that we can defend ourselves.

Awww yes. The shotgun. My weapon of choice.

Of course any dirtbags who break into my house must first get by by 90 pound German Shepherd. If they manage to get by Andy, then they will meet my shotgun up close and very personal. If it comes down to me walking away or them, it will be me and if they die in the process. Oh WEll.

 

[Diuretic]

I despise the Police.

We're not that fond of you either Yukon

 

[germanguy]

it still a sad fact, that in your country more people are killed with firearms in proportion to the number of people than in any other western country.

Even if true, it will take a long time to catch up to the 6,000,000 that your leaders incinerated/gassed alive .

In our household we have numerous firearms. Our children and grandchildren come to visit and stay for weeks. There has never been a problem. So we should not be penalized because others use their weapons irresponsibly.

ze yankee.

Good eveniling Yank,

never said that you or someone else killed his grandchildren.

As said before, I do not see that responsible and law-abiding citizens form a problem in any form. It is the overall availability which is one, IMHO.

And to put it in the right proportion:

It were actually 11 million gassed and labored to death, of these approx. 1.5. million were killed not in KZs but by Firing Squads. This was not possible because those 11 million did not resist, but because the German Army had previously occupied nearly all of Europe.

So, to revert this, it took a world coalition and fifty million death.

No debate about this, but do you really think this happened, because no one resisted ?
There was a sizeable resistance in nearly every occupied country and they used everything available to them to get rid of the Germans. But it still took 20 million dead Soviets and 500.000 US Soldiers and 500.000 Brits to beat the Nazis.

So, it was not a question if private firearms were available, but how to beat the German Army. For this you needed an army as well.

Some Germans tried to kill Hitler. It was tried 47 times (if I recall the numbers correctly). People tried to shoot him, used explosives etc. And arms in Germany were quite as available then as today (which means quite a lot)

What this has to do with the 2nd amendment I do not understand.
Does your Government plan a Genocide ? Even then your pile of weapons might be as helpful to the victims as it was to the Indians 200 years ago.

You need a well-organized army to stop another one.
Some people with firearms will be, in opposition to this, simply a nuisance. And so it will be very brave, but in most cases rather useless.

regards
ze germanguy

 

[frazzledgear]

I despise the Police.

Your signature line is sheer idiocy -and only proves you haven't a clue what freedom is. It is nothing but DECEIT to spread the notion that "freedom" just means whether or not existing laws let you freely indulge in your own selfish and immoral desires or not. THAT has absolutely NOTHING to do with freedom. Freedom isn't about ANY specific laws you live under whatsoever. It isn't whether you get to kill your unwanted unborn child. It isn't whether you get to buy the sexual services of another person and it isn't whether you get to openly buy marijuana or not.

Don't you REALLY get it? Freedom is about WHO GETS TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT YOU GET TO DO ANY OF THOSE THINGS!

Government simply forcing its will upon the people against their will is TYRANNY -not freedom you idiot. And because you placed far more value on the particular laws than on TRUE freedom of who gets to decide these things -you are willing to forfeit your freedoms just to get the laws you PERSONALLY want whether everyone else wants them as well or not! And want them even if the majority oppose it. Again, THAT is not "freedom" but TYRANNY. So insisting that tyranny is actually freedom is one of the biggest LEFT WING lies around. One of their favorites in fact.

If government imposes its will on everyone and denies them all the ability to decide the issue themselves - the fact you happen to LIKE what they imposed on everyone else against their will in NO WAY makes you more "free" than those who didn't like it. It just means you are either so ignorant about what real freedom is UNTIL it is YOUR ox being gored by such government coercion -or you would gladly forfeit your rights of self-determination for a totalitarian government. And in typical liberal mentality -are willing to sell off everyone else's freedom along with it even though THEY place far greater value on their freedom and are NOT willing to forfeit their REAL freedom.

You stick with Canada with its government-mandated state of utter mediocrity and butt out so that Americans can continue to claim their political and economic freedom - and excel. Which will allow smug, arrogant Canadians like you to continue being a parasite and benefit from our own achievements -while pretending you are more "free" and actually morally superior in some phony ass way. When you are neither.

And sure you despise the police -until YOU happen to be the victim of a crime. If you have laws forbidding someone from preying on another one, then how would you enforce such a thing without police? Or do you want the "freedom" to victimize whoever you want along with stripping everyone else of their true freedoms?

 

[B94]

Quotes from germanguy

So, from your perspective we are pussies.

Yes

From our perspective you are guncrazy lunatics.

Good

But perhaps I am just a slave to my socialist government

.

Perhaps

 

[JD_2B]

I despise the Police.

Your signature line is sheer idiocy -and only proves you haven't a clue what freedom is. It is nothing but DECEIT to spread the notion that "freedom" just means whether or not existing laws let you freely indulge in your own selfish and immoral desires or not. THAT has absolutely NOTHING to do with freedom. Freedom isn't about ANY specific laws you live under whatsoever. It isn't whether you get to kill your unwanted unborn child. It isn't whether you get to buy the sexual services of another person and it isn't whether you get to openly buy marijuana or not.

Don't you REALLY get it? Freedom is about WHO GETS TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT YOU GET TO DO ANY OF THOSE THINGS!

Government simply forcing its will upon the people against their will is TYRANNY -not freedom you idiot. And because you placed far more value on the particular laws than on TRUE freedom of who gets to decide these things -you are willing to forfeit your freedoms just to get the laws you PERSONALLY want whether everyone else wants them as well or not! And want them even if the majority oppose it. Again, THAT is not "freedom" but TYRANNY. So insisting that tyranny is actually freedom is one of the biggest LEFT WING lies around. One of their favorites in fact.

If government imposes its will on everyone and denies them all the ability to decide the issue themselves - the fact you happen to LIKE what they imposed on everyone else against their will in NO WAY makes you more "free" than those who didn't like it. It just means you are either so ignorant about what real freedom is UNTIL it is YOUR ox being gored by such government coercion -or you would gladly forfeit your rights of self-determination for a totalitarian government. And in typical liberal mentality -are willing to sell off everyone else's freedom along with it even though THEY place far greater value on their freedom and are NOT willing to forfeit their REAL freedom.

You stick with Canada with its government-mandated state of utter mediocrity and butt out so that Americans can continue to claim their political and economic freedom - and excel. Which will allow smug, arrogant Canadians like you to continue being a parasite and benefit from our own achievements -while pretending you are more "free" and actually morally superior in some phony ass way. When you are neither.

And sure you despise the police -until YOU happen to be the victim of a crime. If you have laws forbidding someone from preying on another one, then how would you enforce such a thing without police? Or do you want the "freedom" to victimize whoever you want along with stripping everyone else of their true freedoms?

WTF?? You are LOST, I am afraid..

Because NOT having any laws that restrict abortion is indicative of MORE TRUE FREEDOM than our laws are. You have it ass- backwards, yo.

True freedom is when the people DO decide for themselves.. when they do not have big brother calling all the shots, or deciding for them. Deciding WHOM decides for you is not pure freedom. It is restrained freedom. It is plutocratic, our government, too.

Having the freedom to deal whatever fucking drugs you want and mix whatever chemicals in the confines of your personal property, usually your house, without the government intervening, is also pure freedom. The freedom to fuck your own life up any way you choose IS pure freedom.

To say otherwise is absolutely insane, and the first step towards laying down and almost REQUIRING that government and restrictive laws (the ones YOU agree with, anyways) are what make you free.

Again, totally backwards logic there..

 

[germanguy]

Quotes from germanguy

So, from your perspective we are pussies.

Yes

From our perspective you are guncrazy lunatics.

Good

But perhaps I am just a slave to my socialist government

.

Perhaps

Hehe,

love that.

Ever tried to drive on a germen autobahn ? There you will find the pussies....

55mp/h mpf... ridiculous.


regards
ze germanguy

 

[The Rabbi]

Autobahn? So Germans are now a bunch of Walter Mitties, living out their aggressions in their Mercedes and Seats instead of planning world conquest?

 

[B94]

Quotes from germanguy

So, from your perspective we are pussies.

Yes



Good

But perhaps I am just a slave to my socialist government

.

Perhaps

Hehe,

love that.

Ever tried to drive on a germen autobahn ? There you will find the pussies....

55mp/h mpf... ridiculous.


regards
ze germanguy

Autobahn ?

Ever try going 80mph on the old 2 lane highways in the Ozarks while passing, pulling a boat?

 

[Contumacious]

it still a sad fact, that in your country more people are killed with firearms in proportion to the number of people than in any other western country.

Even if true, it will take a long time to catch up to the 6,000,000 that your leaders incinerated/gassed alive .

In our household we have numerous firearms. Our children and grandchildren come to visit and stay for weeks. There has never been a problem. So we should not be penalized because others use their weapons irresponsibly.

ze yankee.

Good eveniling Yank,

never said that you or someone else killed his grandchildren.

As said before, I do not see that responsible and law-abiding citizens form a problem in any form. It is the overall availability which is one, IMHO.

HUH?


Gun dealers have an absolute right to sell firearms. The government has no authority to decide who can or can not bear arms.

There was a sizeable resistance in nearly every occupied country and they used everything available to them to get rid of the Germans.

'If Only We Were Armed Before'

Back in the 1920s and 1930s, the forward-thinking German "Weimar" republic effectively banned firearms possession by just about anyone but the military, the government police, and the ruling "Junker" class, members of whom were allowed to keep their fancy hunting rifles.

Later, when millions of Jews were rounded up and sent to concentration camps including Auschwitz and Buchenwald to be exterminated – despite the fact that on some mornings the other prisoners were each given water and a piece of bread, while the Jewish prisoners were not allowed to either eat or drink – did the Jews kill anyone with a handgun in order to get some food or water to keep themselves or their loved ones from starving. No! They couldn't, because they had no handguns!

In contrast, look at the trouble that was caused when a few surviving Jews in the Warsaw ghetto were allowed to lay hands on a few handguns on April 19, 1943 ....Those Polish Jews used those handguns to kill Nazi-sympathizing Ukrainian guards and take away their rifles. Then, with this slight increase in armament, they were able to hold German Wehrmacht forces at bay for weeks, tying up units that were badly needed by Hitler on the Russian front.

Many, many times. Before Adolf Hitler came to power, there was a black market in firearms, but the German people had been so conditioned to be law abiding, that they would never consider buying an unregistered gun. The German people really believed that only hoodlums own such guns. What fools we were. ...

 

[germanguy]

Autobahn? So Germans are now a bunch of Walter Mitties, living out their aggressions in their Mercedes and Seats instead of planning world conquest?

Yep!
At least we think so.
BTW, who is Walter Mitties...