One State

[pbel]

Its clear that the future of Palestine will be determined by the demographics, not today or tomorrow but unstoppable.

Israel and Palestine need a one-state solution Al Jazeera America
A one-state solution
If Abbas really wants radical change for the Palestinians’ plight, he should dissolve the Palestinian Authority and turn over control of the West Bank to Israel — as he has repeatedly threatened to do — and then encourage Palestinians to demand annexation with all rights, protections and benefits granted to other Israelis. Given the one-state reality on the ground, removing the illusion of sovereign Arab institutions would render Israel responsible for the population it has subjugated for the last 70 years. A failure to rise to this challenge would expose it as an apartheid state.
Israel justifies its mistreatment of Palestinians by claiming that Arabs are not its responsibility. Whether they live within Israel or the occupied territories, they all ultimately belong in the unsettled West Bank and should be provided for by their own government — an attitude emphasized by Israel’s recent “nationality law” which defines the country as an explicitly, perhaps exclusively, Jewish state.
But in a unified Israel, Arabs would actually be the majority if afforded the same right to return given to the Jewish diaspora; there are 3 million registered Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, Syria and Jordan alone. And demographic projections suggest Jews will soon be the minority even without considering the Palestinian diaspora. Accordingly, Palestinians would have much more leverage in a one-state scenario; their quest would then be for equitable power sharing and civil rights.

 

[MJB12741]

I too am for a one state solution. Israel must find a way to send the Palestinian squatters back to their indigenous Arab country homelands. LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

 

[pbel]

I too am for a one state solution. Israel must find a way to send the Palestinian squatters back to their indigenous Arab country homelands. LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

or vise versa.

 

[RoccoR]

pbel, et al,

(OPPOSING VIEW)

First, the "3 million registered Palestinian refugees" (that is registered with the UNRWA) through the Consolidated Eligibility and Registration Instructions (CERI) are not necessarily the same as legally defined refugees under International Law under the Text of the 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees --- Text of the 1967 Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees --- Resolution 2198 (XXI) adopted by the United Nations General Assembly.

The Jewish State, as initially adopted in concept, has some established precedents and foundational principles that are not "uniquely" Jewish in origin, nature and source:

√ The land of Israel is the historic homeland of the Jewish people and the birthplace of the State of Israel.
√ The State of Israel is the national home of the Jewish people, in which it fulfills its right to self-determination according to its cultural and historic heritage.

• THE SAN REMO CONVENTION 1920: Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connexion of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country;
• LON Mandate for Palestine: Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people;
• Resolution 181 (II). Future government of Palestine: The mandatory Power shall use its best endeavours to ensure than an area situated in the territory of the Jewish State, including a seaport and hinterland adequate to provide facilities for a substantial immigration, shall be evacuated at the earliest possible date and in any event not later than 1 February 1948.
• Resolution 181 (II). Future government of Palestine: On its arrival in Palestine the Commission shall proceed to carry out measures for the establishment of the frontiers of the Arab and Jewish States and the City of Jerusalem in accordance with the general lines of the recommendations of the General Assembly on the partition of Palestine. Nevertheless, the boundaries as described in part II of this plan are to be modified in such a way that village areas as a rule will not be divided by state boundaries unless pressing reasons make that necessary.

Its clear that the future of Palestine will be determined by the demographics, not today or tomorrow but unstoppable.

Israel and Palestine need a one-state solution Al Jazeera America
A one-state solution
If Abbas really wants radical change for the Palestinians’ plight, he should dissolve the Palestinian Authority and turn over control of the West Bank to Israel — as he has repeatedly threatened to do — and then encourage Palestinians to demand annexation with all rights, protections and benefits granted to other Israelis. Given the one-state reality on the ground, removing the illusion of sovereign Arab institutions would render Israel responsible for the population it has subjugated for the last 70 years. A failure to rise to this challenge would expose it as an apartheid state.
Israel justifies its mistreatment of Palestinians by claiming that Arabs are not its responsibility. Whether they live within Israel or the occupied territories, they all ultimately belong in the unsettled West Bank and should be provided for by their own government — an attitude emphasized by Israel’s recent “nationality law” which defines the country as an explicitly, perhaps exclusively, Jewish state.
But in a unified Israel, Arabs would actually be the majority if afforded the same right to return given to the Jewish diaspora; there are 3 million registered Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, Syria and Jordan alone. And demographic projections suggest Jews will soon be the minority even without considering the Palestinian diaspora. Accordingly, Palestinians would have much more leverage in a one-state scenario; their quest would then be for equitable power sharing and civil rights.

(COMMENT)

The intent and purpose of the Arab in promoting a "One State" Solution is clear: to overrun and flood the Jewish National Home in such a way as to enable Arab Majority that will be able to demolish the Jewish National Home from the inside-out. Pushing the Jewish People out of the Jewish National Home and replacing the culture with their own Islamic Brand.

The decision makers of the Principle Allied Powers leading up to these events were educated through the mid-to-late 19th Century as the Arabs were persecuting the Jewish people.

• 1828: Massacre of Jews in Baghdad ---
• 1860s: Jews of Libya were subjected to punitive taxation ---
• 1864: Massacre 500 Jews in Marrakech and 300 in Fezin Morocco ---
• 1867: Massacre of Jews in Barfurush in 1867 ---
• 1891: Muslim leadership in Jerusalem petition the Sultan to prohibit the entry of Jews arriving from Russia ---
• 1897: Jews murdered and synagogues pillaged in Tripolitania ---

These events (just to name a few) weighed heavily on the minds that were to influence the judgement to save and protect the Jewish People and their culture throughout Europe, North Africa and the Middle East. While these event are to us, a century or more old, it was recent and contemporary events to them. And as the anti-Semitic violence grew in Europe in the early 20th Century, as well as fresh Arab-Jewish confrontations in the Mandate Territories grew, new reasons emerged (from the 1929 Riots to the Holocaust) to reinforce the original decision to establish a Jewish National Home.

The Arab promotion of a "One State" Solution is an attempt to make an end-run around the wisdom to create a safe haven that would protect the Jewish People from the terrorizing external influences that might once again -- throw them into the abyss.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[pbel]

pbel, et al,

(OPPOSING VIEW)

First, the "3 million registered Palestinian refugees" (that is registered with the UNRWA) through the Consolidated Eligibility and Registration Instructions (CERI) are not necessarily the same as legally defined refugees under International Law under the Text of the 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees --- Text of the 1967 Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees --- Resolution 2198 (XXI) adopted by the United Nations General Assembly.

The Jewish State, as initially adopted in concept, has some established precedents and foundational principles that are not "uniquely" Jewish in origin, nature and source:

√ The land of Israel is the historic homeland of the Jewish people and the birthplace of the State of Israel.
√ The State of Israel is the national home of the Jewish people, in which it fulfills its right to self-determination according to its cultural and historic heritage.

• THE SAN REMO CONVENTION 1920: Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connexion of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country;
• LON Mandate for Palestine: Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people;
• Resolution 181 (II). Future government of Palestine: The mandatory Power shall use its best endeavours to ensure than an area situated in the territory of the Jewish State, including a seaport and hinterland adequate to provide facilities for a substantial immigration, shall be evacuated at the earliest possible date and in any event not later than 1 February 1948.
• Resolution 181 (II). Future government of Palestine: On its arrival in Palestine the Commission shall proceed to carry out measures for the establishment of the frontiers of the Arab and Jewish States and the City of Jerusalem in accordance with the general lines of the recommendations of the General Assembly on the partition of Palestine. Nevertheless, the boundaries as described in part II of this plan are to be modified in such a way that village areas as a rule will not be divided by state boundaries unless pressing reasons make that necessary.

Its clear that the future of Palestine will be determined by the demographics, not today or tomorrow but unstoppable.

Israel and Palestine need a one-state solution Al Jazeera America
A one-state solution
If Abbas really wants radical change for the Palestinians’ plight, he should dissolve the Palestinian Authority and turn over control of the West Bank to Israel — as he has repeatedly threatened to do — and then encourage Palestinians to demand annexation with all rights, protections and benefits granted to other Israelis. Given the one-state reality on the ground, removing the illusion of sovereign Arab institutions would render Israel responsible for the population it has subjugated for the last 70 years. A failure to rise to this challenge would expose it as an apartheid state.
Israel justifies its mistreatment of Palestinians by claiming that Arabs are not its responsibility. Whether they live within Israel or the occupied territories, they all ultimately belong in the unsettled West Bank and should be provided for by their own government — an attitude emphasized by Israel’s recent “nationality law” which defines the country as an explicitly, perhaps exclusively, Jewish state.
But in a unified Israel, Arabs would actually be the majority if afforded the same right to return given to the Jewish diaspora; there are 3 million registered Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, Syria and Jordan alone. And demographic projections suggest Jews will soon be the minority even without considering the Palestinian diaspora. Accordingly, Palestinians would have much more leverage in a one-state scenario; their quest would then be for equitable power sharing and civil rights.

(COMMENT)

The intent and purpose of the Arab in promoting a "One State" Solution is clear: to overrun and flood the Jewish National Home in such a way as to enable Arab Majority that will be able to demolish the Jewish National Home from the inside-out. Pushing the Jewish People out of the Jewish National Home and replacing the culture with their own Islamic Brand.

The decision makers of the Principle Allied Powers leading up to these events were educated through the mid-to-late 19th Century as the Arabs were persecuting the Jewish people.

• 1828: Massacre of Jews in Baghdad ---
• 1860s: Jews of Libya were subjected to punitive taxation ---
• 1864: Massacre 500 Jews in Marrakech and 300 in Fezin Morocco ---
• 1867: Massacre of Jews in Barfurush in 1867 ---
• 1891: Muslim leadership in Jerusalem petition the Sultan to prohibit the entry of Jews arriving from Russia ---
• 1897: Jews murdered and synagogues pillaged in Tripolitania ---

These events (just to name a few) weighed heavily on the minds that were to influence the judgement to save and protect the Jewish People and their culture throughout Europe, North Africa and the Middle East. While these event are to us, a century or more old, it was recent and contemporary events to them. And as the anti-Semitic violence grew in Europe in the early 20th Century, as well as fresh Arab-Jewish confrontations in the Mandate Territories grew, new reasons emerged (from the 1929 Riots to the Holocaust) to reinforce the original decision to establish a Jewish National Home.

The Arab promotion of a "One State" Solution is an attempt to make an end-run around the wisdom to create a safe haven that would protect the Jewish People from the terrorizing external influences that might once again -- throw them into the abyss.

Most Respectfully,
R

It really is a tragedy historically for the Jews, however it was the Europeans by far (not even close) that murdered them...They also created Israel by political fiat from a land where the people there had NOTHING to do with this killing and that logic escapes you...

This is not lost on the Arabs and yet they offer a peace deal that splits the land along with trade and acceptance...

The Israeli conquests and cultural greed will be their undoing...The 600 million Arabs will win this war of attrition in time, however long it takes them...That is the reality and history of all past invaders to this land...

 

[toastman]

pbel, et al,

(OPPOSING VIEW)

First, the "3 million registered Palestinian refugees" (that is registered with the UNRWA) through the Consolidated Eligibility and Registration Instructions (CERI) are not necessarily the same as legally defined refugees under International Law under the Text of the 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees --- Text of the 1967 Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees --- Resolution 2198 (XXI) adopted by the United Nations General Assembly.

The Jewish State, as initially adopted in concept, has some established precedents and foundational principles that are not "uniquely" Jewish in origin, nature and source:

√ The land of Israel is the historic homeland of the Jewish people and the birthplace of the State of Israel.
√ The State of Israel is the national home of the Jewish people, in which it fulfills its right to self-determination according to its cultural and historic heritage.

• THE SAN REMO CONVENTION 1920: Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connexion of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country;
• LON Mandate for Palestine: Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people;
• Resolution 181 (II). Future government of Palestine: The mandatory Power shall use its best endeavours to ensure than an area situated in the territory of the Jewish State, including a seaport and hinterland adequate to provide facilities for a substantial immigration, shall be evacuated at the earliest possible date and in any event not later than 1 February 1948.
• Resolution 181 (II). Future government of Palestine: On its arrival in Palestine the Commission shall proceed to carry out measures for the establishment of the frontiers of the Arab and Jewish States and the City of Jerusalem in accordance with the general lines of the recommendations of the General Assembly on the partition of Palestine. Nevertheless, the boundaries as described in part II of this plan are to be modified in such a way that village areas as a rule will not be divided by state boundaries unless pressing reasons make that necessary.

Its clear that the future of Palestine will be determined by the demographics, not today or tomorrow but unstoppable.

Israel and Palestine need a one-state solution Al Jazeera America
A one-state solution
If Abbas really wants radical change for the Palestinians’ plight, he should dissolve the Palestinian Authority and turn over control of the West Bank to Israel — as he has repeatedly threatened to do — and then encourage Palestinians to demand annexation with all rights, protections and benefits granted to other Israelis. Given the one-state reality on the ground, removing the illusion of sovereign Arab institutions would render Israel responsible for the population it has subjugated for the last 70 years. A failure to rise to this challenge would expose it as an apartheid state.
Israel justifies its mistreatment of Palestinians by claiming that Arabs are not its responsibility. Whether they live within Israel or the occupied territories, they all ultimately belong in the unsettled West Bank and should be provided for by their own government — an attitude emphasized by Israel’s recent “nationality law” which defines the country as an explicitly, perhaps exclusively, Jewish state.
But in a unified Israel, Arabs would actually be the majority if afforded the same right to return given to the Jewish diaspora; there are 3 million registered Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, Syria and Jordan alone. And demographic projections suggest Jews will soon be the minority even without considering the Palestinian diaspora. Accordingly, Palestinians would have much more leverage in a one-state scenario; their quest would then be for equitable power sharing and civil rights.

(COMMENT)

The intent and purpose of the Arab in promoting a "One State" Solution is clear: to overrun and flood the Jewish National Home in such a way as to enable Arab Majority that will be able to demolish the Jewish National Home from the inside-out. Pushing the Jewish People out of the Jewish National Home and replacing the culture with their own Islamic Brand.

The decision makers of the Principle Allied Powers leading up to these events were educated through the mid-to-late 19th Century as the Arabs were persecuting the Jewish people.

• 1828: Massacre of Jews in Baghdad ---
• 1860s: Jews of Libya were subjected to punitive taxation ---
• 1864: Massacre 500 Jews in Marrakech and 300 in Fezin Morocco ---
• 1867: Massacre of Jews in Barfurush in 1867 ---
• 1891: Muslim leadership in Jerusalem petition the Sultan to prohibit the entry of Jews arriving from Russia ---
• 1897: Jews murdered and synagogues pillaged in Tripolitania ---

These events (just to name a few) weighed heavily on the minds that were to influence the judgement to save and protect the Jewish People and their culture throughout Europe, North Africa and the Middle East. While these event are to us, a century or more old, it was recent and contemporary events to them. And as the anti-Semitic violence grew in Europe in the early 20th Century, as well as fresh Arab-Jewish confrontations in the Mandate Territories grew, new reasons emerged (from the 1929 Riots to the Holocaust) to reinforce the original decision to establish a Jewish National Home.

The Arab promotion of a "One State" Solution is an attempt to make an end-run around the wisdom to create a safe haven that would protect the Jewish People from the terrorizing external influences that might once again -- throw them into the abyss.

Most Respectfully,
R

It really is a tragedy historically for the Jews, however it was the Europeans by far (not even close) that murdered them...They also created Israel by political fiat from a land where the people there had NOTHING to do with this killing and that logic escapes you...

This is not lost on the Arabs and yet they offer a peace deal that splits the land along with trade and acceptance...

The Israeli conquests and cultural greed will be their undoing...The 600 million Arabs will win this war of attrition in time, however long it takes them...That is the reality and history of all past invaders to this land...

Except Jews never invaded Israel. Whoops !

 

[RandomVariable]

pbel, et al,

(OPPOSING VIEW)

First, the "3 million registered Palestinian refugees" (that is registered with the UNRWA) through the Consolidated Eligibility and Registration Instructions (CERI) are not necessarily the same as legally defined refugees under International Law under the Text of the 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees --- Text of the 1967 Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees --- Resolution 2198 (XXI) adopted by the United Nations General Assembly.

The Jewish State, as initially adopted in concept, has some established precedents and foundational principles that are not "uniquely" Jewish in origin, nature and source:

√ The land of Israel is the historic homeland of the Jewish people and the birthplace of the State of Israel.
√ The State of Israel is the national home of the Jewish people, in which it fulfills its right to self-determination according to its cultural and historic heritage.

• THE SAN REMO CONVENTION 1920: Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connexion of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country;
• LON Mandate for Palestine: Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people;
• Resolution 181 (II). Future government of Palestine: The mandatory Power shall use its best endeavours to ensure than an area situated in the territory of the Jewish State, including a seaport and hinterland adequate to provide facilities for a substantial immigration, shall be evacuated at the earliest possible date and in any event not later than 1 February 1948.
• Resolution 181 (II). Future government of Palestine: On its arrival in Palestine the Commission shall proceed to carry out measures for the establishment of the frontiers of the Arab and Jewish States and the City of Jerusalem in accordance with the general lines of the recommendations of the General Assembly on the partition of Palestine. Nevertheless, the boundaries as described in part II of this plan are to be modified in such a way that village areas as a rule will not be divided by state boundaries unless pressing reasons make that necessary.

Its clear that the future of Palestine will be determined by the demographics, not today or tomorrow but unstoppable.

Israel and Palestine need a one-state solution Al Jazeera America
A one-state solution
If Abbas really wants radical change for the Palestinians’ plight, he should dissolve the Palestinian Authority and turn over control of the West Bank to Israel — as he has repeatedly threatened to do — and then encourage Palestinians to demand annexation with all rights, protections and benefits granted to other Israelis. Given the one-state reality on the ground, removing the illusion of sovereign Arab institutions would render Israel responsible for the population it has subjugated for the last 70 years. A failure to rise to this challenge would expose it as an apartheid state.
Israel justifies its mistreatment of Palestinians by claiming that Arabs are not its responsibility. Whether they live within Israel or the occupied territories, they all ultimately belong in the unsettled West Bank and should be provided for by their own government — an attitude emphasized by Israel’s recent “nationality law” which defines the country as an explicitly, perhaps exclusively, Jewish state.
But in a unified Israel, Arabs would actually be the majority if afforded the same right to return given to the Jewish diaspora; there are 3 million registered Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, Syria and Jordan alone. And demographic projections suggest Jews will soon be the minority even without considering the Palestinian diaspora. Accordingly, Palestinians would have much more leverage in a one-state scenario; their quest would then be for equitable power sharing and civil rights.

(COMMENT)

The intent and purpose of the Arab in promoting a "One State" Solution is clear: to overrun and flood the Jewish National Home in such a way as to enable Arab Majority that will be able to demolish the Jewish National Home from the inside-out. Pushing the Jewish People out of the Jewish National Home and replacing the culture with their own Islamic Brand.

The decision makers of the Principle Allied Powers leading up to these events were educated through the mid-to-late 19th Century as the Arabs were persecuting the Jewish people.

• 1828: Massacre of Jews in Baghdad ---
• 1860s: Jews of Libya were subjected to punitive taxation ---
• 1864: Massacre 500 Jews in Marrakech and 300 in Fezin Morocco ---
• 1867: Massacre of Jews in Barfurush in 1867 ---
• 1891: Muslim leadership in Jerusalem petition the Sultan to prohibit the entry of Jews arriving from Russia ---
• 1897: Jews murdered and synagogues pillaged in Tripolitania ---

These events (just to name a few) weighed heavily on the minds that were to influence the judgement to save and protect the Jewish People and their culture throughout Europe, North Africa and the Middle East. While these event are to us, a century or more old, it was recent and contemporary events to them. And as the anti-Semitic violence grew in Europe in the early 20th Century, as well as fresh Arab-Jewish confrontations in the Mandate Territories grew, new reasons emerged (from the 1929 Riots to the Holocaust) to reinforce the original decision to establish a Jewish National Home.

The Arab promotion of a "One State" Solution is an attempt to make an end-run around the wisdom to create a safe haven that would protect the Jewish People from the terrorizing external influences that might once again -- throw them into the abyss.

Most Respectfully,
R

It really is a tragedy historically for the Jews, however it was the Europeans by far (not even close) that murdered them...They also created Israel by political fiat from a land where the people there had NOTHING to do with this killing and that logic escapes you...

This is not lost on the Arabs and yet they offer a peace deal that splits the land along with trade and acceptance...

The Israeli conquests and cultural greed will be their undoing...The 600 million Arabs will win this war of attrition in time, however long it takes them...That is the reality and history of all past invaders to this land...

Always good to see someone with a good knowledge of history. Perhaps you could help me out here. What was that person's name who was the ruler of the Palestinian State just before the Jews overthrew him/her? Was that a state, a nation, or a country back then? Did they have a democracy, a dictator, or a socialist nation? I am assuming they had a flag of course. I would love to see a picture of it. You know, the one the Jews tore down obviously.

 

[pbel]

pbel, et al,

(OPPOSING VIEW)

First, the "3 million registered Palestinian refugees" (that is registered with the UNRWA) through the Consolidated Eligibility and Registration Instructions (CERI) are not necessarily the same as legally defined refugees under International Law under the Text of the 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees --- Text of the 1967 Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees --- Resolution 2198 (XXI) adopted by the United Nations General Assembly.

The Jewish State, as initially adopted in concept, has some established precedents and foundational principles that are not "uniquely" Jewish in origin, nature and source:

√ The land of Israel is the historic homeland of the Jewish people and the birthplace of the State of Israel.
√ The State of Israel is the national home of the Jewish people, in which it fulfills its right to self-determination according to its cultural and historic heritage.

• THE SAN REMO CONVENTION 1920: Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connexion of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country;
• LON Mandate for Palestine: Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people;
• Resolution 181 (II). Future government of Palestine: The mandatory Power shall use its best endeavours to ensure than an area situated in the territory of the Jewish State, including a seaport and hinterland adequate to provide facilities for a substantial immigration, shall be evacuated at the earliest possible date and in any event not later than 1 February 1948.
• Resolution 181 (II). Future government of Palestine: On its arrival in Palestine the Commission shall proceed to carry out measures for the establishment of the frontiers of the Arab and Jewish States and the City of Jerusalem in accordance with the general lines of the recommendations of the General Assembly on the partition of Palestine. Nevertheless, the boundaries as described in part II of this plan are to be modified in such a way that village areas as a rule will not be divided by state boundaries unless pressing reasons make that necessary.

Its clear that the future of Palestine will be determined by the demographics, not today or tomorrow but unstoppable.

Israel and Palestine need a one-state solution Al Jazeera America
A one-state solution
If Abbas really wants radical change for the Palestinians’ plight, he should dissolve the Palestinian Authority and turn over control of the West Bank to Israel — as he has repeatedly threatened to do — and then encourage Palestinians to demand annexation with all rights, protections and benefits granted to other Israelis. Given the one-state reality on the ground, removing the illusion of sovereign Arab institutions would render Israel responsible for the population it has subjugated for the last 70 years. A failure to rise to this challenge would expose it as an apartheid state.
Israel justifies its mistreatment of Palestinians by claiming that Arabs are not its responsibility. Whether they live within Israel or the occupied territories, they all ultimately belong in the unsettled West Bank and should be provided for by their own government — an attitude emphasized by Israel’s recent “nationality law” which defines the country as an explicitly, perhaps exclusively, Jewish state.
But in a unified Israel, Arabs would actually be the majority if afforded the same right to return given to the Jewish diaspora; there are 3 million registered Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, Syria and Jordan alone. And demographic projections suggest Jews will soon be the minority even without considering the Palestinian diaspora. Accordingly, Palestinians would have much more leverage in a one-state scenario; their quest would then be for equitable power sharing and civil rights.

(COMMENT)

The intent and purpose of the Arab in promoting a "One State" Solution is clear: to overrun and flood the Jewish National Home in such a way as to enable Arab Majority that will be able to demolish the Jewish National Home from the inside-out. Pushing the Jewish People out of the Jewish National Home and replacing the culture with their own Islamic Brand.

The decision makers of the Principle Allied Powers leading up to these events were educated through the mid-to-late 19th Century as the Arabs were persecuting the Jewish people.

• 1828: Massacre of Jews in Baghdad ---
• 1860s: Jews of Libya were subjected to punitive taxation ---
• 1864: Massacre 500 Jews in Marrakech and 300 in Fezin Morocco ---
• 1867: Massacre of Jews in Barfurush in 1867 ---
• 1891: Muslim leadership in Jerusalem petition the Sultan to prohibit the entry of Jews arriving from Russia ---
• 1897: Jews murdered and synagogues pillaged in Tripolitania ---

These events (just to name a few) weighed heavily on the minds that were to influence the judgement to save and protect the Jewish People and their culture throughout Europe, North Africa and the Middle East. While these event are to us, a century or more old, it was recent and contemporary events to them. And as the anti-Semitic violence grew in Europe in the early 20th Century, as well as fresh Arab-Jewish confrontations in the Mandate Territories grew, new reasons emerged (from the 1929 Riots to the Holocaust) to reinforce the original decision to establish a Jewish National Home.

The Arab promotion of a "One State" Solution is an attempt to make an end-run around the wisdom to create a safe haven that would protect the Jewish People from the terrorizing external influences that might once again -- throw them into the abyss.

Most Respectfully,
R

It really is a tragedy historically for the Jews, however it was the Europeans by far (not even close) that murdered them...They also created Israel by political fiat from a land where the people there had NOTHING to do with this killing and that logic escapes you...

This is not lost on the Arabs and yet they offer a peace deal that splits the land along with trade and acceptance...

The Israeli conquests and cultural greed will be their undoing...The 600 million Arabs will win this war of attrition in time, however long it takes them...That is the reality and history of all past invaders to this land...

Always good to see someone with a good knowledge of history. Perhaps you could help me out here. What was that person's name who was the ruler of the Palestinian State just before the Jews overthrew him/her? Was that a state, a nation, or a country back then? Did they have a democracy, a dictator, or a socialist nation? I am assuming they had a flag of course. I would love to see a picture of it. You know, the one the Jews tore down obviously.

You don't have to be a Nation/State to have the rights of self-determination...Much like our-own American Indians...

 

[pbel]

pbel, et al,

(OPPOSING VIEW)

First, the "3 million registered Palestinian refugees" (that is registered with the UNRWA) through the Consolidated Eligibility and Registration Instructions (CERI) are not necessarily the same as legally defined refugees under International Law under the Text of the 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees --- Text of the 1967 Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees --- Resolution 2198 (XXI) adopted by the United Nations General Assembly.

The Jewish State, as initially adopted in concept, has some established precedents and foundational principles that are not "uniquely" Jewish in origin, nature and source:

√ The land of Israel is the historic homeland of the Jewish people and the birthplace of the State of Israel.
√ The State of Israel is the national home of the Jewish people, in which it fulfills its right to self-determination according to its cultural and historic heritage.

• THE SAN REMO CONVENTION 1920: Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connexion of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country;
• LON Mandate for Palestine: Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people;
• Resolution 181 (II). Future government of Palestine: The mandatory Power shall use its best endeavours to ensure than an area situated in the territory of the Jewish State, including a seaport and hinterland adequate to provide facilities for a substantial immigration, shall be evacuated at the earliest possible date and in any event not later than 1 February 1948.
• Resolution 181 (II). Future government of Palestine: On its arrival in Palestine the Commission shall proceed to carry out measures for the establishment of the frontiers of the Arab and Jewish States and the City of Jerusalem in accordance with the general lines of the recommendations of the General Assembly on the partition of Palestine. Nevertheless, the boundaries as described in part II of this plan are to be modified in such a way that village areas as a rule will not be divided by state boundaries unless pressing reasons make that necessary.

Its clear that the future of Palestine will be determined by the demographics, not today or tomorrow but unstoppable.

Israel and Palestine need a one-state solution Al Jazeera America
A one-state solution
If Abbas really wants radical change for the Palestinians’ plight, he should dissolve the Palestinian Authority and turn over control of the West Bank to Israel — as he has repeatedly threatened to do — and then encourage Palestinians to demand annexation with all rights, protections and benefits granted to other Israelis. Given the one-state reality on the ground, removing the illusion of sovereign Arab institutions would render Israel responsible for the population it has subjugated for the last 70 years. A failure to rise to this challenge would expose it as an apartheid state.
Israel justifies its mistreatment of Palestinians by claiming that Arabs are not its responsibility. Whether they live within Israel or the occupied territories, they all ultimately belong in the unsettled West Bank and should be provided for by their own government — an attitude emphasized by Israel’s recent “nationality law” which defines the country as an explicitly, perhaps exclusively, Jewish state.
But in a unified Israel, Arabs would actually be the majority if afforded the same right to return given to the Jewish diaspora; there are 3 million registered Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, Syria and Jordan alone. And demographic projections suggest Jews will soon be the minority even without considering the Palestinian diaspora. Accordingly, Palestinians would have much more leverage in a one-state scenario; their quest would then be for equitable power sharing and civil rights.

(COMMENT)

The intent and purpose of the Arab in promoting a "One State" Solution is clear: to overrun and flood the Jewish National Home in such a way as to enable Arab Majority that will be able to demolish the Jewish National Home from the inside-out. Pushing the Jewish People out of the Jewish National Home and replacing the culture with their own Islamic Brand.

The decision makers of the Principle Allied Powers leading up to these events were educated through the mid-to-late 19th Century as the Arabs were persecuting the Jewish people.

• 1828: Massacre of Jews in Baghdad ---
• 1860s: Jews of Libya were subjected to punitive taxation ---
• 1864: Massacre 500 Jews in Marrakech and 300 in Fezin Morocco ---
• 1867: Massacre of Jews in Barfurush in 1867 ---
• 1891: Muslim leadership in Jerusalem petition the Sultan to prohibit the entry of Jews arriving from Russia ---
• 1897: Jews murdered and synagogues pillaged in Tripolitania ---

These events (just to name a few) weighed heavily on the minds that were to influence the judgement to save and protect the Jewish People and their culture throughout Europe, North Africa and the Middle East. While these event are to us, a century or more old, it was recent and contemporary events to them. And as the anti-Semitic violence grew in Europe in the early 20th Century, as well as fresh Arab-Jewish confrontations in the Mandate Territories grew, new reasons emerged (from the 1929 Riots to the Holocaust) to reinforce the original decision to establish a Jewish National Home.

The Arab promotion of a "One State" Solution is an attempt to make an end-run around the wisdom to create a safe haven that would protect the Jewish People from the terrorizing external influences that might once again -- throw them into the abyss.

Most Respectfully,
R

It really is a tragedy historically for the Jews, however it was the Europeans by far (not even close) that murdered them...They also created Israel by political fiat from a land where the people there had NOTHING to do with this killing and that logic escapes you...

This is not lost on the Arabs and yet they offer a peace deal that splits the land along with trade and acceptance...

The Israeli conquests and cultural greed will be their undoing...The 600 million Arabs will win this war of attrition in time, however long it takes them...That is the reality and history of all past invaders to this land...

Except Jews never invaded Israel. Whoops !

Well then, how did they get there?

 

[RandomVariable]

pbel, et al,

(OPPOSING VIEW)

First, the "3 million registered Palestinian refugees" (that is registered with the UNRWA) through the Consolidated Eligibility and Registration Instructions (CERI) are not necessarily the same as legally defined refugees under International Law under the Text of the 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees --- Text of the 1967 Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees --- Resolution 2198 (XXI) adopted by the United Nations General Assembly.

The Jewish State, as initially adopted in concept, has some established precedents and foundational principles that are not "uniquely" Jewish in origin, nature and source:

√ The land of Israel is the historic homeland of the Jewish people and the birthplace of the State of Israel.
√ The State of Israel is the national home of the Jewish people, in which it fulfills its right to self-determination according to its cultural and historic heritage.

• THE SAN REMO CONVENTION 1920: Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connexion of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country;
• LON Mandate for Palestine: Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people;
• Resolution 181 (II). Future government of Palestine: The mandatory Power shall use its best endeavours to ensure than an area situated in the territory of the Jewish State, including a seaport and hinterland adequate to provide facilities for a substantial immigration, shall be evacuated at the earliest possible date and in any event not later than 1 February 1948.
• Resolution 181 (II). Future government of Palestine: On its arrival in Palestine the Commission shall proceed to carry out measures for the establishment of the frontiers of the Arab and Jewish States and the City of Jerusalem in accordance with the general lines of the recommendations of the General Assembly on the partition of Palestine. Nevertheless, the boundaries as described in part II of this plan are to be modified in such a way that village areas as a rule will not be divided by state boundaries unless pressing reasons make that necessary.

Its clear that the future of Palestine will be determined by the demographics, not today or tomorrow but unstoppable.

Israel and Palestine need a one-state solution Al Jazeera America
A one-state solution
If Abbas really wants radical change for the Palestinians’ plight, he should dissolve the Palestinian Authority and turn over control of the West Bank to Israel — as he has repeatedly threatened to do — and then encourage Palestinians to demand annexation with all rights, protections and benefits granted to other Israelis. Given the one-state reality on the ground, removing the illusion of sovereign Arab institutions would render Israel responsible for the population it has subjugated for the last 70 years. A failure to rise to this challenge would expose it as an apartheid state.
Israel justifies its mistreatment of Palestinians by claiming that Arabs are not its responsibility. Whether they live within Israel or the occupied territories, they all ultimately belong in the unsettled West Bank and should be provided for by their own government — an attitude emphasized by Israel’s recent “nationality law” which defines the country as an explicitly, perhaps exclusively, Jewish state.
But in a unified Israel, Arabs would actually be the majority if afforded the same right to return given to the Jewish diaspora; there are 3 million registered Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, Syria and Jordan alone. And demographic projections suggest Jews will soon be the minority even without considering the Palestinian diaspora. Accordingly, Palestinians would have much more leverage in a one-state scenario; their quest would then be for equitable power sharing and civil rights.

(COMMENT)

The intent and purpose of the Arab in promoting a "One State" Solution is clear: to overrun and flood the Jewish National Home in such a way as to enable Arab Majority that will be able to demolish the Jewish National Home from the inside-out. Pushing the Jewish People out of the Jewish National Home and replacing the culture with their own Islamic Brand.

The decision makers of the Principle Allied Powers leading up to these events were educated through the mid-to-late 19th Century as the Arabs were persecuting the Jewish people.

• 1828: Massacre of Jews in Baghdad ---
• 1860s: Jews of Libya were subjected to punitive taxation ---
• 1864: Massacre 500 Jews in Marrakech and 300 in Fezin Morocco ---
• 1867: Massacre of Jews in Barfurush in 1867 ---
• 1891: Muslim leadership in Jerusalem petition the Sultan to prohibit the entry of Jews arriving from Russia ---
• 1897: Jews murdered and synagogues pillaged in Tripolitania ---

These events (just to name a few) weighed heavily on the minds that were to influence the judgement to save and protect the Jewish People and their culture throughout Europe, North Africa and the Middle East. While these event are to us, a century or more old, it was recent and contemporary events to them. And as the anti-Semitic violence grew in Europe in the early 20th Century, as well as fresh Arab-Jewish confrontations in the Mandate Territories grew, new reasons emerged (from the 1929 Riots to the Holocaust) to reinforce the original decision to establish a Jewish National Home.

The Arab promotion of a "One State" Solution is an attempt to make an end-run around the wisdom to create a safe haven that would protect the Jewish People from the terrorizing external influences that might once again -- throw them into the abyss.

Most Respectfully,
R

It really is a tragedy historically for the Jews, however it was the Europeans by far (not even close) that murdered them...They also created Israel by political fiat from a land where the people there had NOTHING to do with this killing and that logic escapes you...

This is not lost on the Arabs and yet they offer a peace deal that splits the land along with trade and acceptance...

The Israeli conquests and cultural greed will be their undoing...The 600 million Arabs will win this war of attrition in time, however long it takes them...That is the reality and history of all past invaders to this land...

Always good to see someone with a good knowledge of history. Perhaps you could help me out here. What was that person's name who was the ruler of the Palestinian State just before the Jews overthrew him/her? Was that a state, a nation, or a country back then? Did they have a democracy, a dictator, or a socialist nation? I am assuming they had a flag of course. I would love to see a picture of it. You know, the one the Jews tore down obviously.

You don't have to be a Nation/State to have the rights of self-determination...Much like our-own American Indians...

"our-own"?

 

[pbel]

pbel, et al,

(OPPOSING VIEW)

First, the "3 million registered Palestinian refugees" (that is registered with the UNRWA) through the Consolidated Eligibility and Registration Instructions (CERI) are not necessarily the same as legally defined refugees under International Law under the Text of the 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees --- Text of the 1967 Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees --- Resolution 2198 (XXI) adopted by the United Nations General Assembly.

The Jewish State, as initially adopted in concept, has some established precedents and foundational principles that are not "uniquely" Jewish in origin, nature and source:

√ The land of Israel is the historic homeland of the Jewish people and the birthplace of the State of Israel.
√ The State of Israel is the national home of the Jewish people, in which it fulfills its right to self-determination according to its cultural and historic heritage.

• THE SAN REMO CONVENTION 1920: Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connexion of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country;
• LON Mandate for Palestine: Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people;
• Resolution 181 (II). Future government of Palestine: The mandatory Power shall use its best endeavours to ensure than an area situated in the territory of the Jewish State, including a seaport and hinterland adequate to provide facilities for a substantial immigration, shall be evacuated at the earliest possible date and in any event not later than 1 February 1948.
• Resolution 181 (II). Future government of Palestine: On its arrival in Palestine the Commission shall proceed to carry out measures for the establishment of the frontiers of the Arab and Jewish States and the City of Jerusalem in accordance with the general lines of the recommendations of the General Assembly on the partition of Palestine. Nevertheless, the boundaries as described in part II of this plan are to be modified in such a way that village areas as a rule will not be divided by state boundaries unless pressing reasons make that necessary.

Its clear that the future of Palestine will be determined by the demographics, not today or tomorrow but unstoppable.

Israel and Palestine need a one-state solution Al Jazeera America
A one-state solution
If Abbas really wants radical change for the Palestinians’ plight, he should dissolve the Palestinian Authority and turn over control of the West Bank to Israel — as he has repeatedly threatened to do — and then encourage Palestinians to demand annexation with all rights, protections and benefits granted to other Israelis. Given the one-state reality on the ground, removing the illusion of sovereign Arab institutions would render Israel responsible for the population it has subjugated for the last 70 years. A failure to rise to this challenge would expose it as an apartheid state.
Israel justifies its mistreatment of Palestinians by claiming that Arabs are not its responsibility. Whether they live within Israel or the occupied territories, they all ultimately belong in the unsettled West Bank and should be provided for by their own government — an attitude emphasized by Israel’s recent “nationality law” which defines the country as an explicitly, perhaps exclusively, Jewish state.
But in a unified Israel, Arabs would actually be the majority if afforded the same right to return given to the Jewish diaspora; there are 3 million registered Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, Syria and Jordan alone. And demographic projections suggest Jews will soon be the minority even without considering the Palestinian diaspora. Accordingly, Palestinians would have much more leverage in a one-state scenario; their quest would then be for equitable power sharing and civil rights.

(COMMENT)

The intent and purpose of the Arab in promoting a "One State" Solution is clear: to overrun and flood the Jewish National Home in such a way as to enable Arab Majority that will be able to demolish the Jewish National Home from the inside-out. Pushing the Jewish People out of the Jewish National Home and replacing the culture with their own Islamic Brand.

The decision makers of the Principle Allied Powers leading up to these events were educated through the mid-to-late 19th Century as the Arabs were persecuting the Jewish people.

• 1828: Massacre of Jews in Baghdad ---
• 1860s: Jews of Libya were subjected to punitive taxation ---
• 1864: Massacre 500 Jews in Marrakech and 300 in Fezin Morocco ---
• 1867: Massacre of Jews in Barfurush in 1867 ---
• 1891: Muslim leadership in Jerusalem petition the Sultan to prohibit the entry of Jews arriving from Russia ---
• 1897: Jews murdered and synagogues pillaged in Tripolitania ---

These events (just to name a few) weighed heavily on the minds that were to influence the judgement to save and protect the Jewish People and their culture throughout Europe, North Africa and the Middle East. While these event are to us, a century or more old, it was recent and contemporary events to them. And as the anti-Semitic violence grew in Europe in the early 20th Century, as well as fresh Arab-Jewish confrontations in the Mandate Territories grew, new reasons emerged (from the 1929 Riots to the Holocaust) to reinforce the original decision to establish a Jewish National Home.

The Arab promotion of a "One State" Solution is an attempt to make an end-run around the wisdom to create a safe haven that would protect the Jewish People from the terrorizing external influences that might once again -- throw them into the abyss.

Most Respectfully,
R

It really is a tragedy historically for the Jews, however it was the Europeans by far (not even close) that murdered them...They also created Israel by political fiat from a land where the people there had NOTHING to do with this killing and that logic escapes you...

This is not lost on the Arabs and yet they offer a peace deal that splits the land along with trade and acceptance...

The Israeli conquests and cultural greed will be their undoing...The 600 million Arabs will win this war of attrition in time, however long it takes them...That is the reality and history of all past invaders to this land...

Always good to see someone with a good knowledge of history. Perhaps you could help me out here. What was that person's name who was the ruler of the Palestinian State just before the Jews overthrew him/her? Was that a state, a nation, or a country back then? Did they have a democracy, a dictator, or a socialist nation? I am assuming they had a flag of course. I would love to see a picture of it. You know, the one the Jews tore down obviously.

You don't have to be a Nation/State to have the rights of self-determination...Much like our-own American Indians...

"our-own"?

Guess you're not American, are you an Israeli?

 

[RandomVariable]

pbel, et al,

(OPPOSING VIEW)

First, the "3 million registered Palestinian refugees" (that is registered with the UNRWA) through the Consolidated Eligibility and Registration Instructions (CERI) are not necessarily the same as legally defined refugees under International Law under the Text of the 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees --- Text of the 1967 Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees --- Resolution 2198 (XXI) adopted by the United Nations General Assembly.

The Jewish State, as initially adopted in concept, has some established precedents and foundational principles that are not "uniquely" Jewish in origin, nature and source:

√ The land of Israel is the historic homeland of the Jewish people and the birthplace of the State of Israel.
√ The State of Israel is the national home of the Jewish people, in which it fulfills its right to self-determination according to its cultural and historic heritage.

• THE SAN REMO CONVENTION 1920: Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connexion of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country;
• LON Mandate for Palestine: Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people;
• Resolution 181 (II). Future government of Palestine: The mandatory Power shall use its best endeavours to ensure than an area situated in the territory of the Jewish State, including a seaport and hinterland adequate to provide facilities for a substantial immigration, shall be evacuated at the earliest possible date and in any event not later than 1 February 1948.
• Resolution 181 (II). Future government of Palestine: On its arrival in Palestine the Commission shall proceed to carry out measures for the establishment of the frontiers of the Arab and Jewish States and the City of Jerusalem in accordance with the general lines of the recommendations of the General Assembly on the partition of Palestine. Nevertheless, the boundaries as described in part II of this plan are to be modified in such a way that village areas as a rule will not be divided by state boundaries unless pressing reasons make that necessary.

(COMMENT)

The intent and purpose of the Arab in promoting a "One State" Solution is clear: to overrun and flood the Jewish National Home in such a way as to enable Arab Majority that will be able to demolish the Jewish National Home from the inside-out. Pushing the Jewish People out of the Jewish National Home and replacing the culture with their own Islamic Brand.

The decision makers of the Principle Allied Powers leading up to these events were educated through the mid-to-late 19th Century as the Arabs were persecuting the Jewish people.

• 1828: Massacre of Jews in Baghdad ---
• 1860s: Jews of Libya were subjected to punitive taxation ---
• 1864: Massacre 500 Jews in Marrakech and 300 in Fezin Morocco ---
• 1867: Massacre of Jews in Barfurush in 1867 ---
• 1891: Muslim leadership in Jerusalem petition the Sultan to prohibit the entry of Jews arriving from Russia ---
• 1897: Jews murdered and synagogues pillaged in Tripolitania ---

These events (just to name a few) weighed heavily on the minds that were to influence the judgement to save and protect the Jewish People and their culture throughout Europe, North Africa and the Middle East. While these event are to us, a century or more old, it was recent and contemporary events to them. And as the anti-Semitic violence grew in Europe in the early 20th Century, as well as fresh Arab-Jewish confrontations in the Mandate Territories grew, new reasons emerged (from the 1929 Riots to the Holocaust) to reinforce the original decision to establish a Jewish National Home.

The Arab promotion of a "One State" Solution is an attempt to make an end-run around the wisdom to create a safe haven that would protect the Jewish People from the terrorizing external influences that might once again -- throw them into the abyss.

Most Respectfully,
R

It really is a tragedy historically for the Jews, however it was the Europeans by far (not even close) that murdered them...They also created Israel by political fiat from a land where the people there had NOTHING to do with this killing and that logic escapes you...

This is not lost on the Arabs and yet they offer a peace deal that splits the land along with trade and acceptance...

The Israeli conquests and cultural greed will be their undoing...The 600 million Arabs will win this war of attrition in time, however long it takes them...That is the reality and history of all past invaders to this land...

Always good to see someone with a good knowledge of history. Perhaps you could help me out here. What was that person's name who was the ruler of the Palestinian State just before the Jews overthrew him/her? Was that a state, a nation, or a country back then? Did they have a democracy, a dictator, or a socialist nation? I am assuming they had a flag of course. I would love to see a picture of it. You know, the one the Jews tore down obviously.

You don't have to be a Nation/State to have the rights of self-determination...Much like our-own American Indians...

"our-own"?

Guess you're not American, are you an Israeli?

No, I am American alright. I just find the term "our-own" as a bit demeaning. Especially coming from someone as sensitive to others' status as you. (A little secret, just between me and you, you really don't give a **** about the Palestinians. You do hate Jews however. )

 

[pbel]

pbel, et al,

(OPPOSING VIEW)

First, the "3 million registered Palestinian refugees" (that is registered with the UNRWA) through the Consolidated Eligibility and Registration Instructions (CERI) are not necessarily the same as legally defined refugees under International Law under the Text of the 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees --- Text of the 1967 Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees --- Resolution 2198 (XXI) adopted by the United Nations General Assembly.

The Jewish State, as initially adopted in concept, has some established precedents and foundational principles that are not "uniquely" Jewish in origin, nature and source:

√ The land of Israel is the historic homeland of the Jewish people and the birthplace of the State of Israel.
√ The State of Israel is the national home of the Jewish people, in which it fulfills its right to self-determination according to its cultural and historic heritage.

• THE SAN REMO CONVENTION 1920: Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connexion of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country;
• LON Mandate for Palestine: Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people;
• Resolution 181 (II). Future government of Palestine: The mandatory Power shall use its best endeavours to ensure than an area situated in the territory of the Jewish State, including a seaport and hinterland adequate to provide facilities for a substantial immigration, shall be evacuated at the earliest possible date and in any event not later than 1 February 1948.
• Resolution 181 (II). Future government of Palestine: On its arrival in Palestine the Commission shall proceed to carry out measures for the establishment of the frontiers of the Arab and Jewish States and the City of Jerusalem in accordance with the general lines of the recommendations of the General Assembly on the partition of Palestine. Nevertheless, the boundaries as described in part II of this plan are to be modified in such a way that village areas as a rule will not be divided by state boundaries unless pressing reasons make that necessary.

Its clear that the future of Palestine will be determined by the demographics, not today or tomorrow but unstoppable.

Israel and Palestine need a one-state solution Al Jazeera America
A one-state solution
If Abbas really wants radical change for the Palestinians’ plight, he should dissolve the Palestinian Authority and turn over control of the West Bank to Israel — as he has repeatedly threatened to do — and then encourage Palestinians to demand annexation with all rights, protections and benefits granted to other Israelis. Given the one-state reality on the ground, removing the illusion of sovereign Arab institutions would render Israel responsible for the population it has subjugated for the last 70 years. A failure to rise to this challenge would expose it as an apartheid state.
Israel justifies its mistreatment of Palestinians by claiming that Arabs are not its responsibility. Whether they live within Israel or the occupied territories, they all ultimately belong in the unsettled West Bank and should be provided for by their own government — an attitude emphasized by Israel’s recent “nationality law” which defines the country as an explicitly, perhaps exclusively, Jewish state.
But in a unified Israel, Arabs would actually be the majority if afforded the same right to return given to the Jewish diaspora; there are 3 million registered Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, Syria and Jordan alone. And demographic projections suggest Jews will soon be the minority even without considering the Palestinian diaspora. Accordingly, Palestinians would have much more leverage in a one-state scenario; their quest would then be for equitable power sharing and civil rights.

(COMMENT)

The intent and purpose of the Arab in promoting a "One State" Solution is clear: to overrun and flood the Jewish National Home in such a way as to enable Arab Majority that will be able to demolish the Jewish National Home from the inside-out. Pushing the Jewish People out of the Jewish National Home and replacing the culture with their own Islamic Brand.

The decision makers of the Principle Allied Powers leading up to these events were educated through the mid-to-late 19th Century as the Arabs were persecuting the Jewish people.

• 1828: Massacre of Jews in Baghdad ---
• 1860s: Jews of Libya were subjected to punitive taxation ---
• 1864: Massacre 500 Jews in Marrakech and 300 in Fezin Morocco ---
• 1867: Massacre of Jews in Barfurush in 1867 ---
• 1891: Muslim leadership in Jerusalem petition the Sultan to prohibit the entry of Jews arriving from Russia ---
• 1897: Jews murdered and synagogues pillaged in Tripolitania ---

These events (just to name a few) weighed heavily on the minds that were to influence the judgement to save and protect the Jewish People and their culture throughout Europe, North Africa and the Middle East. While these event are to us, a century or more old, it was recent and contemporary events to them. And as the anti-Semitic violence grew in Europe in the early 20th Century, as well as fresh Arab-Jewish confrontations in the Mandate Territories grew, new reasons emerged (from the 1929 Riots to the Holocaust) to reinforce the original decision to establish a Jewish National Home.

The Arab promotion of a "One State" Solution is an attempt to make an end-run around the wisdom to create a safe haven that would protect the Jewish People from the terrorizing external influences that might once again -- throw them into the abyss.

Most Respectfully,
R

It really is a tragedy historically for the Jews, however it was the Europeans by far (not even close) that murdered them...They also created Israel by political fiat from a land where the people there had NOTHING to do with this killing and that logic escapes you...

This is not lost on the Arabs and yet they offer a peace deal that splits the land along with trade and acceptance...

The Israeli conquests and cultural greed will be their undoing...The 600 million Arabs will win this war of attrition in time, however long it takes them...That is the reality and history of all past invaders to this land...

Always good to see someone with a good knowledge of history. Perhaps you could help me out here. What was that person's name who was the ruler of the Palestinian State just before the Jews overthrew him/her? Was that a state, a nation, or a country back then? Did they have a democracy, a dictator, or a socialist nation? I am assuming they had a flag of course. I would love to see a picture of it. You know, the one the Jews tore down obviously.

PS

What NationState did the Jews invade from and who was their leader?

 

[pbel]

It really is a tragedy historically for the Jews, however it was the Europeans by far (not even close) that murdered them...They also created Israel by political fiat from a land where the people there had NOTHING to do with this killing and that logic escapes you...

This is not lost on the Arabs and yet they offer a peace deal that splits the land along with trade and acceptance...

The Israeli conquests and cultural greed will be their undoing...The 600 million Arabs will win this war of attrition in time, however long it takes them...That is the reality and history of all past invaders to this land...

Always good to see someone with a good knowledge of history. Perhaps you could help me out here. What was that person's name who was the ruler of the Palestinian State just before the Jews overthrew him/her? Was that a state, a nation, or a country back then? Did they have a democracy, a dictator, or a socialist nation? I am assuming they had a flag of course. I would love to see a picture of it. You know, the one the Jews tore down obviously.

You don't have to be a Nation/State to have the rights of self-determination...Much like our-own American Indians...

"our-own"?

Guess you're not American, are you an Israeli?

No, I am American alright. I just find the term "our-own" as a bit demeaning. Especially coming from someone as sensitive to others' status as you. (A little secret, just between me and you, you really don't give a **** about the Palestinians. You do hate Jews however. )

Why would hate of anyone change the facts? (just between you and me, do you hate Palestinians?)

 

[pbel]

It really is a tragedy historically for the Jews, however it was the Europeans by far (not even close) that murdered them...They also created Israel by political fiat from a land where the people there had NOTHING to do with this killing and that logic escapes you...

This is not lost on the Arabs and yet they offer a peace deal that splits the land along with trade and acceptance...

The Israeli conquests and cultural greed will be their undoing...The 600 million Arabs will win this war of attrition in time, however long it takes them...That is the reality and history of all past invaders to this land...

Always good to see someone with a good knowledge of history. Perhaps you could help me out here. What was that person's name who was the ruler of the Palestinian State just before the Jews overthrew him/her? Was that a state, a nation, or a country back then? Did they have a democracy, a dictator, or a socialist nation? I am assuming they had a flag of course. I would love to see a picture of it. You know, the one the Jews tore down obviously.

You don't have to be a Nation/State to have the rights of self-determination...Much like our-own American Indians...

"our-own"?

Guess you're not American, are you an Israeli?

No, I am American alright. I just find the term "our-own" as a bit demeaning. Especially coming from someone as sensitive to others' status as you. (A little secret, just between me and you, you really don't give a **** about the Palestinians. You do hate Jews however. )

Where did you go?

pbel, et al,

(OPPOSING VIEW)

First, the "3 million registered Palestinian refugees" (that is registered with the UNRWA) through the Consolidated Eligibility and Registration Instructions (CERI) are not necessarily the same as legally defined refugees under International Law under the Text of the 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees --- Text of the 1967 Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees --- Resolution 2198 (XXI) adopted by the United Nations General Assembly.

The Jewish State, as initially adopted in concept, has some established precedents and foundational principles that are not "uniquely" Jewish in origin, nature and source:

√ The land of Israel is the historic homeland of the Jewish people and the birthplace of the State of Israel.
√ The State of Israel is the national home of the Jewish people, in which it fulfills its right to self-determination according to its cultural and historic heritage.

• THE SAN REMO CONVENTION 1920: Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connexion of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country;
• LON Mandate for Palestine: Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people;
• Resolution 181 (II). Future government of Palestine: The mandatory Power shall use its best endeavours to ensure than an area situated in the territory of the Jewish State, including a seaport and hinterland adequate to provide facilities for a substantial immigration, shall be evacuated at the earliest possible date and in any event not later than 1 February 1948.
• Resolution 181 (II). Future government of Palestine: On its arrival in Palestine the Commission shall proceed to carry out measures for the establishment of the frontiers of the Arab and Jewish States and the City of Jerusalem in accordance with the general lines of the recommendations of the General Assembly on the partition of Palestine. Nevertheless, the boundaries as described in part II of this plan are to be modified in such a way that village areas as a rule will not be divided by state boundaries unless pressing reasons make that necessary.

Its clear that the future of Palestine will be determined by the demographics, not today or tomorrow but unstoppable.

Israel and Palestine need a one-state solution Al Jazeera America
A one-state solution
If Abbas really wants radical change for the Palestinians’ plight, he should dissolve the Palestinian Authority and turn over control of the West Bank to Israel — as he has repeatedly threatened to do — and then encourage Palestinians to demand annexation with all rights, protections and benefits granted to other Israelis. Given the one-state reality on the ground, removing the illusion of sovereign Arab institutions would render Israel responsible for the population it has subjugated for the last 70 years. A failure to rise to this challenge would expose it as an apartheid state.
Israel justifies its mistreatment of Palestinians by claiming that Arabs are not its responsibility. Whether they live within Israel or the occupied territories, they all ultimately belong in the unsettled West Bank and should be provided for by their own government — an attitude emphasized by Israel’s recent “nationality law” which defines the country as an explicitly, perhaps exclusively, Jewish state.
But in a unified Israel, Arabs would actually be the majority if afforded the same right to return given to the Jewish diaspora; there are 3 million registered Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, Syria and Jordan alone. And demographic projections suggest Jews will soon be the minority even without considering the Palestinian diaspora. Accordingly, Palestinians would have much more leverage in a one-state scenario; their quest would then be for equitable power sharing and civil rights.

(COMMENT)

The intent and purpose of the Arab in promoting a "One State" Solution is clear: to overrun and flood the Jewish National Home in such a way as to enable Arab Majority that will be able to demolish the Jewish National Home from the inside-out. Pushing the Jewish People out of the Jewish National Home and replacing the culture with their own Islamic Brand.

The decision makers of the Principle Allied Powers leading up to these events were educated through the mid-to-late 19th Century as the Arabs were persecuting the Jewish people.

• 1828: Massacre of Jews in Baghdad ---
• 1860s: Jews of Libya were subjected to punitive taxation ---
• 1864: Massacre 500 Jews in Marrakech and 300 in Fezin Morocco ---
• 1867: Massacre of Jews in Barfurush in 1867 ---
• 1891: Muslim leadership in Jerusalem petition the Sultan to prohibit the entry of Jews arriving from Russia ---
• 1897: Jews murdered and synagogues pillaged in Tripolitania ---

These events (just to name a few) weighed heavily on the minds that were to influence the judgement to save and protect the Jewish People and their culture throughout Europe, North Africa and the Middle East. While these event are to us, a century or more old, it was recent and contemporary events to them. And as the anti-Semitic violence grew in Europe in the early 20th Century, as well as fresh Arab-Jewish confrontations in the Mandate Territories grew, new reasons emerged (from the 1929 Riots to the Holocaust) to reinforce the original decision to establish a Jewish National Home.

The Arab promotion of a "One State" Solution is an attempt to make an end-run around the wisdom to create a safe haven that would protect the Jewish People from the terrorizing external influences that might once again -- throw them into the abyss.

Most Respectfully,
R

It really is a tragedy historically for the Jews, however it was the Europeans by far (not even close) that murdered them...They also created Israel by political fiat from a land where the people there had NOTHING to do with this killing and that logic escapes you...

This is not lost on the Arabs and yet they offer a peace deal that splits the land along with trade and acceptance...

The Israeli conquests and cultural greed will be their undoing...The 600 million Arabs will win this war of attrition in time, however long it takes them...That is the reality and history of all past invaders to this land...

Always good to see someone with a good knowledge of history. Perhaps you could help me out here. What was that person's name who was the ruler of the Palestinian State just before the Jews overthrew him/her? Was that a state, a nation, or a country back then? Did they have a democracy, a dictator, or a socialist nation? I am assuming they had a flag of course. I would love to see a picture of it. You know, the one the Jews tore down obviously.

PS

What NationState did the Jews invade from and who was their leader?

Where did you go? You left your panties!

 

[toastman]

pbel, et al,

(OPPOSING VIEW)

First, the "3 million registered Palestinian refugees" (that is registered with the UNRWA) through the Consolidated Eligibility and Registration Instructions (CERI) are not necessarily the same as legally defined refugees under International Law under the Text of the 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees --- Text of the 1967 Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees --- Resolution 2198 (XXI) adopted by the United Nations General Assembly.

The Jewish State, as initially adopted in concept, has some established precedents and foundational principles that are not "uniquely" Jewish in origin, nature and source:

√ The land of Israel is the historic homeland of the Jewish people and the birthplace of the State of Israel.
√ The State of Israel is the national home of the Jewish people, in which it fulfills its right to self-determination according to its cultural and historic heritage.

• THE SAN REMO CONVENTION 1920: Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connexion of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country;
• LON Mandate for Palestine: Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people;
• Resolution 181 (II). Future government of Palestine: The mandatory Power shall use its best endeavours to ensure than an area situated in the territory of the Jewish State, including a seaport and hinterland adequate to provide facilities for a substantial immigration, shall be evacuated at the earliest possible date and in any event not later than 1 February 1948.
• Resolution 181 (II). Future government of Palestine: On its arrival in Palestine the Commission shall proceed to carry out measures for the establishment of the frontiers of the Arab and Jewish States and the City of Jerusalem in accordance with the general lines of the recommendations of the General Assembly on the partition of Palestine. Nevertheless, the boundaries as described in part II of this plan are to be modified in such a way that village areas as a rule will not be divided by state boundaries unless pressing reasons make that necessary.

Its clear that the future of Palestine will be determined by the demographics, not today or tomorrow but unstoppable.

Israel and Palestine need a one-state solution Al Jazeera America
A one-state solution
If Abbas really wants radical change for the Palestinians’ plight, he should dissolve the Palestinian Authority and turn over control of the West Bank to Israel — as he has repeatedly threatened to do — and then encourage Palestinians to demand annexation with all rights, protections and benefits granted to other Israelis. Given the one-state reality on the ground, removing the illusion of sovereign Arab institutions would render Israel responsible for the population it has subjugated for the last 70 years. A failure to rise to this challenge would expose it as an apartheid state.
Israel justifies its mistreatment of Palestinians by claiming that Arabs are not its responsibility. Whether they live within Israel or the occupied territories, they all ultimately belong in the unsettled West Bank and should be provided for by their own government — an attitude emphasized by Israel’s recent “nationality law” which defines the country as an explicitly, perhaps exclusively, Jewish state.
But in a unified Israel, Arabs would actually be the majority if afforded the same right to return given to the Jewish diaspora; there are 3 million registered Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, Syria and Jordan alone. And demographic projections suggest Jews will soon be the minority even without considering the Palestinian diaspora. Accordingly, Palestinians would have much more leverage in a one-state scenario; their quest would then be for equitable power sharing and civil rights.

(COMMENT)

The intent and purpose of the Arab in promoting a "One State" Solution is clear: to overrun and flood the Jewish National Home in such a way as to enable Arab Majority that will be able to demolish the Jewish National Home from the inside-out. Pushing the Jewish People out of the Jewish National Home and replacing the culture with their own Islamic Brand.

The decision makers of the Principle Allied Powers leading up to these events were educated through the mid-to-late 19th Century as the Arabs were persecuting the Jewish people.

• 1828: Massacre of Jews in Baghdad ---
• 1860s: Jews of Libya were subjected to punitive taxation ---
• 1864: Massacre 500 Jews in Marrakech and 300 in Fezin Morocco ---
• 1867: Massacre of Jews in Barfurush in 1867 ---
• 1891: Muslim leadership in Jerusalem petition the Sultan to prohibit the entry of Jews arriving from Russia ---
• 1897: Jews murdered and synagogues pillaged in Tripolitania ---

These events (just to name a few) weighed heavily on the minds that were to influence the judgement to save and protect the Jewish People and their culture throughout Europe, North Africa and the Middle East. While these event are to us, a century or more old, it was recent and contemporary events to them. And as the anti-Semitic violence grew in Europe in the early 20th Century, as well as fresh Arab-Jewish confrontations in the Mandate Territories grew, new reasons emerged (from the 1929 Riots to the Holocaust) to reinforce the original decision to establish a Jewish National Home.

The Arab promotion of a "One State" Solution is an attempt to make an end-run around the wisdom to create a safe haven that would protect the Jewish People from the terrorizing external influences that might once again -- throw them into the abyss.

Most Respectfully,
R

It really is a tragedy historically for the Jews, however it was the Europeans by far (not even close) that murdered them...They also created Israel by political fiat from a land where the people there had NOTHING to do with this killing and that logic escapes you...

This is not lost on the Arabs and yet they offer a peace deal that splits the land along with trade and acceptance...

The Israeli conquests and cultural greed will be their undoing...The 600 million Arabs will win this war of attrition in time, however long it takes them...That is the reality and history of all past invaders to this land...

Except Jews never invaded Israel. Whoops !

Well then, how did they get there?

Magic carpet, obviously

 

[montelatici]

I too am for a one state solution. Israel must find a way to send the Palestinian squatters back to their indigenous Arab country homelands. LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

The Jews are the squatters, they should go back to Europe where they came from. Let there be peace.

 

[montelatici]

pbel, et al,

(OPPOSING VIEW)

First, the "3 million registered Palestinian refugees" (that is registered with the UNRWA) through the Consolidated Eligibility and Registration Instructions (CERI) are not necessarily the same as legally defined refugees under International Law under the Text of the 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees --- Text of the 1967 Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees --- Resolution 2198 (XXI) adopted by the United Nations General Assembly.

The Jewish State, as initially adopted in concept, has some established precedents and foundational principles that are not "uniquely" Jewish in origin, nature and source:

√ The land of Israel is the historic homeland of the Jewish people and the birthplace of the State of Israel.
√ The State of Israel is the national home of the Jewish people, in which it fulfills its right to self-determination according to its cultural and historic heritage.

• THE SAN REMO CONVENTION 1920: Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connexion of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country;
• LON Mandate for Palestine: Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people;
• Resolution 181 (II). Future government of Palestine: The mandatory Power shall use its best endeavours to ensure than an area situated in the territory of the Jewish State, including a seaport and hinterland adequate to provide facilities for a substantial immigration, shall be evacuated at the earliest possible date and in any event not later than 1 February 1948.
• Resolution 181 (II). Future government of Palestine: On its arrival in Palestine the Commission shall proceed to carry out measures for the establishment of the frontiers of the Arab and Jewish States and the City of Jerusalem in accordance with the general lines of the recommendations of the General Assembly on the partition of Palestine. Nevertheless, the boundaries as described in part II of this plan are to be modified in such a way that village areas as a rule will not be divided by state boundaries unless pressing reasons make that necessary.

Its clear that the future of Palestine will be determined by the demographics, not today or tomorrow but unstoppable.

Israel and Palestine need a one-state solution Al Jazeera America
A one-state solution
If Abbas really wants radical change for the Palestinians’ plight, he should dissolve the Palestinian Authority and turn over control of the West Bank to Israel — as he has repeatedly threatened to do — and then encourage Palestinians to demand annexation with all rights, protections and benefits granted to other Israelis. Given the one-state reality on the ground, removing the illusion of sovereign Arab institutions would render Israel responsible for the population it has subjugated for the last 70 years. A failure to rise to this challenge would expose it as an apartheid state.
Israel justifies its mistreatment of Palestinians by claiming that Arabs are not its responsibility. Whether they live within Israel or the occupied territories, they all ultimately belong in the unsettled West Bank and should be provided for by their own government — an attitude emphasized by Israel’s recent “nationality law” which defines the country as an explicitly, perhaps exclusively, Jewish state.
But in a unified Israel, Arabs would actually be the majority if afforded the same right to return given to the Jewish diaspora; there are 3 million registered Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, Syria and Jordan alone. And demographic projections suggest Jews will soon be the minority even without considering the Palestinian diaspora. Accordingly, Palestinians would have much more leverage in a one-state scenario; their quest would then be for equitable power sharing and civil rights.

(COMMENT)

The intent and purpose of the Arab in promoting a "One State" Solution is clear: to overrun and flood the Jewish National Home in such a way as to enable Arab Majority that will be able to demolish the Jewish National Home from the inside-out. Pushing the Jewish People out of the Jewish National Home and replacing the culture with their own Islamic Brand.

The decision makers of the Principle Allied Powers leading up to these events were educated through the mid-to-late 19th Century as the Arabs were persecuting the Jewish people.

• 1828: Massacre of Jews in Baghdad ---
• 1860s: Jews of Libya were subjected to punitive taxation ---
• 1864: Massacre 500 Jews in Marrakech and 300 in Fezin Morocco ---
• 1867: Massacre of Jews in Barfurush in 1867 ---
• 1891: Muslim leadership in Jerusalem petition the Sultan to prohibit the entry of Jews arriving from Russia ---
• 1897: Jews murdered and synagogues pillaged in Tripolitania ---

These events (just to name a few) weighed heavily on the minds that were to influence the judgement to save and protect the Jewish People and their culture throughout Europe, North Africa and the Middle East. While these event are to us, a century or more old, it was recent and contemporary events to them. And as the anti-Semitic violence grew in Europe in the early 20th Century, as well as fresh Arab-Jewish confrontations in the Mandate Territories grew, new reasons emerged (from the 1929 Riots to the Holocaust) to reinforce the original decision to establish a Jewish National Home.

The Arab promotion of a "One State" Solution is an attempt to make an end-run around the wisdom to create a safe haven that would protect the Jewish People from the terrorizing external influences that might once again -- throw them into the abyss.

Most Respectfully,
R

It really is a tragedy historically for the Jews, however it was the Europeans by far (not even close) that murdered them...They also created Israel by political fiat from a land where the people there had NOTHING to do with this killing and that logic escapes you...

This is not lost on the Arabs and yet they offer a peace deal that splits the land along with trade and acceptance...

The Israeli conquests and cultural greed will be their undoing...The 600 million Arabs will win this war of attrition in time, however long it takes them...That is the reality and history of all past invaders to this land...

Always good to see someone with a good knowledge of history. Perhaps you could help me out here. What was that person's name who was the ruler of the Palestinian State just before the Jews overthrew him/her? Was that a state, a nation, or a country back then? Did they have a democracy, a dictator, or a socialist nation? I am assuming they had a flag of course. I would love to see a picture of it. You know, the one the Jews tore down obviously.

The Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem.

 

[teddyearp]

I dare Abbas to do this. I double dare him to do so! But he will not. Why? Because he and Mashall and many others will find themselves without huge amounts of money to be skimmed from the rank and file Palestinians. In short, they will be broke suckers very soon.

On the flip side, the rank and file Palestinians will find themselves suddenly immersed in a society that doesn't preach death, doesn't teach its children to hate and kill, doesn't make heroes out of suicide bombers, doesn't make heroes out of people that commit random acts of violence like using cars, knives, and other simple means to kill other innocent civilians. A society that will teach them the truth and not withhold it, nor teach them lies.

Do I really need to go on?

BRING IT!

 

[teddyearp]

Where did you go? You left your panties!

You give a person one hour and twenty one minutes to reply?????? And I thought I was bad giving Grendelyn a week + to reply!