One more reason why republicans will lose big in 2014

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

Republicans just can't help themselves. They really, really, really want to do the right thing. But there is an element in their party and a rightwing media that just won't let them. So they just go on saying offensive things and driving minority voters over to the democrats

Oh I'm sure the left would never even DREAM of introducing race into the discussion, and attempt label their opponents as such, when they don't happen to agree with Obama's policies. It's much easier to take the low road than stand and defend a difference of opinion.

 

[rightwinger]

The problem for Republicans is not 2014

They can continue their obstruction of immigration reform and still win. But they will pay a price for the rhetoric coming out of their party. They will pay a price for looking the other way as their fringe element alienates Hispanic voters

That price will be a generation of Hispanics refusing to vote Republican. it will be Florida turning solid blue. It will be Texas and Arizona turning purple. When that happens, Republicans will never elect another President and a permanent Democratic Senate.

 

[Meister]

Once there is amnesty, who's going to be doing those jobs that "nobody else will do" at below min. wage? This is why there will never be a closed border, just amnesty after amnesty.
GOP gets it and the dems want the voting block.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

Once there is amnesty, who's going to be doing those jobs that "nobody else will do" at below min. wage? This is why there will never be a closed border, just amnesty after amnesty.
GOP gets it and the dems want the voting block.

Isn't that all the Democrats really care about is enlisting another voting block, not whether taking such action encourages and endorses the breaking of current Federal Immigration laws that every other immigrant must follow?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Republicans just can't help themselves. They really, really, really want to do the right thing. But there is an element in their party and a rightwing media that just won't let them. So they just go on saying offensive things and driving minority voters over to the democrats

Oh I'm sure the left would never even DREAM of introducing race into the discussion, and attempt label their opponents as such, when they don't happen to agree with Obama's policies. It's much easier to take the low road than stand and defend a difference of opinion.

Of course, they do, but it is easier to hit us when our "own" kind do it, shakles, is the problem.

 

[Stephanie]

Republicans just can't help themselves. They really, really, really want to do the right thing. But there is an element in their party and a rightwing media that just won't let them. So they just go on saying offensive things and driving minority voters over to the democrats

lol, an element, so that is another new name for the people in this country

you lefties are just full of wonderful labels...

 

[Stephanie]

Obama needs more bodies in this country to pay for his fascist government program, Ofailnocare

that's the only reason he is pushing this at all...

 

[rightwinger]

Republicans just can't help themselves. They really, really, really want to do the right thing. But there is an element in their party and a rightwing media that just won't let them. So they just go on saying offensive things and driving minority voters over to the democrats

lol, an element, so that is another new name for the people in this country

you lefties are just full of wonderful labels...

Maybe element isn't the correct term. What I really mean is there are a bunch of assholes in their party that won't let them do the right thing

 

[JakeStarkey]

The sensible GOP are putting strap down diapers on the TeaP assholes.

 

[Zander]

Immigration reform is DOA until after the 2014 mid-terms at the earliest. Democrats might try to revive the isssue, but they'll get nowhere.

2014 will have 2 issues of concern:

1) The debt ceiling / budget deficit
2) the train wreck known as Obamacare.

If the GOP is smart they'll take some small concessions on spending in exchange for raising the debt limit and move on.

Then focus on the 900 lb gorilla in the room- Obamacare. Obamacare is a yoke around the neck of every Democrat in the country. They passed it, they OWN it- Lock, stock, and Barrel!

The website problems are just the beginning.......

 

[1776]

Sure dumbfuck...whatever.

The Democraps lost big time in the last midterm election over "obamacare" and that was before it was actually fucking people's lives up like now. Nevermind the silly website can't work and people realize their "gods in DC" are really liars and idiots.

It is over for Obama and his fellow scum. Go fuck yourself.

After the republicans got thrashed in the last election they set up a commission to evaluate why they lost and how to avoid losing in the future. The prime finding of the commission was that the demographics of America were changing (no surprise there) and that if the republicans wanted to remain relevant they needed to change also. The recommendation was that the republican party needs to actively work toward bringing Hispanics into the party.
They have a perfect chance to do that now but I fully expect that the republican party will once again shoot themselves in the foot. What the republicans need to do is to come out with a broad immigration plan that offers a way for Hispanics to become American citizens. But THAT is exactly what President Obama is preparing to do. This places the republicans in a bind. Should they strongly support a sweeping immigration plan (similar to what Obama is offering) OR should they dig in their heels and refuse to accept any plan Obama offers just as they have done throughout the last five years.
I am betting that the republicans will dig in their heels and refuse to offer a plan similar to Obama's. In other words, they will once again play the obstruction card and in the process slap the people who could help them win elections in the face. And then, after losing the Hispanic vote by a wide margin in 2014, they will once again scratch their heads and ask "Why did we lose? I don't understand."

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

After the republicans got thrashed in the last election they set up a commission to evaluate why they lost and how to avoid losing in the future. The prime finding of the commission was that the demographics of America were changing (no surprise there) and that if the republicans wanted to remain relevant they needed to change also. The recommendation was that the republican party needs to actively work toward bringing Hispanics into the party.
They have a perfect chance to do that now but I fully expect that the republican party will once again shoot themselves in the foot. What the republicans need to do is to come out with a broad immigration plan that offers a way for Hispanics to become American citizens. But THAT is exactly what President Obama is preparing to do. This places the republicans in a bind. Should they strongly support a sweeping immigration plan (similar to what Obama is offering) OR should they dig in their heels and refuse to accept any plan Obama offers just as they have done throughout the last five years.
I am betting that the republicans will dig in their heels and refuse to offer a plan similar to Obama's. In other words, they will once again play the obstruction card and in the process slap the people who could help them win elections in the face. And then, after losing the Hispanic vote by a wide margin in 2014, they will once again scratch their heads and ask "Why did we lose? I don't understand."

Republicans lose on the issue of immigration because many on the right fear change and diversity; they perceive such change and an increasingly inclusive American society as a threat to their positions of advantage and privilege.

And there is a significant element of racism present in the Republican Party republican politicians of good faith must acknowledge and also fear.

This does not mean republicans are racist, or that racism is an official tenet of the Republican Party. So too are conservatives not racist, nor is racism an official tenet of conservative political dogma – but racists, for the most part, do identify as conservative and are more likely to be attracted to the GOP.

This racism manifests itself as an animosity toward Hispanics perceived by many republicans and conservatives as interlopers, seeking not freedom but jobs, and refusing to assimilate.

Hispanic Americans correctly perceive this animosity as indeed racism toward Hispanic persons, and consequently vote democratic. Republican opposition to immigration reform is also correctly perceived by Hispanic voters as animus toward the Hispanic community, where republicans seek only to ‘stem the tide’ of Hispanic immigration.

Republican politicians need to find the courage to stand up to the racist elements in their Party and support comprehensive immigration reform; the alternative is to continue to drift closer to the abyss of political irrelevance.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Sure dumbfuck...whatever.

The Democraps lost big time in the last midterm election over "obamacare" and that was before it was actually fucking people's lives up like now. Nevermind the silly website can't work and people realize their "gods in DC" are really liars and idiots.

It is over for Obama and his fellow scum. Go fuck yourself.

And here we see an example of the stupidity, hate, and ignorance common among the right that will also contribute to the continued failure of the GOP.

 

[Esmeralda]

Not at all, OKTexas, that won't pass the Senate.

All three components must be passed in the same bill.

If not the reactionaries will renege on the other two, if only a close the border bill is passed first.

The Dems and business are willing to have no bill pass because they will benefit, one at the ballot box and the other in the cash box.

You mean like the commies reneged on border security with Reagan? We can actually learn from history here and not make the same mistakes again. Security will be first with the house all else is dead until that is accomplished.

As long as people in the GOP consider Democrats to be 'Communists,' their party will never get anywhere. It's so totally foolish and ignorant to hold such a point of view.

 

[Stephanie]

After the republicans got thrashed in the last election they set up a commission to evaluate why they lost and how to avoid losing in the future. The prime finding of the commission was that the demographics of America were changing (no surprise there) and that if the republicans wanted to remain relevant they needed to change also. The recommendation was that the republican party needs to actively work toward bringing Hispanics into the party.
They have a perfect chance to do that now but I fully expect that the republican party will once again shoot themselves in the foot. What the republicans need to do is to come out with a broad immigration plan that offers a way for Hispanics to become American citizens. But THAT is exactly what President Obama is preparing to do. This places the republicans in a bind. Should they strongly support a sweeping immigration plan (similar to what Obama is offering) OR should they dig in their heels and refuse to accept any plan Obama offers just as they have done throughout the last five years.
I am betting that the republicans will dig in their heels and refuse to offer a plan similar to Obama's. In other words, they will once again play the obstruction card and in the process slap the people who could help them win elections in the face. And then, after losing the Hispanic vote by a wide margin in 2014, they will once again scratch their heads and ask "Why did we lose? I don't understand."

Republicans lose on the issue of immigration because many on the right fear change and diversity; they perceive such change and an increasingly inclusive American society as a threat to their positions of advantage and privilege.

And there is a significant element of racism present in the Republican Party republican politicians of good faith must acknowledge and also fear.

This does not mean republicans are racist, or that racism is an official tenet of the Republican Party. So too are conservatives not racist, nor is racism an official tenet of conservative political dogma – but racists, for the most part, do identify as conservative and are more likely to be attracted to the GOP.

This racism manifests itself as an animosity toward Hispanics perceived by many republicans and conservatives as interlopers, seeking not freedom but jobs, and refusing to assimilate.

Hispanic Americans correctly perceive this animosity as indeed racism toward Hispanic persons, and consequently vote democratic. Republican opposition to immigration reform is also correctly perceived by Hispanic voters as animus toward the Hispanic community, where republicans seek only to ‘stem the tide’ of Hispanic immigration.

Republican politicians need to find the courage to stand up to the racist elements in their Party and support comprehensive immigration reform; the alternative is to continue to drift closer to the abyss of political irrelevance.

oh brother...stable the high horse...

they are AFRAID of change and diversity

that's why they were right up in there to free slaves, march with Martin Luther King, and lets see, who gave them Amnesty once before? not you Democrats.... etc etc

Legal Hispanic Americans don't want broad blanket amnesty either...they see how the job market is now with 7.2 % unemployment...but hey, what does Obama care about jobs for the people in this country, Obama needs to pander to another group to cause more hate and division in this country, this time it's Hispanics

and lets see, what party and president came out and took the black persons side(if I had a son he's look like trayvon Martin over the Hispanic Zimmerman?

you're just a blowhard partisan hack who think you know how Republicans/Conservatives...when it's all your made up imagination and painting with your broad brush...

you are a real ugly liar, how do you sleep at night?

 

[Esmeralda]

Sure dumbfuck...whatever.

The Democraps lost big time in the last midterm election over "obamacare" and that was before it was actually fucking people's lives up like now. Nevermind the silly website can't work and people realize their "gods in DC" are really liars and idiots.

It is over for Obama and his fellow scum. Go fuck yourself.

And here we see an example of the stupidity, hate, and ignorance common among the right that will also contribute to the continued failure of the GOP.

Yep. It never takes long for these guys to illustrate a point.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Not at all, OKTexas, that won't pass the Senate.

All three components must be passed in the same bill.

If not the reactionaries will renege on the other two, if only a close the border bill is passed first.

The Dems and business are willing to have no bill pass because they will benefit, one at the ballot box and the other in the cash box.

You mean like the commies reneged on border security with Reagan? We can actually learn from history here and not make the same mistakes again. Security will be first with the house all else is dead until that is accomplished.

As long as people in the GOP consider Democrats to be 'Communists,' their party will never get anywhere. It's so totally foolish and ignorant to hold such a point of view.

You are right of course. The loonies who use terms "commies" and "socialists" etc have no idea of the definitions, what they mean, how they are used historically, etc.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Not at all, OKTexas, that won't pass the Senate.

All three components must be passed in the same bill.

If not the reactionaries will renege on the other two, if only a close the border bill is passed first.

The Dems and business are willing to have no bill pass because they will benefit, one at the ballot box and the other in the cash box.

You mean like the commies reneged on border security with Reagan? We can actually learn from history here and not make the same mistakes again. Security will be first with the house all else is dead until that is accomplished.

Including the GOP.

 

[OKTexas]

Securing the border and a workable entry/exit system is needed before anything else is considered. That will be the republican focus. Once the flood gates are closed then the rest can be addressed. The senate plan is dead because it is unconstitutional, it contains revenue raising aspects in fees and fines that must originate in the house.

It is interesting to note that President Obama has deported more people to Mexico than any other president. Will you give him any praise for that? Of course not. The bottom line is Obama will push for an immigration plan. The gop, thanks to the tea party, will refuse to pass it. The Hispanics will see who is trying to help them and they will show their anger for the gop at the polls. In other words, THE GOP WILL SHOT THEMSELVES IN THE FOOT ONCE AGAIN.

What you want to pat him on the head for doing his job when he's not. He has no authority to exempt a whole class of illegals from deportation. Plus I guess you aren't aware that only 60% come in across the southern border, the rest come in on visas and never leave. We need to have an effective system to track them and ensure their departure when their visas expire.

 

[OKTexas]

What commies in the GOP reneged on the bill, OK?

Doesn't matter what is first in the House if it is dead in the Senate on arrival.

Only the Dems and business win with no bill, not the GOP. Americans faith in our GOP is at historic lows.

Jakey the dems lost all credibility on security when your dear leader refused to complete the fence that the law said, the secretary WILL build, not optional and the dem congress let him get away with it. Yes both houses were controlled by dems at that time. The republicans won't make that mistake again. I've told my congressman that criminal penalties should be incorporated in any new law for any administration official that fails to follow the law. It's way past time to hold these politicians and bureaucrats accountable, maybe the threat of jail will get their attention.

(1) The public trusts neither party since dear leader Reagan.

(2) The Pubs made the mistake when they controlled all branches of the governments by not doing so

(3) The demographics are changing so that the growing Hispanic vote is more numerous and important than that of the far right anti-immigrant vote in America.

No bill will pass if all three components are not part of it.

The public will punish our GOP severely if that does not happen.

It's plain to see you have bought the vernacular of the left, hook, line and sinker. Being against illegal immigration is NOT being anti-immigrant and if you think only the far right holds those views you are fucking nuts.