Oh **** this ethical media shit... ATTACK!

[Big Fitz]

I do believe I can laugh at every 'media matters' link from now on with much more authority.

Media Matters' war against Fox - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com

 

[WillowTree]

 

[jillian]

I do believe I can laugh at every 'media matters' link from now on with much more authority.

Media Matters' war against Fox - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com

why wouldn't media matters call fauxnews the liars they are?

silly...

 

[Big Fitz]

I do believe I can laugh at every 'media matters' link from now on with much more authority.

Media Matters' war against Fox - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com

why wouldn't media matters call fauxnews the liars they are?

silly...

You DO understand the difference between their newscasting and commentary shows, yes?

Beck, Hannity, O'Reilly, Van Sustren for example are commentary shows that have a distinct political bias.

Their news broadcasts are quite balanced. That includes their radio broadcasts.

The same way CNN and MSNBS have hard left biased commentary shows, Fox is counter that, and in the greater scheme of the media provides a small slice of balance to the non stop rhetoric from the left.

Unfortunately, the CNN/MSNBS/big three networks don't have quite a balanced news departments. I've remember the 08 election newscasts from these sources and seeing the ungodly bias for obama on those channels.

And now Media Matters is deciding to strip off the veil of partisanship and try to do 'damage' do Fox? I'm sorry, they're no longer any more reliable source for anything regarding Fox because they have stated their goal is to harm them.

 

[elvis]

who on cnn do you consider hard left?

 

[3DG4life]

I do believe I can laugh at every 'media matters' link from now on with much more authority.

Media Matters' war against Fox - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com

why wouldn't media matters call fauxnews the liars they are?

silly...

You DO understand the difference between their newscasting and commentary shows, yes?

Beck, Hannity, O'Reilly, Van Sustren for example are commentary shows that have a distinct political bias.

Their news broadcasts are quite balanced. That includes their radio broadcasts.

The same way CNN and MSNBS have hard left biased commentary shows, Fox is counter that, and in the greater scheme of the media provides a small slice of balance to the non stop rhetoric from the left.

Unfortunately, the CNN/MSNBS/big three networks don't have quite a balanced news departments. I've remember the 08 election newscasts from these sources and seeing the ungodly bias for obama on those channels.

And now Media Matters is deciding to strip off the veil of partisanship and try to do 'damage' do Fox? I'm sorry, they're no longer any more reliable source for anything regarding Fox because they have stated their goal is to harm them.

Is there a difference? Kelly, Dooshy & Co., Neil, Bret.. are all partisans as well. The only real "news" that fox carries, would be.. Maybe Shep.

 

[Big Fitz]

who on cnn do you consider hard left?

that retard they got to replace Larry King. Elliot "client #9" Spitzer to name two.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

I'm trying to understand what you're outraged about.

 

[xsited1]

I do believe I can laugh at every 'media matters' link from now on with much more authority.

Media Matters' war against Fox - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com

Media Matters? Don't they have like 90 employees? And they're Progressives, right? They're the same type of people that allowed people like Hitler and Stalin to come to power.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

I do believe I can laugh at every 'media matters' link from now on with much more authority.

Media Matters' war against Fox - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com

Media Matters? Don't they have like 90 employees? And they're Progressives, right? They're the same type of people that allowed people like Hitler and Stalin to come to power.

Godwin'd

 

[xsited1]

I do believe I can laugh at every 'media matters' link from now on with much more authority.

Media Matters' war against Fox - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com

Media Matters? Don't they have like 90 employees? And they're Progressives, right? They're the same type of people that allowed people like Hitler and Stalin to come to power.

Godwin'd

Hayek. Learn a little about history so we don't repeat the same mistakes, please.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Media Matters? Don't they have like 90 employees? And they're Progressives, right? They're the same type of people that allowed people like Hitler and Stalin to come to power.

Godwin'd

Hayek. Learn a little about history so we don't repeat the same mistakes, please.

That's ******* hilarious. The person who told me that Media Matters are the type of people who "allowed Hitler and Stalin to come to power" is telling me that I need to learn history?

Priceless.

 

[xsited1]

Godwin'd

Hayek. Learn a little about history so we don't repeat the same mistakes, please.

That's ******* hilarious. The person who told me that Media Matters are the type of people who "allowed Hitler and Stalin to come to power" is telling me that I need to learn history?

Priceless.

The problem with you is that you do not want to see the truth. What's sad is that some people think, for example, the Germans were just inherently evil and that's the reason for Nazism. WRONG! They came to power because of central planning PROGRESSIVES! Learn your history, dude. It's not that hard and you won't come across as clueless.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Hayek. Learn a little about history so we don't repeat the same mistakes, please.

That's ******* hilarious. The person who told me that Media Matters are the type of people who "allowed Hitler and Stalin to come to power" is telling me that I need to learn history?

Priceless.

The problem with you is that you do not want to see the truth. What's sad is that some people think, for example, the Germans were just inherently evil and that's the reason for Nazism. WRONG! They came to power because of central planning PROGRESSIVES! Learn your history, dude. It's not that hard and you won't come across as clueless.

Dude, I'm really not worried about coming across as clueless, since I do actually know what I'm talking about.

You see, I studied history at a real school, not the Glenn Beck College of History.

There were many factors that led to the rise of the Nazi Party in Germany.

A staggering defeat in WWI that crippled Germany economically and publicly. Germans were ashamed of the standing of their country at the time, a country that had been run into the ground by incompetant and weak leadership for the decades before. The German Workers Party took advantage of this by focusing on nationalism - basically the idea that Germans were superior humans, and the only reason everything was going badly were outside influences of weaker peoples (Jews, and Western Europe in general).

The Weimar Republic was financially broken by the Treaty of Versailles, and in general very corrupt, decadent, and ineffectual. Germany suffered from hyperinflation, open warfare between paramilitary organizations from the far right and the far left, and staggering financial problems from the Treaty, which had ordered reparations of around 153 billion marks. The NSDAP (commonly referred to as the Nazi Party) grew out of the aforementioned German Workers Party, and came into power in the early 1930s by election to the horribly corrupt Reichstag, eventually leading to Hitler's appointment as Chancellor in 1933.

That, combined with Hitler and company's staggering ability to propagandize led to the rise of the Nazi Party. The NSDAP found a way to channel one of humanity's greatest emotions - hatred and fear - into a political philosophy.

Not "progressives".

The word "progressive" doesn't even mean anything.

 

[dilloduck]

That's ******* hilarious. The person who told me that Media Matters are the type of people who "allowed Hitler and Stalin to come to power" is telling me that I need to learn history?

Priceless.

The problem with you is that you do not want to see the truth. What's sad is that some people think, for example, the Germans were just inherently evil and that's the reason for Nazism. WRONG! They came to power because of central planning PROGRESSIVES! Learn your history, dude. It's not that hard and you won't come across as clueless.

Dude, I'm really not worried about coming across as clueless, since I do actually know what I'm talking about.

You see, I studied history at a real school, not the Glenn Beck College of History.

There were many factors that led to the rise of the Nazi Party in Germany.

A staggering defeat in WWI that crippled Germany economically and publicly. Germans were ashamed of the standing of their country at the time, a country that had been run into the ground by incompetant and weak leadership for the decades before. The German Workers Party took advantage of this by focusing on nationalism - basically the idea that Germans were superior humans, and the only reason everything was going badly were outside influences of weaker peoples (Jews, and Western Europe in general).

The Weimar Republic was financially broken by the Treaty of Versailles, and in general very corrupt, decadent, and ineffectual. Germany suffered from hyperinflation, open warfare between paramilitary organizations from the far right and the far left, and staggering financial problems from the Treaty, which had ordered reparations of around 153 billion marks. The NSDAP (commonly referred to as the Nazi Party) grew out of the aforementioned German Workers Party, and came into power in the early 1930s by election to the horribly corrupt Reichstag, eventually leading to Hitler's appointment as Chancellor in 1933.

That, combined with Hitler and company's staggering ability to propagandize led to the rise of the Nazi Party. The NSDAP found a way to channel one of humanity's greatest emotions - hatred and fear - into a political philosophy.

Not "progressives".

The word "progressive" doesn't even mean anything.

You see no link between the workers party and progressives ? Unions maybe ?

 

[xsited1]

That's ******* hilarious. The person who told me that Media Matters are the type of people who "allowed Hitler and Stalin to come to power" is telling me that I need to learn history?

Priceless.

The problem with you is that you do not want to see the truth. What's sad is that some people think, for example, the Germans were just inherently evil and that's the reason for Nazism. WRONG! They came to power because of central planning PROGRESSIVES! Learn your history, dude. It's not that hard and you won't come across as clueless.

Dude, I'm really not worried about coming across as clueless, since I do actually know what I'm talking about.

You see, I studied history at a real school, not the Glenn Beck College of History.

There were many factors that led to the rise of the Nazi Party in Germany.

A staggering defeat in WWI that crippled Germany economically and publicly. Germans were ashamed of the standing of their country at the time, a country that had been run into the ground by incompetant and weak leadership for the decades before. The German Workers Party took advantage of this by focusing on nationalism - basically the idea that Germans were superior humans, and the only reason everything was going badly were outside influences of weaker peoples (Jews, and Western Europe in general).

The Weimar Republic was financially broken by the Treaty of Versailles, and in general very corrupt, decadent, and ineffectual. Germany suffered from hyperinflation, open warfare between paramilitary organizations from the far right and the far left, and staggering financial problems from the Treaty, which had ordered reparations of around 153 billion marks. The NSDAP (commonly referred to as the Nazi Party) grew out of the aforementioned German Workers Party, and came into power in the early 1930s by election to the horribly corrupt Reichstag, eventually leading to Hitler's appointment as Chancellor in 1933.

That, combined with Hitler and company's staggering ability to propagandize led to the rise of the Nazi Party. The NSDAP found a way to channel one of humanity's greatest emotions - hatred and fear - into a political philosophy.

Not "progressives".

The word "progressive" doesn't even mean anything.

You'll have to educate me on Glenn Beck since I don't watch his program. You obviously do since you know so much about him.

In any case, your history lesson is sound. What you forgot to mention (and may not be aware of) is how, say, the Nazis were allowed to come to power in the first place. Fascism and socialism have common roots in central economic planning and the power of the state over the individual. That's what progressives believe. You see, they created the environment for the truly evil to come to power (like Hitler). It doesn't happen overnight and may take a generation to desensitize and prepare the general population for a takeover, but the inevitable outcome is nothing like what the progressives had hoped for. Look around. It's happening in the US now.

May I suggest you read the works of Alexis de Tocqueville. We have history repeating itself and we are letting it happen.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

The problem with you is that you do not want to see the truth. What's sad is that some people think, for example, the Germans were just inherently evil and that's the reason for Nazism. WRONG! They came to power because of central planning PROGRESSIVES! Learn your history, dude. It's not that hard and you won't come across as clueless.

Dude, I'm really not worried about coming across as clueless, since I do actually know what I'm talking about.

You see, I studied history at a real school, not the Glenn Beck College of History.

There were many factors that led to the rise of the Nazi Party in Germany.

A staggering defeat in WWI that crippled Germany economically and publicly. Germans were ashamed of the standing of their country at the time, a country that had been run into the ground by incompetant and weak leadership for the decades before. The German Workers Party took advantage of this by focusing on nationalism - basically the idea that Germans were superior humans, and the only reason everything was going badly were outside influences of weaker peoples (Jews, and Western Europe in general).

The Weimar Republic was financially broken by the Treaty of Versailles, and in general very corrupt, decadent, and ineffectual. Germany suffered from hyperinflation, open warfare between paramilitary organizations from the far right and the far left, and staggering financial problems from the Treaty, which had ordered reparations of around 153 billion marks. The NSDAP (commonly referred to as the Nazi Party) grew out of the aforementioned German Workers Party, and came into power in the early 1930s by election to the horribly corrupt Reichstag, eventually leading to Hitler's appointment as Chancellor in 1933.

That, combined with Hitler and company's staggering ability to propagandize led to the rise of the Nazi Party. The NSDAP found a way to channel one of humanity's greatest emotions - hatred and fear - into a political philosophy.

Not "progressives".

The word "progressive" doesn't even mean anything.

You see no link between the workers party and progressives ? Unions maybe ?

Here's the NSDAP's 25 point plan - the political basis for the Nazi Party.

The Avalon Project : Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression Volume IV - Document No. 1708-PS

While there are so-called "socialist" ideas on the list (in practice, it was corporatism), the focus was much more on Nationalism and blaming others for Germany's problems.

 

[xsited1]

Dude, I'm really not worried about coming across as clueless, since I do actually know what I'm talking about.

You see, I studied history at a real school, not the Glenn Beck College of History.

There were many factors that led to the rise of the Nazi Party in Germany.

A staggering defeat in WWI that crippled Germany economically and publicly. Germans were ashamed of the standing of their country at the time, a country that had been run into the ground by incompetant and weak leadership for the decades before. The German Workers Party took advantage of this by focusing on nationalism - basically the idea that Germans were superior humans, and the only reason everything was going badly were outside influences of weaker peoples (Jews, and Western Europe in general).

The Weimar Republic was financially broken by the Treaty of Versailles, and in general very corrupt, decadent, and ineffectual. Germany suffered from hyperinflation, open warfare between paramilitary organizations from the far right and the far left, and staggering financial problems from the Treaty, which had ordered reparations of around 153 billion marks. The NSDAP (commonly referred to as the Nazi Party) grew out of the aforementioned German Workers Party, and came into power in the early 1930s by election to the horribly corrupt Reichstag, eventually leading to Hitler's appointment as Chancellor in 1933.

That, combined with Hitler and company's staggering ability to propagandize led to the rise of the Nazi Party. The NSDAP found a way to channel one of humanity's greatest emotions - hatred and fear - into a political philosophy.

Not "progressives".

The word "progressive" doesn't even mean anything.

You see no link between the workers party and progressives ? Unions maybe ?

Here's the NSDAP's 25 point plan - the political basis for the Nazi Party.

The Avalon Project : Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression Volume IV - Document No. 1708-PS

While there are so-called "socialist" ideas on the list (in practice, it was corporatism), the focus was much more on Nationalism and blaming others for Germany's problems.

Again, you're missing the "infrastructure" necessary that allowed the Nazis to achieve power. There will always be evil people in the world and if you give them the framework and the means to take power, they most certainly will.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

The problem with you is that you do not want to see the truth. What's sad is that some people think, for example, the Germans were just inherently evil and that's the reason for Nazism. WRONG! They came to power because of central planning PROGRESSIVES! Learn your history, dude. It's not that hard and you won't come across as clueless.

Dude, I'm really not worried about coming across as clueless, since I do actually know what I'm talking about.

You see, I studied history at a real school, not the Glenn Beck College of History.

There were many factors that led to the rise of the Nazi Party in Germany.

A staggering defeat in WWI that crippled Germany economically and publicly. Germans were ashamed of the standing of their country at the time, a country that had been run into the ground by incompetant and weak leadership for the decades before. The German Workers Party took advantage of this by focusing on nationalism - basically the idea that Germans were superior humans, and the only reason everything was going badly were outside influences of weaker peoples (Jews, and Western Europe in general).

The Weimar Republic was financially broken by the Treaty of Versailles, and in general very corrupt, decadent, and ineffectual. Germany suffered from hyperinflation, open warfare between paramilitary organizations from the far right and the far left, and staggering financial problems from the Treaty, which had ordered reparations of around 153 billion marks. The NSDAP (commonly referred to as the Nazi Party) grew out of the aforementioned German Workers Party, and came into power in the early 1930s by election to the horribly corrupt Reichstag, eventually leading to Hitler's appointment as Chancellor in 1933.

That, combined with Hitler and company's staggering ability to propagandize led to the rise of the Nazi Party. The NSDAP found a way to channel one of humanity's greatest emotions - hatred and fear - into a political philosophy.

Not "progressives".

The word "progressive" doesn't even mean anything.

You'll have to educate me on Glenn Beck since I don't watch his program. You obviously do since you know so much about him.

In any case, your history lesson is sound. What you forgot to mention (and may not be aware of) is how, say, the Nazis were allowed to come to power in the first place. Fascism and socialism have common roots in central economic planning and the power of the state over the individual. That's what progressives believe. You see, they created the environment for the truly evil to come to power (like Hitler). It doesn't happen overnight and may take a generation to desensitize and prepare the general population for a takeover, but the inevitable outcome is nothing like what the progressives had hoped for. Look around. It's happening in the US now.

May I suggest you read the works of Alexis de Tocqueville. We have history repeating itself and we are letting it happen.

I apologize for the Beck crack. I'll make you a deal: you stop being condescending to me about "learning history", I'll stop with the Beck cracks.

But you're completely wrong about your analysis. It did happen "overnight". The German people weren't "desensitized" to stronger government, they DEMANDED it. The Nazi Party took power based on the failures of the Weimar Republic, a small, non-statist, ineffectual government.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

You see no link between the workers party and progressives ? Unions maybe ?

Here's the NSDAP's 25 point plan - the political basis for the Nazi Party.

The Avalon Project : Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression Volume IV - Document No. 1708-PS

While there are so-called "socialist" ideas on the list (in practice, it was corporatism), the focus was much more on Nationalism and blaming others for Germany's problems.

Again, you're missing the "infrastructure" necessary that allowed the Nazis to achieve power. There will always be evil people in the world and if you give them the framework and the means to take power, they most certainly will.

What you're not understanding is that no "infrastructure" existed to allow the Nazis to take power - they created the "infrastructure". It didn't exist before the NSDAP came to power.