Obama’s Team Including Victoria Nuland, Susan Rice, Alexander Vindman Told Zelensky to Reject Trump Deal in Violation of Logan Act.

[Oddball]

Sorry, but America used to stand for and fight for freedom.

Until Trump came along and kissed the Russian ass.

Trump and Vance’s juvenile tirades were unprofessional, peppered with outright lies, errors of omission, and just plain schoolyard bullying.

Trump’s behavior defined himself as an unserious fool who should never, ever, taken at his word.

Then STFU and pack you narrow ass and alligator mouth into an airliner and go fight.

 

[struth]

The return is the hampering of Russian aggression and imperialism. Can you not read? Do you need me to explain to you what those words mean?

Well Ukraine gets the weapons it needs to fight a foreign invader and the world gets a Russia bogged down and occupied in a foreign war rather than allowing its aggression to go unchecked and Putins ambition free and unencumbered.

That doesn't mean we should let them run rough shot over Europe.

Nothing. I'm willing to raise taxes on billionaires.

1) so since the war started all Russia has done is gotten more territory and more agreesive…so we aren’t getting much of a return
2) isn’t there away to do that without the cost of billions and human lives? Why are you so willing to allow Ukrainians. To simply die?
3) agreed
4) by how much? How many billionaires are there in the United States? How will that offset our debt that could ruin our country…

 

[Curried Goats]

1) so since the war started all Russia has done is gotten more territory and more agreesive…so we aren’t getting much of a return

Again, we're getting opposition to that aggression. The alternative is no opposition to that aggression.

2) isn’t there away to do that without the cost of billions and human lives? Why are you so willing to allow Ukrainians. To simply die?

I'm not conscripting them. It's their country. They are choosing to fight. I just support arming them in that fight for as long as they have fight in them.

3) agreed
4) by how much? How many billionaires are there in the United States? How will that offset our debt that could ruin our country…

Well see you government collects money though these things called taxes and then spends that money. If we want to reduce our debt we could either kneecap government, the thing that poor and working class people depend on or raise taxes on the people with disposable incomes. Lots of disposable income among the billionaire class. The three richest people in America own more wealth than the bottom 50% of Americans, combined.

 

[struth]

Again, we're getting opposition to that aggression. The alternative is no opposition to that aggression.

I'm not conscripting them. It's their country. They are choosing to fight. I just support arming them in that fight for as long as they have fight in them.

Well see you government collects money though these things called taxes and then spends that money. If we want to reduce our debt we could either kneecap government, the thing that poor and working class people depend on or raise taxes on the people with disposable incomes. Lots of disposable income among the billionaire class. The three richest people in America own more wealth than the bottom 50% of Americans, combined.

1) Aren't there smarter ways to do that then with human lives and billions of dollars? Or are you not smart enough to think of any?
2) So how many billions and how many Ukrainians are you willing to kill?
3) yes and we collect a lot of taxes, and we spent way more, so you want to continue to spend billions in Ukraine, which doesn't help our poor, or educate our children, or help our economy...so you aren't willing to cut anything, you just want to keep spending, and your solution is to simply take more taxes from the few very successful people in the country....to fund the trillions...so you answer, is to simply continue to do nothing and staying on the track we are, but take more money from the most successful, which of course, even if you take all their wealth and make them poor, won't do anything to do debt, cause you simply want to keep spending.

 

[LeftofLeft]

The return is opposition to Russian aggression and imperialism at the cost of dollars rather than U.S. soldiers. If you ask me that sounds like a good discount.

Dollars are not going to be sufficient. We’ve been doing dollars and not going anywhere..

 

[Curried Goats]

1) Aren't there smarter ways to do that then with human lives and billions of dollars? Or are you not smart enough to think of any?

Are wishes rainbows in this fantasy world of yours where you get to magic away Russian aggression?

I'm happy to hear your idea though. What is it?

2) So how many billions and how many Ukrainians are you willing to kill?

I'm not killing Ukrainians you dipshit. Those would be the Russian invaders.

3) yes and we collect a lot of taxes, and we spent way more, so you want to continue to spend billions in Ukraine, which doesn't help our poor, or educate our children, or help our economy...so you aren't willing to cut anything, you just want to keep spending, and your solution is to simply take more taxes from the few very successful people in the country....to fund the trillions...so you answer, is to simply continue to do nothing and staying on the track we are, but take more money from the most successful, which of course, even if you take all their wealth and make them poor, won't do anything to do debt, cause you simply want to keep spending.

The few successful people in this country.... God damn you're a Simp for elites. That's your thinking, not mine you servant.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Nothing. I'm willing to raise taxes on billionaires.

Your class warfare fantasies of milking billionaires to cover redistribution, reparations, and a protracted conflict between Russia and Ukraine won’t scale. Hell, it won’t even get out of the gate.

 

[Curried Goats]

Dollars are not going to be sufficient. We’ve been doing dollars and not going anywhere..

Sufficient to what? Here are our options. We can allow Russian aggression to go completely unchecked save whatever resistance Ukraine can offer up on its own. We assist Ukraine and help frustrate Russian aggression by arming and supporting Ukraine. Or we can make it our goal to defeat Russian aggression rather than merely assisting it's opposition by committing money and American soldiers. I know which I prefer. How about you?

 

[Curried Goats]

Your class warfare fantasies of milking billionaires to cover redistribution, reparations, and a protracted conflict between Russia and Ukraine won’t scale. Hell, it won’t even get out of the gate.

I'm okay with you painting me as wanting to wage warfare against the billionaires who've been buying our politicians to cut them tax breaks while kneecapping government services to do it. I like that framing.

 

[struth]

Are wishes rainbows in this fantasy world of yours where you get to magic away Russian aggression?

I'm happy to hear your idea though. What is it?

I'm not killing Ukrainians you dipshit. Those would be the Russian invaders.

The few successful people in this country.... God damn you're a Simp for elites. That's your thinking, not mine you servant.

1) sure, a ceasefire and security measures were Russia would not want to invade Ukraine...such as United States economic ties
2) You are, when you simply want to send them billions to die, instead of working towards some sort of way to end the war and have a ceasefire.
3) Well, how many billionares are there in the United States? Just looked it up, only about 756 people are. So you expect 756 people to pay for all these things, including the killing of Ukraines

 

[j-mac]

Your class warfare fantasies of milking billionaires to cover redistribution, reparations, and a protracted conflict between Russia and Ukraine won’t scale. Hell, it won’t even get out of the gate.

The answer for these dupes for anything they want to spend, is to "tax billionaires more"....

Want to wipe out student debt? Tax the billionaires

Want to educate better? Tax the billionaires

Want better healthcare? Tax the billionaires

Want to build better infrastructure? Tax the billionaires

Want to pay for the proxy war against Russia? Tax the billionaires....

This is total crap thinking by these morons...What they never talk about is what happens to this country when the billionaires simply take their money and leave the country for a more favorable place to live where they aren't under constant attack...?

All they do is parrot whatever comes out of AOC's, or Bernies dumb assed pie hole...They are void of any deeper thought beyond bumper sticker platitudes, or personal attacks....They are children.

 

[jknowgood]

Sorry, but America used to stand for and fight for freedom.

Until Trump came along and kissed the Russian ass.

Trump and Vance’s juvenile tirades were unprofessional, peppered with outright lies, errors of omission, and just plain schoolyard bullying.

Trump’s behavior defined himself as an unserious fool who should never, ever, taken at his word.

You're supporting a dictator, dumbass. Zelinsky is no better than Putin.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Sufficient to what? Here are our options. We can allow Russian aggression to go completely unchecked save whatever resistance Ukraine can offer up on its own. We assist Ukraine and help frustrate Russian aggression by arming and supporting Ukraine. Or we can make it our goal to defeat Russian aggression rather than merely assisting it's opposition by committing money and American soldiers. I know which I prefer. How about you?

What is the problem with what Trump is proposing? What don’t you like about the minerals plan?

Throwing billions at the problem perpetually will only frustrate the Russians for so long before they overcome it.

 

[22lcidw]

Sorry, but America used to stand for and fight for freedom.

Until Trump came along and kissed the Russian ass.

Trump and Vance’s juvenile tirades were unprofessional, peppered with outright lies, errors of omission, and just plain schoolyard bullying.

Trump’s behavior defined himself as an unserious fool who should never, ever, taken at his word.

It is eerie. Progs are Communists. Knowing even actors in war and action movies they are Communists and not real patriots.

 

[daveman]

Again, we're getting opposition to that aggression. The alternative is no opposition to that aggression.

I'm not conscripting them. It's their country. They are choosing to fight. I just support arming them in that fight for as long as they have fight in them.

Well see you government collects money though these things called taxes and then spends that money. If we want to reduce our debt we could either kneecap government, the thing that poor and working class people depend on or raise taxes on the people with disposable incomes. Lots of disposable income among the billionaire class. The three richest people in America own more wealth than the bottom 50% of Americans, combined.

You leftists sure are war-mongers.

 

[j-mac]

Sufficient to what? Here are our options. We can allow Russian aggression to go completely unchecked save whatever resistance Ukraine can offer up on its own. We assist Ukraine and help frustrate Russian aggression by arming and supporting Ukraine. Or we can make it our goal to defeat Russian aggression rather than merely assisting it's opposition by committing money and American soldiers. I know which I prefer. How about you?

You forgot many other choices, which is why "either/or" thinking is a fallacy.

One other possible solution, is for Z to come to his senses, and get the mineral deal done, and get to the table to stop this war...

 

[daveman]

Randall Hathcock​

nSdotseropfat91hm40l6uagl1t26c5u2uc25imh66f02c10m0hamf3gf7h2 ·

Only those who know what to listen for will hear what REALLY happened in the meeting today between Trump, Vance, and Zelenskyy.

Donald Trump just got Volodymyr Zelenskyy, president of Ukraine, to admit that he made personal deals with Barack Obama AND with Joe Biden. Those deals are in someway, responsible for him, refusing to declare or honor a cease-fire with Russia. Those deals prevent him from seeking peace.

Zelenskyy came from an acting career and Broadway type shows. He went straight into the presidency without any type of experience in politics before being elected. That was May 20th 2019. Do you understand the problem?

Obama was president until January of 2017, leaving the White House almost 2.5 years before Zelenskyy was elected in Ukraine. So, if Zelenskyy made deals with Obama during Trump's first term, Obama would have been violating the Hatch Act - unless Trump gave Obama permission to make such deals on behalf of the United States. I'm fairly confident in saying we know Trump would never do so.

So, either Obama was illegally making deals with Ukraine while Trump was in office or, Obama was making deals with Zelenskyy while Biden was in office. No matter when Zelenskyy made those deals with Barack Obama, you must realize that Obama was NOT the president of the United States when he made those deals with Zelenskyy.

But here is the biggest problem for sure. Not one time in all of the press and in all of the media or in all of the internet, has there been a single statement or story or report that Barack Obama met with Volodymyr Zelenskyy. Not one time did the media ever document that Obama even met with Zelenskyy. Not one time did Biden state, or allude to the idea, that Obama had been asked to represent the United States in talks with Zelenskyy or with Ukraine.

Whatever meetings and agreements that Vladimir Zelenskyy of Ukraine had with Barack Obama, they appeared to have been made without government oversight. Whatever deals were made between Zelenskyy and Obama were made in total and complete secrecy and apparently were not supposed to become public knowledge.

Zelenskyy slipped today and boy did he get caught!

Zelenskyy admitted that he has made deals with Obama and that Biden has backed whatever deals Obama made with Ukraine. Not one single American citizen even knew that Obama had met with Zelensky. Not one American citizen knew that our tax dollars were paying for an agreement that Obama made without our knowledge.

The hundreds of billions of dollars that Biden sent to Ukraine, the billions upon billions of dollars that our Congress sent to Ukraine; were apparently all sent in order to satisfy whatever agreements Barack Obama made with Volodymyr Zelenskyy…behind closed doors, in complete secrecy.

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Looky there. Obama making deals when he had no authority to do so.

Democrats feel they're above the law.

Audit Ukraine. And Audit Obama.

 

[martybegan]

The return is opposition to Russian aggression and imperialism at the cost of dollars rather than U.S. soldiers. If you ask me that sounds like a good discount.

Nothing in there about how Ukraine actually wins this thing short of Europe or the US sending 3-4 corps of troops and 50 squadrons or so of aircraft.

Plus a naval and land blockade of Russia.

 

[j-mac]

Randall Hathcock​

nSdotseropfat91hm40l6uagl1t26c5u2uc25imh66f02c10m0hamf3gf7h2 ·

Only those who know what to listen for will hear what REALLY happened in the meeting today between Trump, Vance, and Zelenskyy.

Donald Trump just got Volodymyr Zelenskyy, president of Ukraine, to admit that he made personal deals with Barack Obama AND with Joe Biden. Those deals are in someway, responsible for him, refusing to declare or honor a cease-fire with Russia. Those deals prevent him from seeking peace.

Zelenskyy came from an acting career and Broadway type shows. He went straight into the presidency without any type of experience in politics before being elected. That was May 20th 2019. Do you understand the problem?

Obama was president until January of 2017, leaving the White House almost 2.5 years before Zelenskyy was elected in Ukraine. So, if Zelenskyy made deals with Obama during Trump's first term, Obama would have been violating the Hatch Act - unless Trump gave Obama permission to make such deals on behalf of the United States. I'm fairly confident in saying we know Trump would never do so.

So, either Obama was illegally making deals with Ukraine while Trump was in office or, Obama was making deals with Zelenskyy while Biden was in office. No matter when Zelenskyy made those deals with Barack Obama, you must realize that Obama was NOT the president of the United States when he made those deals with Zelenskyy.

But here is the biggest problem for sure. Not one time in all of the press and in all of the media or in all of the internet, has there been a single statement or story or report that Barack Obama met with Volodymyr Zelenskyy. Not one time did the media ever document that Obama even met with Zelenskyy. Not one time did Biden state, or allude to the idea, that Obama had been asked to represent the United States in talks with Zelenskyy or with Ukraine.

Whatever meetings and agreements that Vladimir Zelenskyy of Ukraine had with Barack Obama, they appeared to have been made without government oversight. Whatever deals were made between Zelenskyy and Obama were made in total and complete secrecy and apparently were not supposed to become public knowledge.

Zelenskyy slipped today and boy did he get caught!

Zelenskyy admitted that he has made deals with Obama and that Biden has backed whatever deals Obama made with Ukraine. Not one single American citizen even knew that Obama had met with Zelensky. Not one American citizen knew that our tax dollars were paying for an agreement that Obama made without our knowledge.

The hundreds of billions of dollars that Biden sent to Ukraine, the billions upon billions of dollars that our Congress sent to Ukraine; were apparently all sent in order to satisfy whatever agreements Barack Obama made with Volodymyr Zelenskyy…behind closed doors, in complete secrecy.

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Looky there. Obama making deals when he had no authority to do so.

Democrats feel they're above the law.

Audit Ukraine. And Audit Obama.

Someone get Bondi on it....

 

[scruffy]

Obama's team CREATED the Ukraine crisis.

They need to shut up and back off.