Obama to Normalize Relations with Cuba

[Care4all]

Boss and Timothy Alaska and Uncensored 2008 show their ODD syndrome in action.

Knee Jerk reactions all.

Investment and tourism will rapidly improve a situation that 60 years of stupidity have not.

Yeah
Nothing like rewarding a dictator and making him and his brother rich.

We made China, the largest human rights offender and largest communist country in the world, very rich..... what is the difference?

China actually has exports.

''China actually has exports''

Not without the outside world's businesses and entrepreneurs, to the extent that they do export... their factories were built by us...we had to be there to guide them, to teach them to make factories capable to make what we needed them to make for us, and we still do. And any USA business that manufactures over there has an office filled with American engineers overseeing everything...or it would not be done right.

Cuba, has an export, that certain American Corporations don't want in the market place, and that's sugar....10 to 1, our sugar industry does not want the competition of a free market place.

 

[peach174]

Cuba will sell its products to the US. American products will be seized as contraband and the people bringing those products in will be arrested as Alan Gross was arrested.

Such an imagination!
Have you found Raul Castro's statement about no trade treaty yet? If you can't provide a link, you probably shouldn't be presenting this as a fact.

What part of Castro saying Cuba will continue to remain a communist country are you not getting?
That means if any trade happens with the USA, the government will control and distribute. That is not free trade.
The government of Cuba has made cell phones for the people of Cuba illegal and the press and the internet is controlled by the government.
China and the USA has been doing trade and business with each other for about 42 years and China is still a Communist country.
Both countries are Communists and will remain communists, trade or no trade, so the Dems who think that will change in Cuba is not dealing with reality.

 

[kiwiman127]

Cuba will sell its products to the US. American products will be seized as contraband and the people bringing those products in will be arrested as Alan Gross was arrested.

Such an imagination!
Have you found Raul Castro's statement about no trade treaty yet? If you can't provide a link, you probably shouldn't be presenting this as a fact.

What part of Castro saying Cuba will continue to remain a communist country are you not getting?
That means if any trade happens with the USA, the government will control and distribute. That is not free trade.
The government of Cuba has made cell phones for the people of Cuba illegal and the press and the internet is controlled by the government.
China and the USA has been doing trade and business with each other for about 42 years and China is still a Communist country.
Both countries are Communists and will remain communists, trade or no trade, so the Dems who think that will change in Cuba is not dealing with reality.

I don't believe anyone included free trade into the equation. I do however suggest you read; How China Became Capitalist
How China Became Capitalist Cato Institute

Please note in the article; "The Party has distanced itself from radical ideology; it is no longer communist except in name. In recent years, the internet has increasingly empowered the Chinese to exercise their political voice. Nonetheless, China remains ruled by a single political party".

Is the conservative Cato Institute also not dealing with reality?
Can you name a communist country who hasn't loosened up the state's restrictions on it's society after adopting capitalism? Capitalism has a very impressive track record for bringing much more freedom to once suppressed societies around the world. Maybe you should read Milton Friedman's "Capitalism and Freedom".

Also, cell phones are no longer illegal in Cuba since 2008, There are one million cell phone in Cuba. They are expensive because of the lack of infrastructure, which off course would improve greatly if the embargo was lifted.

 

[Care4all]

Raul Castro said he is retiring in 2018, wonder whom 'they' (the Castros) have picked to replace him?

And I wonder who we have picked to replace him?

 

[Katzndogz]

Raul Castro said he is retiring in 2018, wonder whom 'they' (the Castros) have picked to replace him?

And I wonder who we have picked to replace him?

From the movement into policy enforcing, the heir apparent is Mariela Castro, Raul's daughter. She is worse that both her father and uncle. She is far more duplicitious. She has a degree is psychology and has certainly used her education to manipulate policy.

The point of normalizing relations with Cuba was to start laying the ground work for normalizing relationships with Iran. If obungle can eliminate sanctions on Iran, they will be able to make their weapons much faster and perhaps even better with American assistance.

Iran hails US-Cuba thaw as proof sanctions don t work - Yahoo News

 

[peach174]

Cuba will sell its products to the US. American products will be seized as contraband and the people bringing those products in will be arrested as Alan Gross was arrested.

Such an imagination!
Have you found Raul Castro's statement about no trade treaty yet? If you can't provide a link, you probably shouldn't be presenting this as a fact.

What part of Castro saying Cuba will continue to remain a communist country are you not getting?
That means if any trade happens with the USA, the government will control and distribute. That is not free trade.
The government of Cuba has made cell phones for the people of Cuba illegal and the press and the internet is controlled by the government.
China and the USA has been doing trade and business with each other for about 42 years and China is still a Communist country.
Both countries are Communists and will remain communists, trade or no trade, so the Dems who think that will change in Cuba is not dealing with reality.

I don't believe anyone included free trade into the equation. I do however suggest you read; How China Became Capitalist
How China Became Capitalist Cato Institute

Please note in the article; "The Party has distanced itself from radical ideology; it is no longer communist except in name. In recent years, the internet has increasingly empowered the Chinese to exercise their political voice. Nonetheless, China remains ruled by a single political party".

Is the conservative Cato Institute also not dealing with reality?
Can you name a country who hasn't loosened up the state's restrictions on it's society? Capitalism has a very impressive track record for bringing much more freedom to once suppressed societies around the world. Maybe you should read Milton Friedman's "Capitalism and Freedom".

Also, cell phones are no longer illegal in Cuba since 2008, There are one million cell phone in Cuba. They are expensive because of the lack of infrastructure, which off course would improve greatly if the embargo was lifted.

The cell phones are still controlled by the government.
US secretly created Cuban Twitter to stir unrest

USAID says the program ended when the money ran out.
In response, Josefina Vidal, director of U.S. affairs at Cuba's Foreign Ministry, said late Thursday that the ZunZuneo program "shows once again that the United States government has not renounced its plans of subversion against Cuba, which have as their aim the creation of situations of destabilization in our country to create changes in the public order and toward which it continues to devote multimillion-dollar budgets each year."
"The government of the United States must respect international law and the goals and principles of the United Nations charter and, therefore, cease its illegal and clandestine actions against Cuba, which are rejected by the Cuban people and international public opinion," the statement said.
The former web domain is now a placeholder, for sale for $299. The registration for MovilChat, the Cayman Islands front company, was set to expire on March 31.
In Cuba, nothing has come close to replacing it. Internet service still is restricted.

 

[hipeter924]

Democrats are not my brothers. It's doubtful they are even human. What does the Bible say about demons?

Don't ever claim to be a Christian.

Don't ever claim democrats are Christian. They are the ones saying Hail Satan.

So Democrats can't be Christian? How about tell my two cousins who are missionaries in Africa that they aren't Christians? Well, I better tell my Minister that he isn't a Christian too.
I love how you paint an entire group based on the actions of a few. You are really making an ass of yourself, you know.

Broad generalizations are big on this forum. Some posters view themselves as Christian Crusaders fighting off Communist hordes.

 

[kiwiman127]

Cuba will sell its products to the US. American products will be seized as contraband and the people bringing those products in will be arrested as Alan Gross was arrested.

Such an imagination!
Have you found Raul Castro's statement about no trade treaty yet? If you can't provide a link, you probably shouldn't be presenting this as a fact.

What part of Castro saying Cuba will continue to remain a communist country are you not getting?
That means if any trade happens with the USA, the government will control and distribute. That is not free trade.
The government of Cuba has made cell phones for the people of Cuba illegal and the press and the internet is controlled by the government.
China and the USA has been doing trade and business with each other for about 42 years and China is still a Communist country.
Both countries are Communists and will remain communists, trade or no trade, so the Dems who think that will change in Cuba is not dealing with reality.

I don't believe anyone included free trade into the equation. I do however suggest you read; How China Became Capitalist
How China Became Capitalist Cato Institute

Please note in the article; "The Party has distanced itself from radical ideology; it is no longer communist except in name. In recent years, the internet has increasingly empowered the Chinese to exercise their political voice. Nonetheless, China remains ruled by a single political party".

Is the conservative Cato Institute also not dealing with reality?
Can you name a country who hasn't loosened up the state's restrictions on it's society? Capitalism has a very impressive track record for bringing much more freedom to once suppressed societies around the world. Maybe you should read Milton Friedman's "Capitalism and Freedom".

Also, cell phones are no longer illegal in Cuba since 2008, There are one million cell phone in Cuba. They are expensive because of the lack of infrastructure, which off course would improve greatly if the embargo was lifted.

The cell phones are still controlled by the government.
US secretly created Cuban Twitter to stir unrest

USAID says the program ended when the money ran out.
In response, Josefina Vidal, director of U.S. affairs at Cuba's Foreign Ministry, said late Thursday that the ZunZuneo program "shows once again that the United States government has not renounced its plans of subversion against Cuba, which have as their aim the creation of situations of destabilization in our country to create changes in the public order and toward which it continues to devote multimillion-dollar budgets each year."
"The government of the United States must respect international law and the goals and principles of the United Nations charter and, therefore, cease its illegal and clandestine actions against Cuba, which are rejected by the Cuban people and international public opinion," the statement said.
The former web domain is now a placeholder, for sale for $299. The registration for MovilChat, the Cayman Islands front company, was set to expire on March 31.
In Cuba, nothing has come close to replacing it. Internet service still is restricted.

But they are no longer outlawed. Aren't our cell phones also governed by the government to a point?
Secondly, why didn't you get into how capitalism has created more freedom in countries that adopted capitalism?

 

[Katzndogz]

Cuba will sell its products to the US. American products will be seized as contraband and the people bringing those products in will be arrested as Alan Gross was arrested.

Such an imagination!
Have you found Raul Castro's statement about no trade treaty yet? If you can't provide a link, you probably shouldn't be presenting this as a fact.

What part of Castro saying Cuba will continue to remain a communist country are you not getting?
That means if any trade happens with the USA, the government will control and distribute. That is not free trade.
The government of Cuba has made cell phones for the people of Cuba illegal and the press and the internet is controlled by the government.
China and the USA has been doing trade and business with each other for about 42 years and China is still a Communist country.
Both countries are Communists and will remain communists, trade or no trade, so the Dems who think that will change in Cuba is not dealing with reality.

What part of Mariel Castro's statement that Cuba will never permit capitalism are they not getting. What part of "America is dreaming" are they not getting.

 

[chikenwing]

Things have to change but this does not mean that Cuba has changed. Cuba is the same Castro infected island it has always been. obumble imagines that he's going to send the SEIU over there to unionize.

Cuba still has closer ties to Moscow than Washington. This is one of those events that is going to go very badly.

Gee I wonder why they have a closer tie to Moscow? Could it be because of a 50 year embargo and no diplomatic ties?

Not to mention the tyrannical gov,but hey details like that just seem to bee misses by so many,whats a few civil rights,and summery executions.

 

[kiwiman127]

Cuba will sell its products to the US. American products will be seized as contraband and the people bringing those products in will be arrested as Alan Gross was arrested.

Such an imagination!
Have you found Raul Castro's statement about no trade treaty yet? If you can't provide a link, you probably shouldn't be presenting this as a fact.

What part of Castro saying Cuba will continue to remain a communist country are you not getting?
That means if any trade happens with the USA, the government will control and distribute. That is not free trade.
The government of Cuba has made cell phones for the people of Cuba illegal and the press and the internet is controlled by the government.
China and the USA has been doing trade and business with each other for about 42 years and China is still a Communist country.
Both countries are Communists and will remain communists, trade or no trade, so the Dems who think that will change in Cuba is not dealing with reality.

What part of Mariel Castro's statement that Cuba will never permit capitalism are they not getting. What part of "America is dreaming" are they not getting.

You guys who continue with these talking points just make concentrated efforts to avoid looking at factual history.
Name one communist country that didn't adopted open trade that didn't eventually adopt capitalism which led to more freedom for that country's society.
What are the chances, the communist countries that opened trade, then adopted capitalism said basically the same thing Mariel Castro said? I would bet they all uttered something similar.
At this point, when communism met capitalism, capitalism has walked away undefeated.
But you just keep on repeating talking points and keep on ignoring factual history.

And,,Mariela Castro Espín (born July 27, 1962) is the director of the Cuban National Center for Sex Education in Havana and an activist for LGBT rights in Cuba.

 

[peach174]

Cuba will sell its products to the US. American products will be seized as contraband and the people bringing those products in will be arrested as Alan Gross was arrested.

Such an imagination!
Have you found Raul Castro's statement about no trade treaty yet? If you can't provide a link, you probably shouldn't be presenting this as a fact.

What part of Castro saying Cuba will continue to remain a communist country are you not getting?
That means if any trade happens with the USA, the government will control and distribute. That is not free trade.
The government of Cuba has made cell phones for the people of Cuba illegal and the press and the internet is controlled by the government.
China and the USA has been doing trade and business with each other for about 42 years and China is still a Communist country.
Both countries are Communists and will remain communists, trade or no trade, so the Dems who think that will change in Cuba is not dealing with reality.

What part of Mariel Castro's statement that Cuba will never permit capitalism are they not getting. What part of "America is dreaming" are they not getting.

You guys who continue with these talking points just make concentrated efforts to avoid looking at factual history.
Name one communist country that didn't adopted open trade that didn't eventually adopt capitalism which led to more freedom for that country's society.
What are the chances, the communist countries that opened trade, then adopted capitalism said basically the same thing Mariel Castro said? I would bet they all uttered something similar.
At this point, when communism met capitalism, capitalism has walked away undefeated.
But you just keep on repeating talking points and keep on ignoring factual history.

And,,Mariela Castro Espín (born July 27, 1962) is the director of the Cuban National Center for Sex Education in Havana and an activist for LGBT rights in Cuba.

None of them have freedom of the press or freedom of speech or freedom to redress their grievances.

 

[kiwiman127]

Raul Castro said he is retiring in 2018, wonder whom 'they' (the Castros) have picked to replace him?

And I wonder who we have picked to replace him?

From the movement into policy enforcing, the heir apparent is Mariela Castro, Raul's daughter. She is worse that both her father and uncle. She is far more duplicitious. She has a degree is psychology and has certainly used her education to manipulate policy.

The point of normalizing relations with Cuba was to start laying the ground work for normalizing relationships with Iran. If obungle can eliminate sanctions on Iran, they will be able to make their weapons much faster and perhaps even better with American assistance.

Iran hails US-Cuba thaw as proof sanctions don t work - Yahoo News

Wrong.
Havana — Raul Castro announced Sunday that he will step down as Cuba's president in 2018 following a final five-year term, for the first time putting a date on the end of the Castro era. He tapped rising star Miguel Diaz-Canel as his top lieutenant and first in the line of succession.
Raul Castro to step down Who will run Cuba next - CSMonitor.com

 

[kiwiman127]

Cuba will sell its products to the US. American products will be seized as contraband and the people bringing those products in will be arrested as Alan Gross was arrested.

Such an imagination!
Have you found Raul Castro's statement about no trade treaty yet? If you can't provide a link, you probably shouldn't be presenting this as a fact.

What part of Castro saying Cuba will continue to remain a communist country are you not getting?
That means if any trade happens with the USA, the government will control and distribute. That is not free trade.
The government of Cuba has made cell phones for the people of Cuba illegal and the press and the internet is controlled by the government.
China and the USA has been doing trade and business with each other for about 42 years and China is still a Communist country.
Both countries are Communists and will remain communists, trade or no trade, so the Dems who think that will change in Cuba is not dealing with reality.

What part of Mariel Castro's statement that Cuba will never permit capitalism are they not getting. What part of "America is dreaming" are they not getting.

You guys who continue with these talking points just make concentrated efforts to avoid looking at factual history.
Name one communist country that didn't adopted open trade that didn't eventually adopt capitalism which led to more freedom for that country's society.
What are the chances, the communist countries that opened trade, then adopted capitalism said basically the same thing Mariel Castro said? I would bet they all uttered something similar.
At this point, when communism met capitalism, capitalism has walked away undefeated.
But you just keep on repeating talking points and keep on ignoring factual history.

And,,Mariela Castro Espín (born July 27, 1962) is the director of the Cuban National Center for Sex Education in Havana and an activist for LGBT rights in Cuba.

None of them have freedom of the press or freedom of speech or freedom to redress their grievances.

You didn't read the Cato Institute article I linked, did you?
Here it is again, try reading the entire article, it doesn't take long.
How China Became Capitalist Cato Institute

 

[kiwiman127]

I have to get going, I have a little more things to do for Christmas.
I have provided more than enough ample fact accompanied with links from non-biased resources (except when I used conservative resources) to back my case.
If some people can't accept the reality of the real world, well that's really their problem.
Talking points that aren't based entirely with facts are just talking points.

 

[Care4all]

Cuba will sell its products to the US. American products will be seized as contraband and the people bringing those products in will be arrested as Alan Gross was arrested.

Such an imagination!
Have you found Raul Castro's statement about no trade treaty yet? If you can't provide a link, you probably shouldn't be presenting this as a fact.

What part of Castro saying Cuba will continue to remain a communist country are you not getting?
That means if any trade happens with the USA, the government will control and distribute. That is not free trade.
The government of Cuba has made cell phones for the people of Cuba illegal and the press and the internet is controlled by the government.
China and the USA has been doing trade and business with each other for about 42 years and China is still a Communist country.
Both countries are Communists and will remain communists, trade or no trade, so the Dems who think that will change in Cuba is not dealing with reality.

What part of Mariel Castro's statement that Cuba will never permit capitalism are they not getting. What part of "America is dreaming" are they not getting.

You guys who continue with these talking points just make concentrated efforts to avoid looking at factual history.
Name one communist country that didn't adopted open trade that didn't eventually adopt capitalism which led to more freedom for that country's society.
What are the chances, the communist countries that opened trade, then adopted capitalism said basically the same thing Mariel Castro said? I would bet they all uttered something similar.
At this point, when communism met capitalism, capitalism has walked away undefeated.
But you just keep on repeating talking points and keep on ignoring factual history.

And,,Mariela Castro Espín (born July 27, 1962) is the director of the Cuban National Center for Sex Education in Havana and an activist for LGBT rights in Cuba.

None of them have freedom of the press or freedom of speech or freedom to redress their grievances.

It's so true, that the people in these communist countries do not have true 'freedom' yet, but hard to argue that they are not, for the most part, better off today than yesteryear....and a little closer to this freedom, than before...but still as you mention, a long way to go too.

 

[Katzndogz]

Such an imagination!
Have you found Raul Castro's statement about no trade treaty yet? If you can't provide a link, you probably shouldn't be presenting this as a fact.

What part of Castro saying Cuba will continue to remain a communist country are you not getting?
That means if any trade happens with the USA, the government will control and distribute. That is not free trade.
The government of Cuba has made cell phones for the people of Cuba illegal and the press and the internet is controlled by the government.
China and the USA has been doing trade and business with each other for about 42 years and China is still a Communist country.
Both countries are Communists and will remain communists, trade or no trade, so the Dems who think that will change in Cuba is not dealing with reality.

What part of Mariel Castro's statement that Cuba will never permit capitalism are they not getting. What part of "America is dreaming" are they not getting.

You guys who continue with these talking points just make concentrated efforts to avoid looking at factual history.
Name one communist country that didn't adopted open trade that didn't eventually adopt capitalism which led to more freedom for that country's society.
What are the chances, the communist countries that opened trade, then adopted capitalism said basically the same thing Mariel Castro said? I would bet they all uttered something similar.
At this point, when communism met capitalism, capitalism has walked away undefeated.
But you just keep on repeating talking points and keep on ignoring factual history.

And,,Mariela Castro Espín (born July 27, 1962) is the director of the Cuban National Center for Sex Education in Havana and an activist for LGBT rights in Cuba.

None of them have freedom of the press or freedom of speech or freedom to redress their grievances.

It's so true, that the people in these communist countries do not have true 'freedom' yet, but hard to argue that they are not, for the most part, better off today than yesteryear....and a little closer to this freedom, than before...but still as you mention, a long way to go too.

On what do you base your opinion that Cubans are better off today than yesteryear?

Cuba will not adopt capitalism, not for many years.

 

[Care4all]

What part of Castro saying Cuba will continue to remain a communist country are you not getting?
That means if any trade happens with the USA, the government will control and distribute. That is not free trade.
The government of Cuba has made cell phones for the people of Cuba illegal and the press and the internet is controlled by the government.
China and the USA has been doing trade and business with each other for about 42 years and China is still a Communist country.
Both countries are Communists and will remain communists, trade or no trade, so the Dems who think that will change in Cuba is not dealing with reality.

What part of Mariel Castro's statement that Cuba will never permit capitalism are they not getting. What part of "America is dreaming" are they not getting.

You guys who continue with these talking points just make concentrated efforts to avoid looking at factual history.
Name one communist country that didn't adopted open trade that didn't eventually adopt capitalism which led to more freedom for that country's society.
What are the chances, the communist countries that opened trade, then adopted capitalism said basically the same thing Mariel Castro said? I would bet they all uttered something similar.
At this point, when communism met capitalism, capitalism has walked away undefeated.
But you just keep on repeating talking points and keep on ignoring factual history.

And,,Mariela Castro Espín (born July 27, 1962) is the director of the Cuban National Center for Sex Education in Havana and an activist for LGBT rights in Cuba.

None of them have freedom of the press or freedom of speech or freedom to redress their grievances.

It's so true, that the people in these communist countries do not have true 'freedom' yet, but hard to argue that they are not, for the most part, better off today than yesteryear....and a little closer to this freedom, than before...but still as you mention, a long way to go too.

On what do you base your opinion that Cubans are better off today than yesteryear?

Cuba will not adopt capitalism, not for many years.

I was not talking about Cubans, I was talking about (as example) Communist countries such as China and the Chinese, with being opened to manufacturing and selling goods to Americans, USA, buyers, and USA Buyers being able to buy from, China.

Although it is not good and has not been good for the American worker, the average Chinese worker is getting a taste of capitalism, even if only as a view, and life is improving for them, though it is a slower process than I had thought it would be.

 

[Katzndogz]

Raul Castro said he is retiring in 2018, wonder whom 'they' (the Castros) have picked to replace him?

And I wonder who we have picked to replace him?

From the movement into policy enforcing, the heir apparent is Mariela Castro, Raul's daughter. She is worse that both her father and uncle. She is far more duplicitious. She has a degree is psychology and has certainly used her education to manipulate policy.

The point of normalizing relations with Cuba was to start laying the ground work for normalizing relationships with Iran. If obungle can eliminate sanctions on Iran, they will be able to make their weapons much faster and perhaps even better with American assistance.

Iran hails US-Cuba thaw as proof sanctions don t work - Yahoo News

Wrong.
Havana — Raul Castro announced Sunday that he will step down as Cuba's president in 2018 following a final five-year term, for the first time putting a date on the end of the Castro era. He tapped rising star Miguel Diaz-Canel as his top lieutenant and first in the line of succession.
Raul Castro to step down Who will run Cuba next - CSMonitor.com

What is the point of Diaz-Canel wanting to reduce imports?

 

[kiwiman127]

What part of Castro saying Cuba will continue to remain a communist country are you not getting?
That means if any trade happens with the USA, the government will control and distribute. That is not free trade.
The government of Cuba has made cell phones for the people of Cuba illegal and the press and the internet is controlled by the government.
China and the USA has been doing trade and business with each other for about 42 years and China is still a Communist country.
Both countries are Communists and will remain communists, trade or no trade, so the Dems who think that will change in Cuba is not dealing with reality.

What part of Mariel Castro's statement that Cuba will never permit capitalism are they not getting. What part of "America is dreaming" are they not getting.

You guys who continue with these talking points just make concentrated efforts to avoid looking at factual history.
Name one communist country that didn't adopted open trade that didn't eventually adopt capitalism which led to more freedom for that country's society.
What are the chances, the communist countries that opened trade, then adopted capitalism said basically the same thing Mariel Castro said? I would bet they all uttered something similar.
At this point, when communism met capitalism, capitalism has walked away undefeated.
But you just keep on repeating talking points and keep on ignoring factual history.

And,,Mariela Castro Espín (born July 27, 1962) is the director of the Cuban National Center for Sex Education in Havana and an activist for LGBT rights in Cuba.

None of them have freedom of the press or freedom of speech or freedom to redress their grievances.

It's so true, that the people in these communist countries do not have true 'freedom' yet, but hard to argue that they are not, for the most part, better off today than yesteryear....and a little closer to this freedom, than before...but still as you mention, a long way to go too.

On what do you base your opinion that Cubans are better off today than yesteryear?

Cuba will not adopt capitalism, not for many years.

Actually the Cuban people are better off today, in a sense.
They now have Catholic Churches to go to (and are in the process of building a new church) and the are now allowed to have cell phones, which up till 2008 was illegal. But they do have a long, long ways to go.
Regarding capitalism, normalizing relations with Cuba and lifting the embargo will start the process. America's major companies are betting on capitalism in Cuba, that's why there is so much pressure from the business community to lift the embargo. These companies and organizations are major players complete with their own economists.
So far, you doubters have been listing a lot of misinformation on Cuba and the actual factual history of capitalism's effect on other communist countries, so it's hard to bank on your misinformed opinions.
It'll take awhile but it'll happen. Of course the biggest hurdle will be the GOP House and Senate, who's interest is a very small group of older Cuban Americans. This group is the minority, but they have been big donors to the GOP.
So despite, a large majority of Cuban Americans and just plain Americans supporting normalizing relations with Cuba, the GOP will probably erect a wall. But then, the GOP's bigger donors in the business world are for normalized relations and removing the embargo. This will be a very interesting scenario to watch.