Obama-McCain Debate: Round 12 (Debate 3)

[DiveCon]

Actually, it was bi-partisan. And then the repub congress wouldn't vote the money for it. You do remember you all held the purse strings then, right?

Besides, I always knew No child left behind sucked... but that's because I have a son who's school was affected by it.

i knew it would suck before it passed

 

[Modbert]

Debate moment of the night!

McCain: ZERO!?!?!

Well he learned something new tonight, hence the shock.

 

[Modbert]

i knew it would suck before it passed

Same here.

Nobody in my school thinks NCLB is a good idea, teachers included.

Only ones who do are the administrators who keep repeating the mantra "It's the law, you must follow it." Very 1984ish to say the least.

 

[CrimsonWhite]

Why am I surprised? McCain is talking about being in the Military.

Huge shock

Why not? It is part of his resume. Go enlist and you will figure out why he is so proud of his service.

 

[jillian]

i knew it would suck before it passed

a subject we agree on...who'd a thunk it.

But I'm funny about education. I don't believe in making great schools mediocre as opposed to making bad schools good. And I always thought that's what that law would do. Too much like Rainbow Fish... I hate that story.

 

[CornbreadOracle]

LOL

Obama won't support vouchers because the teachers union lobby has given him big bucks not to

You got that right!

 

[del]

"Dude" Your so much of a right winger, you'd make a good replacement for Sean Hannity on his show if he ever got sick.

snappy. think of it yourself?

 

[CornbreadOracle]

Who knows what he thinks.

I don't how he expects to help solve such things if he does across the board freezing.

Robert, I told you I'd get back to you on something....what was it? Things were moving pretty fast and I got side tracked by Jillians little abortion debacle......Care to refresh me? I hate to go back on my word.

 

[Modbert]

Why not? It is part of his resume. Go enlist and you will figure out why he is so proud of his service.

Never said he can't be proud of his service. But it'd be nice to hear about his other accomplishments other then the military which he never ceases to bring up or never ceases to be brought up by others around him.

 

[jillian]

LOL

Obama won't support vouchers because the teachers union lobby has given him big bucks not to

No. Obama won't support vouchers because they suck money from public schools and siphon funds into parochial schools.... same reason most of us who oppose vouchers do.

 

[Modbert]

Robert, I told you I'd get back to you on something....what was it? Things were moving pretty fast and I got side tracked by Jillians little abortion debacle......Care to refresh me? I hate to go back on my word.

I believe it was Ayers? Could be wrong on the topic.

It was the comments that McCain brought up about what Ayers said in 01, and Obama served on the board with Ayers over ten years ago.

So I said the comments in 01 don't apply to Obama.

Republicans really seem to focus on the "Guilt by Association" thing.

 

[DiveCon]

Same here.

Nobody in my school thinks NCLB is a good idea, teachers included.

Only ones who do are the administrators who keep repeating the mantra "It's the law, you must follow it." Very 1984ish to say the least.

and it was Ted Kennedy's baby

 

[Modbert]

snappy. think of it yourself?

Nope, hired a joke writer..yeah I did think of it myself.

Ready for the comeback tomorrow night Del?

 

[Ravi]

Did I also here McCain say that "we" would take care of unwanted children? As in outlaw abortion, force women to give birth and the state will pay for their upkeep.

 

[jillian]

and it was Ted Kennedy's baby

Why doi you keep repeating that when it was bi-partisan and you know it?

 

[CornbreadOracle]

I believe it was Ayers? Could be wrong on the topic.

It was the comments that McCain brought up about what Ayers said in 01, and Obama served on the board with Ayers over ten years ago.

So I said the comments in 01 don't apply to Obama.

Republicans really seem to focus on the "Guilt by Association" thing.

So the Ayers thing....

It matters because no matter how old Obama was when Ayers committed his acts of terrorism, the point is that Obama had to know who Ayers was and what Ayers did by the time he grew up *and befriended him*. Also, and this is no small part, Ayers is unrepentant of what he did. He remains unrepentant to this day. Don't think that doesn't matter.

In other words, McCain happens to be painted with the same broad political brush as David Duke. But you wouldn't catch McCain hanging out with that extremist nutball. Why does Obama get a pass on Ayers?

Heck yes, if the guy applying for the job of Commander in Chief has friends and associates who avidly and openly hate America, I have a HUGE problem with that.

And no, I wouldn't vote for McCain if he had ties to David Duke.

 

[Modbert]

Did I also here McCain say that "we" would take care of unwanted children? As in outlaw abortion, force women to give birth and the state will pay for their upkeep.

More money coming out of the sky by McCain.

You can't propose freezing of funds and then turn around and propose all this stuff.

I wonder if the American people will see past the BS and zingers and see McCain's plan here for what it is really is.

Are you going to freeze funds Senator or put in all these plans?

 

[jillian]

So the Ayers thing....

It matters because no matter how old Obama was when Ayers committed his acts of terrorism, the point is that Obama had to know who Ayers was and what Ayers did by the time he grew up *and befriended him*. Also, and this is no small part, Ayers is unrepentant of what he did. He remains unrepentant to this day. Don't think that doesn't matter.

In other words, McCain happens to be painted with the same broad political brush as David Duke. But you wouldn't catch McCain hanging out with that extremist nutball. Why does Obama get a pass on Ayers?

Heck yes, if the guy applying for the job of Commander in Chief has friends and associates who avidly and openly hate America, I have a HUGE problem with that.

And no, I wouldn't vote for McCain if he had ties to David Duke.

So you wouldn't vote for Ronald Reagan for having "associations" with Ayers either? As for the "abortion debacle" someone had to point it out to you.

 

[DiveCon]

Why doi you keep repeating that when it was bi-partisan and you know it?

because he wrote it

 

[Modbert]

So the Ayers thing....

It matters because no matter how old Obama was when Ayers committed his acts of terrorism, the point is that Obama had to know who Ayers was and what Ayers did by the time he grew up *and befriended him*. Also, and this is no small part, Ayers is unrepentant of what he did. He remains unrepentant to this day. Don't think that doesn't matter.

In other words, McCain happens to be painted with the same broad political brush as David Duke. But you wouldn't catch McCain hanging out with that extremist nutball. Why does Obama get a pass on Ayers?

Heck yes, if the guy applying for the job of Commander in Chief has friends and associates who avidly and openly hate America, I have a HUGE problem with that.

And no, I wouldn't vote for McCain if he had ties to David Duke.

Question, why assume that Obama would know what Ayers did?

I believe he did know but why assume? How many Republicans who can't get Ayers name out of their mouth knew about him before this?

I doubt one person did.

Ayers isn't forgiving what he did, Obama has condemned the acts that Ayers has committed.

McCain has hung out with "extremist nutballs" for the record and Obama is not a close friend of Ayers. I like what the independent voter said on MSNBC "McCain is beating a dead horse" on the topic of Ayers.

Comparing David Duke and Bill Ayers though? What's next? Mussolini/Stalin and Ayers?