NY / NJ lose hundreds of billions in resident income as Americans flee to low-tax states

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Who would have ever seen this come'n ? Not Mack The Finger !

Remember when you see the light at the end of the tunnel...it might be a train...come at you.

Unleash Prosperity released a report on Tuesday that found New York lost $517.5 billion in resident incomes from 2013 to 2022, while New Jersey lost $170.1 billion in that period, according to data from the Census Bureau and IRS.

The report covers cumulative gains and losses in each state's resident income, as a mover takes their income to another state for subsequent years – not just the first year after their move. The report was first covered by the NY Post.

New York's losses were the largest of any state, while New Jersey's losses ranked as the fourth-most among the states. The other states that lost the most in resident incomes over that period were California, which lost $370.1 billion, and Illinois, which lost $315.2 billion.

States that saw resident incomes grow the most in the 2013 to 2022 period were Florida, with a gain of just over $1 trillion, and Texas, which saw a $290 billion uptick.

Unleash Prosperity's Vote With Your Feet project tracks how Americans and their money move between states year-over-year and found that those states have seen the biggest gains and declines in recent years.

Based on tax filing data from the 2011-12 period through 2021-22, New York lost a net 1.757 million residents to domestic migration, while California lost 1.632 million, Illinois 881,012 and New Jersey 350,111 over that period. Over that period, the biggest population gainers were Florida with 1.591 million and Texas with 1.268 million – more than double the third-ranked state with North Carolina gaining 520,615 residents in that period.


 
Who would have ever seen this come'n ? Not Mack The Finger !

Remember when you see the light at the end of the tunnel...it might be a train...come at you.

Unleash Prosperity released a report on Tuesday that found New York lost $517.5 billion in resident incomes from 2013 to 2022, while New Jersey lost $170.1 billion in that period, according to data from the Census Bureau and IRS.

The report covers cumulative gains and losses in each state's resident income, as a mover takes their income to another state for subsequent years – not just the first year after their move. The report was first covered by the NY Post.

New York's losses were the largest of any state, while New Jersey's losses ranked as the fourth-most among the states. The other states that lost the most in resident incomes over that period were California, which lost $370.1 billion, and Illinois, which lost $315.2 billion.

States that saw resident incomes grow the most in the 2013 to 2022 period were Florida, with a gain of just over $1 trillion, and Texas, which saw a $290 billion uptick.

Unleash Prosperity's Vote With Your Feet project tracks how Americans and their money move between states year-over-year and found that those states have seen the biggest gains and declines in recent years.

Based on tax filing data from the 2011-12 period through 2021-22, New York lost a net 1.757 million residents to domestic migration, while California lost 1.632 million, Illinois 881,012 and New Jersey 350,111 over that period. Over that period, the biggest population gainers were Florida with 1.591 million and Texas with 1.268 million – more than double the third-ranked state with North Carolina gaining 520,615 residents in that period.


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I am torn by this. If it was due to not being able to survife due to costs that is one thing. If one is extemely wealthy this doesn't make sense unless it was to secure the profits n a home for fear the market may become stagnate or decrease.
 
I am torn by this. If it was due to not being able to survife due to costs that is one thing. If one is extemely wealthy this doesn't make sense unless it was to secure the profits n a home for fear the market may become stagnate or decrease.
It's not a tough thing to understand, Shocked. If you're extremely wealthy you probably already have multiple homes. If you have a "vacation" home in Florida but your main residence is in NYC then by simply declaring the Florida home as your principle residence you're going to save millions in taxes.
The same is true for large corporations. Many of the large financial firms who have always based their operations in NYC because that was the center of the financial world have discovered that basing their operation in Texas or in Florida can literally save them billions of dollars in fees, taxes and building costs. Covid showed them that people can work remotely. They don't have to be in Manhattan. They don't have to subject their staffs to the traffic, high costs and out of control crime.
 
It's not a tough thing to understand, Shocked. If you're extremely wealthy you probably already have multiple homes. If you have a "vacation" home in Florida but your main residence is in NYC then by simply declaring the Florida home as your principle residence you're going to save millions in taxes.
The same is true for large corporations. Many of the large financial firms who have always based their operations in NYC because that was the center of the financial world have discovered that basing their operation in Texas or in Florida can literally save them billions of dollars in fees, taxes and building costs. Covid showed them that people can work remotely. They don't have to be in Manhattan. They don't have to subject their staffs to the traffic, high costs and out of control crime.
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Take for example International Paper (IPCO). Their first move was to operations to Memphis TN leaving the HQ in Purchase Ny in 1987. Then in 2001 they moved their HQ Stamford CT.
In 2006 the moved their HQ to their Operations Center in Memphis TN.
One would question as to why the move to Memphis. The answer is simple New York State Taxes became extremely high and Memphis has a airport hub terminal so business was not affected by the move.
Unfortunately IPCO still owns thousands of acres of land in the Adirondacks of NY State and Albany bleeds IPCO each time they need money through land taxation.
 
I am torn by this. If it was due to not being able to survife due to costs that is one thing. If one is extemely wealthy this doesn't make sense unless it was to secure the profits n a home for fear the market may become stagnate or decrease.
So the wealthy don't care about taxes?
 
So the wealthy don't care about taxes?
Do they care about their community?

Of course people want to minimize their taxes but if one is wealthy and would move just to save a couple of grand a year then that's just bloody stupid IMO
 
The urban population density of NY and NJ are extreme. NJ is the state with the highest population density. Florida's is higher than New York's, so moving from New York to Florida may lead to regret. People go with the crowd and then may later complain about feeling crowded.
 
Who would have ever seen this come'n ? Not Mack The Finger !

Remember when you see the light at the end of the tunnel...it might be a train...come at you.

Unleash Prosperity released a report on Tuesday that found New York lost $517.5 billion in resident incomes from 2013 to 2022, while New Jersey lost $170.1 billion in that period, according to data from the Census Bureau and IRS.

The report covers cumulative gains and losses in each state's resident income, as a mover takes their income to another state for subsequent years – not just the first year after their move. The report was first covered by the NY Post.

New York's losses were the largest of any state, while New Jersey's losses ranked as the fourth-most among the states. The other states that lost the most in resident incomes over that period were California, which lost $370.1 billion, and Illinois, which lost $315.2 billion.

States that saw resident incomes grow the most in the 2013 to 2022 period were Florida, with a gain of just over $1 trillion, and Texas, which saw a $290 billion uptick.

Unleash Prosperity's Vote With Your Feet project tracks how Americans and their money move between states year-over-year and found that those states have seen the biggest gains and declines in recent years.

Based on tax filing data from the 2011-12 period through 2021-22, New York lost a net 1.757 million residents to domestic migration, while California lost 1.632 million, Illinois 881,012 and New Jersey 350,111 over that period. Over that period, the biggest population gainers were Florida with 1.591 million and Texas with 1.268 million – more than double the third-ranked state with North Carolina gaining 520,615 residents in that period.


This is not a problem for them. All they have to do is raise taxes on those still there. Problem solved.
 
This is the reason Democrats opened the border and created sanctuary cities. To use illegals to replace lost population.
 
The urban population density of NY and NJ are extreme. NJ is the state with the highest population density. Florida's is higher than New York's, so moving from New York to Florida may lead to regret. People go with the crowd and then may later complain about feeling crowded.
There was a huge movement of folks from NYC moving upstate and into the Hudson valley because of Covid and ability to work from home.
That trend has reversed.
 
There was a huge movement of folks from NYC moving upstate and into the Hudson valley because of Covid and ability to work from home.
That trend has reversed.
They are moving to Florida
 
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