NY Dem Congressmen Ask Fed to Pay for KSM Trial

[maineman]

It was Holder's choice. Not obama's.

And I happen to agree with the choice. It certainly beats sequestering people for six years without charges and without trials.

BULLSHIT, he does nothing without the Permission of the President.

do you have any proof of that?

 

[Skull Pilot]

IMHO

If New York didn't want to foot the bill, they should have let the military try KSM. But they got what they wanted so they can pay for it.

 

[chanel]

No one with half a brain would ever think that Holder could make a decision of that magnitude without checking with his boss. But if you want proof, maybe someone from the MSM could ask Gibbs. I'm sure we'd get a straightforward answer there. Not.

 

[maineman]

No one with half a brain would ever think that Holder could make a decision of that magnitude without checking with his boss. But if you want proof, maybe someone from the MSM could ask Gibbs. I'm sure we'd get a straightforward answer there. Not.

People spout opinions around here and try to call them facts.

I do not believe that Holder is required to get the president's PERMISSION to do his job... that is MY opinion. If you have anything that would PROVE me wrong...step right up...other than that...stfu

 

[chanel]

I will not STFU. Let me repeat; a decision of this magnitude could not be made without the President's ok. And the fact that he won't state that publicly just shows what a weak leader he is,

 

[WillowTree]

Thank you for that useful post Jillian (gotta get that sarc mark). Do you think the people of NY should have to pay? I believe they've estimated the costs at $400 million.

snark marks cost $1.99..

 

[WillowTree]

If it was Holder's idea take the money out of his budget.

 

[chanel]

Uh oh. Newsweek is reporting that plans to move the trial to NY "may be in jeopardy".

Top administration officials are getting nervous that they may not be able to proceed with one of their most controversial national-security moves: trying Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and four other accused 9/11 conspirators in federal court in New York City. Last November Attorney General Eric Holder Jr. portrayed the trial as a way to showcase the American justice system to the world—and to accelerate President Obama's stalled plans to shut down the U.S. prison at Guantánamo Bay. But because of shifting political winds in Congress, the trial is now "potentially in jeopardy," a senior official, who did not want to be named talking about a sensitive situation, tells NEWSWEEK.

No KSM in NYC? - Declassified Blog - Newsweek.com

It also looks like the price tag may be more than $400 mil.

The figures have prompted some critics to say that, given the years a complex conspiracy case could take, the final cost could approach $1 billion.

Hmmm. Wonder how they'll proceed with the crotchbomber. Another billion?

 

[maineman]

I will not STFU. Let me repeat; a decision of this magnitude could not be made without the President's ok. And the fact that he won't state that publicly just shows what a weak leader he is,

keep repeating your unsupported opinions.... I will continue to disagree with this particular one.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

It was Holder's choice. Not obama's.

And I happen to agree with the choice. It certainly beats sequestering people for six years without charges and without trials.

BULLSHIT, he does nothing without the Permission of the President.

do you have any proof of that?

You're an idiot , the president can fire the attorney general at any time.

Obama administration spokesmen are portraying the president as unable to overrule Attorney General Eric Holder’s decision to have a special prosecutor determine whether to prosecute CIA interrogators who were cleared by Department of Justice career attorneys back in 2004. “This was not something the White House allowed, this was something the AG decided,” a White House spokesman said.
Utter nonsense.

The attorney general serves at the pleasure of the president, and the president can determine that a prosecution would undermine the national security—a subject on which he has a wider perspective and a greater responsibility than the attorney general—and order that it not go forward.

Probably not many in people in Washington remember that Harry Truman once fired an attorney general for, in his view, suborning corruption. In early 1952 the Truman administration was plagued by scandal, including that of the erstwhile head of the Justice Department’s Tax Division, T. Lamar Caudle. On February 1, 1952, at Truman’s instigation. Attorney General J. Howard McGrath, a former governor of and senator from Rhode Island, appointed Newbold Morris as a special assistant attorney general in the Justice Department to investigate corruption. Morris, a Republican, had been elected city council president of New York City on Mayor Fiorello LaGuardia’s Fusion ticket in 1937 and 1941 and in 1945 and 1949 was the Republican nominee for mayor, losing both times to William O’Dwyer, who resigned in 1950, having been appointed ambassador to Mexico, where he was inaccessible to legal process servers.
Morris, a scion of the family of revolutionary patriot Gouverneur Morris, a cousin of Edith Wharton’s and the son-in-law of Judge Learned Hand, sent out a questionnaire, which he ran by President Truman, to Justice Department employees. On April 3 he was fired by McGrath. Truman promptly fired McGrath. Richard Rovere memorably wrote up the episode in the New Yorker.
McGrath, fired at age 48, never held public office again; he lost the 1960 Democratic senatorial primary to Claiborne Pell. Morris, fired at age 50, was appointed parks commissioner by New York Mayor Robert F. Wagner, replacing the long-serving Robert Moses, and served from 1960 until 1966.
If Barack Obama really meant it when he said that he didn’t want to see prosecutions of CIA interrogators for acts committed long ago, for which they were cleared long ago, he has a ready alternative: he can give Eric Holder the same treatment Harry Truman gave J. Howard McGrath.


The president can fire the attorney general | Washington Examiner

 

[CrusaderFrank]

If the President and his Attorney General had left well enough alone all these men would already have been tried. KSM plead Guilty in the Tribunal. More money down the drain because Obama wants to make a statement against Bush. He knows he can not get any real evidence against Bush so he will settle for this crap. A waste of time, money and resources for a show trial the likes of which even the Kremlin would be proud.

If the last administration had any intention of giving them military trials, they'd have been tried during the six years the last administration had them.

I'm still trying to figure out why it was ok for bush's admin to try the shoe bomber and blind sheikh, but now we've suddenly lost our ability to hold a trial.

KSM already plead guilty before a military tribunal.

 

[chanel]

Yep and the prez and the AG have already declared him guilty. That's good enough for me, but not good enough for his supporters?. Mind boggling.

 

[maineman]

BULLSHIT, he does nothing without the Permission of the President.

do you have any proof of that?

You're an idiot , the president can fire the attorney general at any time.

Obama administration spokesmen are portraying the president as unable to overrule Attorney General Eric Holder’s decision to have a special prosecutor determine whether to prosecute CIA interrogators who were cleared by Department of Justice career attorneys back in 2004. “This was not something the White House allowed, this was something the AG decided,” a White House spokesman said.
Utter nonsense.

The attorney general serves at the pleasure of the president, and the president can determine that a prosecution would undermine the national security—a subject on which he has a wider perspective and a greater responsibility than the attorney general—and order that it not go forward.

Probably not many in people in Washington remember that Harry Truman once fired an attorney general for, in his view, suborning corruption. In early 1952 the Truman administration was plagued by scandal, including that of the erstwhile head of the Justice Department’s Tax Division, T. Lamar Caudle. On February 1, 1952, at Truman’s instigation. Attorney General J. Howard McGrath, a former governor of and senator from Rhode Island, appointed Newbold Morris as a special assistant attorney general in the Justice Department to investigate corruption. Morris, a Republican, had been elected city council president of New York City on Mayor Fiorello LaGuardia’s Fusion ticket in 1937 and 1941 and in 1945 and 1949 was the Republican nominee for mayor, losing both times to William O’Dwyer, who resigned in 1950, having been appointed ambassador to Mexico, where he was inaccessible to legal process servers.
Morris, a scion of the family of revolutionary patriot Gouverneur Morris, a cousin of Edith Wharton’s and the son-in-law of Judge Learned Hand, sent out a questionnaire, which he ran by President Truman, to Justice Department employees. On April 3 he was fired by McGrath. Truman promptly fired McGrath. Richard Rovere memorably wrote up the episode in the New Yorker.
McGrath, fired at age 48, never held public office again; he lost the 1960 Democratic senatorial primary to Claiborne Pell. Morris, fired at age 50, was appointed parks commissioner by New York Mayor Robert F. Wagner, replacing the long-serving Robert Moses, and served from 1960 until 1966.
If Barack Obama really meant it when he said that he didn’t want to see prosecutions of CIA interrogators for acts committed long ago, for which they were cleared long ago, he has a ready alternative: he can give Eric Holder the same treatment Harry Truman gave J. Howard McGrath.


The president can fire the attorney general | Washington Examiner

the fact that the president can fire the attorney general is not proof that the attorney general is required to get the president's PERMISSION for everything he does.

fucking moron.

 

[chanel]

The president said he would support either decision, As the boss, he ok'd it. He knew it was too risky politically, so if anything horrible happens, he can throw Holder under the bus. That's part of their unwritten contract with this WH. And prob other administrations as well.

 

[jillian]

KSM already plead guilty before a military tribunal.

after being waterboarded how many times?

look at it this way. if some other country was holding one of our guys and said they "confessed" to something after being tortured, i'm kind of thinking you'd call foul.

well, i call foul equally....whether its them doing it to our guys or our guys doing it to them.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

do you have any proof of that?

You're an idiot , the president can fire the attorney general at any time.

Obama administration spokesmen are portraying the president as unable to overrule Attorney General Eric Holder’s decision to have a special prosecutor determine whether to prosecute CIA interrogators who were cleared by Department of Justice career attorneys back in 2004. “This was not something the White House allowed, this was something the AG decided,” a White House spokesman said.
Utter nonsense.

The attorney general serves at the pleasure of the president, and the president can determine that a prosecution would undermine the national security—a subject on which he has a wider perspective and a greater responsibility than the attorney general—and order that it not go forward.

Probably not many in people in Washington remember that Harry Truman once fired an attorney general for, in his view, suborning corruption. In early 1952 the Truman administration was plagued by scandal, including that of the erstwhile head of the Justice Department’s Tax Division, T. Lamar Caudle. On February 1, 1952, at Truman’s instigation. Attorney General J. Howard McGrath, a former governor of and senator from Rhode Island, appointed Newbold Morris as a special assistant attorney general in the Justice Department to investigate corruption. Morris, a Republican, had been elected city council president of New York City on Mayor Fiorello LaGuardia’s Fusion ticket in 1937 and 1941 and in 1945 and 1949 was the Republican nominee for mayor, losing both times to William O’Dwyer, who resigned in 1950, having been appointed ambassador to Mexico, where he was inaccessible to legal process servers.
Morris, a scion of the family of revolutionary patriot Gouverneur Morris, a cousin of Edith Wharton’s and the son-in-law of Judge Learned Hand, sent out a questionnaire, which he ran by President Truman, to Justice Department employees. On April 3 he was fired by McGrath. Truman promptly fired McGrath. Richard Rovere memorably wrote up the episode in the New Yorker.
McGrath, fired at age 48, never held public office again; he lost the 1960 Democratic senatorial primary to Claiborne Pell. Morris, fired at age 50, was appointed parks commissioner by New York Mayor Robert F. Wagner, replacing the long-serving Robert Moses, and served from 1960 until 1966.
If Barack Obama really meant it when he said that he didn’t want to see prosecutions of CIA interrogators for acts committed long ago, for which they were cleared long ago, he has a ready alternative: he can give Eric Holder the same treatment Harry Truman gave J. Howard McGrath.


The president can fire the attorney general | Washington Examiner

the fact that the president can fire the attorney general is not proof that the attorney general is required to get the president's PERMISSION for everything he does.

fucking moron.

You're the moron if you think the AG doesn't have to answer to the president. Who the fuck do you think the AG's boss is? Can your boss tell you to cease and desist a project your working on?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

KSM already plead guilty before a military tribunal.

after being waterboarded how many times?

look at it this way. if some other country was holding one of our guys and said they "confessed" to something after being tortured, i'm kind of thinking you'd call foul.

well, i call foul equally....whether its them doing it to our guys or our guys doing it to them.

This from a person that quotes Letterman and Springsteen.

 

[maineman]

You're an idiot , the president can fire the attorney general at any time.

Obama administration spokesmen are portraying the president as unable to overrule Attorney General Eric Holder’s decision to have a special prosecutor determine whether to prosecute CIA interrogators who were cleared by Department of Justice career attorneys back in 2004. “This was not something the White House allowed, this was something the AG decided,” a White House spokesman said.
Utter nonsense.

The attorney general serves at the pleasure of the president, and the president can determine that a prosecution would undermine the national security—a subject on which he has a wider perspective and a greater responsibility than the attorney general—and order that it not go forward.

Probably not many in people in Washington remember that Harry Truman once fired an attorney general for, in his view, suborning corruption. In early 1952 the Truman administration was plagued by scandal, including that of the erstwhile head of the Justice Department’s Tax Division, T. Lamar Caudle. On February 1, 1952, at Truman’s instigation. Attorney General J. Howard McGrath, a former governor of and senator from Rhode Island, appointed Newbold Morris as a special assistant attorney general in the Justice Department to investigate corruption. Morris, a Republican, had been elected city council president of New York City on Mayor Fiorello LaGuardia’s Fusion ticket in 1937 and 1941 and in 1945 and 1949 was the Republican nominee for mayor, losing both times to William O’Dwyer, who resigned in 1950, having been appointed ambassador to Mexico, where he was inaccessible to legal process servers.
Morris, a scion of the family of revolutionary patriot Gouverneur Morris, a cousin of Edith Wharton’s and the son-in-law of Judge Learned Hand, sent out a questionnaire, which he ran by President Truman, to Justice Department employees. On April 3 he was fired by McGrath. Truman promptly fired McGrath. Richard Rovere memorably wrote up the episode in the New Yorker.
McGrath, fired at age 48, never held public office again; he lost the 1960 Democratic senatorial primary to Claiborne Pell. Morris, fired at age 50, was appointed parks commissioner by New York Mayor Robert F. Wagner, replacing the long-serving Robert Moses, and served from 1960 until 1966.
If Barack Obama really meant it when he said that he didn’t want to see prosecutions of CIA interrogators for acts committed long ago, for which they were cleared long ago, he has a ready alternative: he can give Eric Holder the same treatment Harry Truman gave J. Howard McGrath.


The president can fire the attorney general | Washington Examiner

the fact that the president can fire the attorney general is not proof that the attorney general is required to get the president's PERMISSION for everything he does.

fucking moron.

You're the moron if you think the AG doesn't have to answer to the president. Who the fuck do you think the AG's boss is? Can your boss tell you to cease and desist a project your working on?

of COURSE he "answers" to the president. But he certainly is NOT required to GET PERMISSION for everything he does.

 

[jillian]

KSM already plead guilty before a military tribunal.

after being waterboarded how many times?

look at it this way. if some other country was holding one of our guys and said they "confessed" to something after being tortured, i'm kind of thinking you'd call foul.

well, i call foul equally....whether its them doing it to our guys or our guys doing it to them.

This from a person that quotes Letterman and Springsteen.

You're kidding, right?

thanks for the truly thought-provoking response.

 

[Cecilie1200]

what blithering idiots you are.

What a breathtakingly insightful contribution to the subject. While I realize that you're the resident expert on blithering idiocy, coming from you, this means . . . absolutely nothing.