NV., The next Mecca of Green Energy?

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NV pretty much exists because of taxpayer funded green energy and water projects arising from FDR's New Deal.
Hydro power is green energy.
 

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How the hell do you screw up a geothermal well? Especially one that produces 35MW instead of 45MW..

There's more to this story.. Never was a risk of a "dry well" -- the margin should have been there for producing slightly less.. I think INCOMPETENT people are getting the GOVT funding. The ones that would NEVER have trusted by private investors..

And USCittyCat -- Hydro USED to be green.. Officially, it's been purged from most lists of "alternatives". Except for "micro-hydro" which is an enviro nightmare and a joke.. Time to FREE the salmon and restore the river ecologies...
 

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How the hell do you screw up a geothermal well? Especially one that produces 35MW instead of 45MW..

There's more to this story.. Never was a risk of a "dry well" -- the margin should have been there for producing slightly less.. I think INCOMPETENT people are getting the GOVT funding. The ones that would NEVER have trusted by private investors..

And USCittyCat -- Hydro USED to be green.. Officially, it's been purged from most lists of "alternatives". Except for "micro-hydro" which is an enviro nightmare and a joke.. Time to FREE the salmon and restore the river ecologies...
Las Vegas was a little cow town before FDR's Hoover Dam and all those tax dollars.
They still depend on Hoover dam for electric and water.
 
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How the hell do you screw up a geothermal well? Especially one that produces 35MW instead of 45MW..

There's more to this story.. Never was a risk of a "dry well" -- the margin should have been there for producing slightly less.. I think INCOMPETENT people are getting the GOVT funding. The ones that would NEVER have trusted by private investors..

And USCittyCat -- Hydro USED to be green.. Officially, it's been purged from most lists of "alternatives". Except for "micro-hydro" which is an enviro nightmare and a joke.. Time to FREE the salmon and restore the river ecologies...
Las Vegas was a little cow town before FDR's Hoover Dam and all those tax dollars.
They still depend on Hoover dam for electric and water.
Mostly water. And So. California benefits the most from Hoover Dam.
 

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Nevada has great geothermal potential. Plus solar, and some wind. Time to take advantage of those resources, and get off of fossil fuels.
 

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Nevada has great geothermal potential. Plus solar, and some wind. Time to take advantage of those resources, and get off of fossil fuels.
Pay attention Ole Rocks.. Here's what I said...

Hydro USED to be green.. Officially, it's been purged from most lists of "alternatives". Except for "micro-hydro" which is an enviro nightmare and a joke.. Time to FREE the salmon and restore the river ecologies...
And you proceeded to neg-rep me for that FULLY founded statement. Now when stuff like that happens -- I put my life on hold to defend it and make you look ridiculous..

Lemme back that statement up --- just a little OK???

http://www.sierraclub.org/policy/conservation/energy.pdf

5. New Large Hydroelectric Plants
While few if any large hydro sites still remain for development in the U.S., Canadian sites that could serve the U.S. market are being actively explored. Of additional concern are efforts in developing countries, often with the support of international finance institutions, to build large dams in the few remaining natural sites. The well-known drawbacks of large hydro include inundation of large natural areas, substantial damage to fish and wildlife, interference with fish migration and reproduction, and displacement of human and natural communities. Some reservoirs fill up prematurely and are rendered useless for power generation due to siltation. There is also evidence that large dam impoundments, especially in the tropics, emit significant amounts of methane and CO2. The Sierra Club strongly opposes the construction of new large hydroelectric dams.
Hydropower Doesn't Count as Clean Energy | Environment | AlterNet

Earth Island Journal / By Sarah Phelan Hydropower Doesn't Count as Clean Energy

Think hydropower helps in the fight against climate change? Think again.
October 5, 2007

Opponents of dams have long argued against putting barriers in the natural flow of a river. Dams, they point out, prevent endangered fish from migrating, alter ecosystems, and threaten the livelihoods of local communities.

Native Americans, fishing communities, and environmentalists have made these arguments in their quest to decommission four dams on Klamath River, which runs from southwest Oregon to the coast of California. But with California requiring a 25 percent reduction in the state's carbon dioxide emissions by 2020, clean energy has suddenly entered the Klamath dam debate.

Bill Fehrman, president of PacifiCorp, the hydropower company that owns these Klamath dams, says replacing the power from these dams "could result in adding combustion emissions to the environment."

Maybe not. Recent reports on methane emissions suggest that dams are anything but carbon-neutral.

According to recently published estimates from Ivan Lima and some of his colleagues at Brazil's National Institute for Space Research, the world's 52,000 largest dams release 104 million metric tons of methane annually. If Lima's calculations are correct, then dams would account for about four percent of the total warming impact of human activities -- and would constitute the largest single source of human-related methane emissions.
Holy Cow Roxie --- could that be? Are your eco-buds right about METHANE emission? Or is this just a desperate attempt to pervert science? Anyway -- you enjoying the econaut ANGST about hydroelectric no longer being on the Clean Green Alternative Preferred list?

Let's continue to earn those Neg-Rep points..

China's Three Gorges Dam: An Environmental Catastrophe?: Scientific American

SHANGHAI—For over three decades the Chinese government dismissed warnings from scientists and environmentalists that its Three Gorges Dam—the world's largest—had the potential of becoming one of China's biggest environmental nightmares. But last fall, denial suddenly gave way to reluctant acceptance that the naysayers were right. Chinese officials staged a sudden about-face, acknowledging for the first time that the massive hydroelectric dam, sandwiched between breathtaking cliffs on the Yangtze River in central China, may be triggering landslides, altering entire ecosystems and causing other serious environmental problems—and, by extension, endangering the millions who live in its shadow.
No disaster there eh? No Enviro impact report required..

As Wind Power Grows, a Push to Tear Down Dams - NYTimes.com

WASCO, Ore. — For decades, most of the nation’s renewable power has come from dams, which supplied cheap electricity without requiring fossil fuels. But the federal agencies running the dams often compiled woeful track records on other environmental issues.

Now, with the focus in Washington on clean power, some dam agencies are starting to go green, embracing wind power and energy conservation. The most aggressive is the Bonneville Power Administration, whose power lines carry much of the electricity in the Pacific Northwest. The agency also provides a third of the region’s power supply, drawn mostly from generators inside big dams.

Yet the shift of emphasis at the dam agencies is proving far from simple. It could end up pitting one environmental goal against another, a tension that is emerging in renewable-power projects across the country.

Environmental groups contend that the Bonneville Power Administration’s shift to wind turbines buttresses their case for tearing down dams in the agency’s territory, particularly four along the lower Snake River in Washington State that helped decimate one of North America’s great runs of wild salmon.

When it comes to helping salmon, Bonneville has “been dragged kicking and screaming every inch of the way,” said Bill Arthur, a Sierra Club representative in the Northwest. Mr. Arthur praised the agency’s efforts to add wind power, but he argued that the four lower Snake River dams, which are far smaller than major dams like Grand Coulee, were not needed to back up wind power.
Well let's go at it ole Rocks.. WHAT did I originally say that was wrong or beligerent or nasty enough to get you pissed? Or are you just wimpy enough to lash out for no apparent reason.

Because your moronic cult-like absorption in "alternative energy" is falling apart in front of your eyes.. I can see why you're desparate.. Thanks for providing the motivation to point that out... :meow: :laugh2:
 
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NV pretty much exists because of taxpayer funded green energy and water projects arising from FDR's New Deal.
Hydro power is green energy.



Nope, Nevada exists because we were smart enough to let people play and do what they want. So long as they don't hurt anyone else. We were the divorce capitol of the US for decades and of course were the first to legalise gambling and prostitution. In other words where the rest of your states considered it Vice, we considered it OK.

Nevada has allways gotten back less money then it sends to DC. Even with Reid as Senate Majority Leader we get around 65 cents back (give or take a few pennies) for every dollar we send in.

I do agree however that the Green projects here are losers for the most part.
 

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How the hell do you screw up a geothermal well? Especially one that produces 35MW instead of 45MW..

There's more to this story.. Never was a risk of a "dry well" -- the margin should have been there for producing slightly less.. I think INCOMPETENT people are getting the GOVT funding. The ones that would NEVER have trusted by private investors..

And USCittyCat -- Hydro USED to be green.. Officially, it's been purged from most lists of "alternatives". Except for "micro-hydro" which is an enviro nightmare and a joke.. Time to FREE the salmon and restore the river ecologies...
Las Vegas was a little cow town before FDR's Hoover Dam and all those tax dollars.
They still depend on Hoover dam for electric and water.



LV was a cowtown even after the Hoover Dam "investment" it took the Mob to get LV on the map. Jeesh, don't you watch any movies!:lol: And, for the record LV gets the VAST majority of its electricity from the power plants in the Moapa Valley (fed by the Peabody coal mine in the Navajo Nation). I think it gets less then 5% of its electricity from Hoover Dam, most of that goes to California.
 
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Nevada has great geothermal potential. Plus solar, and some wind. Time to take advantage of those resources, and get off of fossil fuels.



If they were as efficient we would be. Environmentalists are pissed off at the solar project in southern Nevada because it is going to have a major impact on the desert tortoise. Wind power would wipe out our indigenous birds not to mention all the raptors that would be killed so we don't want that either.

Geothermal is good but right now I like Wheelabrator Technologies trash burning power plants even better. Less enviro damage and they help clean up a growing problem and give us energy at a cheaper cost then photo volataic bya freakin mile.
 

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Sure, Walleyes, sure. Just came back from eastern Oregon, traveled through many windmill farms, saw eagles, ospreys, mulitiple kinds of hawks, cheek and jowel with the windmills, working the wheat fields that the windmills stand in.
 

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