NorthEast has NOT had second coolest summer on record.

[Crick]

From the NorthEast Regional Climate Center, Northeast Overview for June 2024

Temperature
The Northeast had its fifth-hottest June on record with an average temperature of 67.9 degrees F, 2.3 degrees F above normal. June average temperatures for the 12 Northeast states ranged from 1.1 degrees F above normal in West Virginia to 3.3 degrees F above normal in Connecticut. This June ranked among the 10 hottest Junes on record for 11 of the 12 states: Connecticut, Massachusetts, and Rhode Island, second hottest; New Jersey, third hottest; Maine, fourth hottest; Delaware and Maryland, fifth hottest; New Hampshire, seventh hottest; Vermont, eighth hottest; and New York and Pennsylvania, 10th hottest. June 2024 was the hottest June on record for four of the Northeast’s 35 major climate sites – Bridgeport and Hartford, Connecticut; Caribou, Maine; and Islip, New York. On June 19, Caribou tied its all-time hottest temperature of 96 degrees F and its all-time warmest low temperature of 71 degrees F. On the same day, Burlington, Vermont, tied its all-time hottest low temperature of 80 degrees F. Meanwhile, Dulles Airport, Virginia, and Elkins, West Virginia, tied their hottest low temperatures for June with 78 degrees F on June 23 and 72 degrees F on June 29, respectively. Dulles Airport and Elkins tied their greatest number of June days with a high of 90 degrees F or higher with 14 days and six days, respectively. Similarly, a few sites tied their greatest number of days with a low of 70 degrees F or higher including Newark, New Jersey, with 12 days and Buffalo, New York, with seven days. For additional information on June’s extreme heat, see the Notable Weather Events section below.

NRCC Narrative Overview

www.nrcc.cornell.edu

 

[odanny]

So that is the lie and climate deniers are rolling with?

Sounds about right.

 

[1srelluc]

It's Summer, it's hot......Who knew?

That tune will soon change as Beryl swings up and through the south/mid-atlantic.

BTW....Getting temps from places (like Dulles) that are nothing more than concrete/asphalt frying pans is disingenuous at best.....It's like running with NASCAR track temps.

OP fails again.

 

[Crick]

It's Summer, it's hot......Who knew?

That tune will soon change as Beryl swings up and through the south/mid-atlantic.

BTW....Getting temps from places (like Dulles) that are nothing more than concrete/asphalt frying pans is disingenuous at best.....It's like running with NASCAR track temps.

OP fails again.

The text I quoted from the Northeast Regional Climate Center spoke of numerous locations and state averages. It is not all data from Dulles and Kennedy.

BtW, do you believe that airports undergo more temperature change over time than other areas near them? That is, if the temperature of areas surrounding an airport rise 1C over 50 years, do you believe the average temperature of the airport will experience a larger increase? If you do, could you explain how? And if you do not, what is your objection to recording temperatures from known-hot locations if they will show the same changes as other locations?

 

[1srelluc]

The text I quoted from the Northeast Regional Climate Center spoke of numerous locations and state averages. It is not all data from Dulles and Kennedy.

BtW, do you believe that airports undergo more temperature change over time than other areas near them? That is, if the temperature of areas surrounding an airport rise 1C over 50 years, do you believe the average temperature of the airport will experience a larger increase? If you do, could you explain how? And if you do not, what is your objection to recording temperatures from known-hot locations if they will show the same changes as other locations?

My common sense tells me that if readings were taken 10 miles west of Dulles there would be a huge difference.

I know exactly where the temps are taken there and it's a huge fuckin' frying pan....Small wonder it does not cool down as much at night than say the farmland (what's left if it) to the west.

The below pic was taken in 2017.....It's even more built-up now.....I'd say a solid 25% more concrete and asphalt surrounding it.....A giant heat sink that heats the surrounding air and keeps it hot at night.

I guess the argument can be made that population centers and the attendant heat sink effect they cause drive-up the averages in those areas......But that is a population center problem and has shit all to do with temps outside those areas.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

And these records are from the 2PPM of CO2 added since last year? That’s amazing

 

[Crick]

My common sense tells me that if readings were taken 10 miles west of Dulles there would be a huge difference.

I know exactly where the temps are taken there and it's a huge fuckin' frying pan....Small wonder it does not cool down as much at night than say the farmland (what's left if it) to the west.

The below pic was taken in 2017.....It's even more built-up now.....I'd say a solid 25% more concrete and asphalt surrounding it.....A giant heat sink that heats the surrounding air and keeps it hot at night.

I guess the argument can be made that population centers and the attendant heat sink effect they cause drive-up the averages in those areas......But that is a population center problem and has shit all to do with temps outside those areas.

You completely missed my point. I am not saying a black asphalt airport isn't hotter than a green pasture under the same amount of sunlight. I'm saying that over the years, each will see the same amount of warming from increased GHGs.

 

[1srelluc]

You completely missed my point. I am not saying an airport isn't hotter than a green pasture under the same amount of sunlight. I'm saying that over the years, each will see the same amount of warming from increased GHGs.

Can't say but I bet your ilk would never even consider taking those readings....Not as much drama involved.

 

[sparky]

~S~

 

[Crick]

Can't say but I bet your ilk would never even consider taking those readings....Not as much drama involved.

Wouldn't consider collecting data? Wasn't weather data, but that was a major portion of my job responsibilities for 35 years. Look, if you've got nothing pertinent to add, there's really no need to post.

 

[Crick]

View attachment 973447

~S~

If I used the same cartoon but saying:

"Mom, what's a global warming denier?"

"A mentally challenged person who lacks critical thinking, thrives on fear mongering and gets duped very easily into believing just about anything without evidence, dear."

Would you be convinced?

 

[sparky]

Would you be convinced?

show me evidence first Crick

~S~

 

[Crick]

show me evidence first Crick

~S~

Of what would you like evidence?

 

[Sunsettommy]

Of what would you like evidence?

You don't have anything beyond dumb climate models.

 

[Orangecat]

From the NorthEast Regional Climate Center, Northeast Overview for June 2024

Temperature
The Northeast had its fifth-hottest June on record with an average temperature of 67.9 degrees F, 2.3 degrees F above normal. June average temperatures for the 12 Northeast states ranged from 1.1 degrees F above normal in West Virginia to 3.3 degrees F above normal in Connecticut. This June ranked among the 10 hottest Junes on record for 11 of the 12 states: Connecticut, Massachusetts, and Rhode Island, second hottest; New Jersey, third hottest; Maine, fourth hottest; Delaware and Maryland, fifth hottest; New Hampshire, seventh hottest; Vermont, eighth hottest; and New York and Pennsylvania, 10th hottest. June 2024 was the hottest June on record for four of the Northeast’s 35 major climate sites – Bridgeport and Hartford, Connecticut; Caribou, Maine; and Islip, New York. On June 19, Caribou tied its all-time hottest temperature of 96 degrees F and its all-time warmest low temperature of 71 degrees F. On the same day, Burlington, Vermont, tied its all-time hottest low temperature of 80 degrees F. Meanwhile, Dulles Airport, Virginia, and Elkins, West Virginia, tied their hottest low temperatures for June with 78 degrees F on June 23 and 72 degrees F on June 29, respectively. Dulles Airport and Elkins tied their greatest number of June days with a high of 90 degrees F or higher with 14 days and six days, respectively. Similarly, a few sites tied their greatest number of days with a low of 70 degrees F or higher including Newark, New Jersey, with 12 days and Buffalo, New York, with seven days. For additional information on June’s extreme heat, see the Notable Weather Events section below.

NRCC Narrative Overview

www.nrcc.cornell.edu

Damn, only 5th place? We can do better, folks. Fire up your 8 cylinder ICEs.

 

[Crick]

You don't have anything beyond dumb climate models.

The question was to Sparky. Did you want empirical evidence of global warming, because there are reams and reams and reams of it.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Curves-of-global-temperature-between-1850-and-2015-from-five-different-combined_fig1_326073260

And if you think you can demonstrate that, say, CMIP6 models are "dumb", let's hear it.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You completely missed my point. I am not saying a black asphalt airport isn't hotter than a green pasture under the same amount of sunlight. I'm saying that over the years, each will see the same amount of warming from increased GHGs.

Do you have lab work showing how these deminimus increase in CO2 cause "warming"?

 

[Captain Caveman]

The question was to Sparky. Did you want empirical evidence of global warming, because there are reams and reams and reams of it.

View attachment 973467

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Curves-of-global-temperature-between-1850-and-2015-from-five-different-combined_fig1_326073260

And if you think you can demonstrate that, say, CMIP6 models are "dumb", let's hear it.

What are you comparing that data too?

 

[1srelluc]

Wouldn't consider collecting data? Wasn't weather data, but that was a major portion of my job responsibilities for 35 years. Look, if you've got nothing pertinent to add, there's really no need to post.

Just keeping a level head and using some common sense......I fear you have gone well beyond the point of using any common sense at all.

 

[Sunsettommy]

The question was to Sparky. Did you want empirical evidence of global warming, because there are reams and reams and reams of it.

View attachment 973467

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Curves-of-global-temperature-between-1850-and-2015-from-five-different-combined_fig1_326073260

And if you think you can demonstrate that, say, CMIP6 models are "dumb", let's hear it.

The Anomaly chart doesn't match up with the CHMIP6 in reality since Temperature is a snapshot of temperature-based "global" data on all warming/cooling factors known and unknown while CMIP6 runs on emission/CO2 scenarios and little else thus a lot of warming/cooling factors not addressed.

There is no relationship at all, but you are not smart enough to understand it since you NEVER have shown it in the past why they don't compare.