NCAA CBA: Are You Satisfied Now?

[DGS49]

Some athletic directors open to collective bargaining agreements for college athletes

Some ADs see collective bargaining as something that could be inevitable, even if it would take some creativity to make it work without crushing the finances of their sports programs.

tucson.com

As stupid as NCAA sports have become, as asinine as it has been to pay the little tykes, THIS is the icing on the cake. Let the college athletes form a collective bargaining agreement to negotiate with the schools.

Un. *******. Believable.

The "deal" has always been, "We'll give you a free college eduction if you come and play for us!" It was a great deal and proponents say it lifted countless kids out of poverty and relative poverty (not counting the tiny percentage who made it to the pro's) by getting a college degree that they never would have gotten had they not been able to play for tuition.

But the insane showcasing of college FB and BB, and Americans' neurotic thirst for more sports entertainment resulted in a situation where many schools were actually PROFITING from the sports - enough so that FB and BB teams could make enough to pay for sports that nobody wanted to watch, which is to say, girls' sports, and thousands of additional athletic scholarships became available. La di da.

So what would a CBA look like? Would schools still be able to demand that the players actually go to class? Achieve passing grades? Will a teacher who gives a student a failing grade bring about an UNFAIR LABOR PRACTICE, that could result in a "work" stoppage?

Civilized countries look at American college sports and just scratch their figurative heads. WTF are those crazy Americans doing? Are they interested in EDUCATION at all? It's right up there with gun rights. They don't get it. And neither do I.

If colleges want to facilitate their STUDENTS playing games, I'm fine with that. Athletic scholarships are an abomination that should have been banned a long time ago. It is a cancer in American higher education.

 

[Gabe Lackmann]

Good for them. Most of these kids will never play a day in the pros. So, if they can help themselves or their families during college, that's great.
This goes both ways, too. The NBA, for example, has already set a minimum age at which players can be drafted.
So, these students will still have to 'play ball' at the college level for a certain amount of time. If they want the degree, they will still have to do the work.

 

[DukeU]

Greed is slowly ruining college sports.

 

[Mashmont]

Some athletic directors open to collective bargaining agreements for college athletes

Some ADs see collective bargaining as something that could be inevitable, even if it would take some creativity to make it work without crushing the finances of their sports programs.

tucson.com

As stupid as NCAA sports have become, as asinine as it has been to pay the little tykes, THIS is the icing on the cake. Let the college athletes form a collective bargaining agreement to negotiate with the schools.

Un. *******. Believable.

The "deal" has always been, "We'll give you a free college eduction if you come and play for us!" It was a great deal and proponents say it lifted countless kids out of poverty and relative poverty (not counting the tiny percentage who made it to the pro's) by getting a college degree that they never would have gotten had they not been able to play for tuition.

But the insane showcasing of college FB and BB, and Americans' neurotic thirst for more sports entertainment resulted in a situation where many schools were actually PROFITING from the sports - enough so that FB and BB teams could make enough to pay for sports that nobody wanted to watch, which is to say, girls' sports, and thousands of additional athletic scholarships became available. La di da.

So what would a CBA look like? Would schools still be able to demand that the players actually go to class? Achieve passing grades? Will a teacher who gives a student a failing grade bring about an UNFAIR LABOR PRACTICE, that could result in a "work" stoppage?

Civilized countries look at American college sports and just scratch their figurative heads. WTF are those crazy Americans doing? Are they interested in EDUCATION at all? It's right up there with gun rights. They don't get it. And neither do I.

If colleges want to facilitate their STUDENTS playing games, I'm fine with that. Athletic scholarships are an abomination that should have been banned a long time ago. It is a cancer in American higher education.

It takes an exceptional kid to get a read degree like engineering while playing major college football or basketball. One player told Rick Pitino he had to miss practice in order to study for a test. Pitino punished him by not letting him play in the next game. He called it an excuse.

Let's face it. Kids are there to play ball; not get a degree. As with most things, there are reasons that sound good; and then there are the real reasons.

 

[1srelluc]

LOL.....Brought to you by Draft Kings.

 

[ReinyDays]

Some athletic directors open to collective bargaining agreements for college athletes

Some ADs see collective bargaining as something that could be inevitable, even if it would take some creativity to make it work without crushing the finances of their sports programs.

tucson.com

As stupid as NCAA sports have become, as asinine as it has been to pay the little tykes, THIS is the icing on the cake. Let the college athletes form a collective bargaining agreement to negotiate with the schools.

Un. *******. Believable.

The "deal" has always been, "We'll give you a free college eduction if you come and play for us!" It was a great deal and proponents say it lifted countless kids out of poverty and relative poverty (not counting the tiny percentage who made it to the pro's) by getting a college degree that they never would have gotten had they not been able to play for tuition.

But the insane showcasing of college FB and BB, and Americans' neurotic thirst for more sports entertainment resulted in a situation where many schools were actually PROFITING from the sports - enough so that FB and BB teams could make enough to pay for sports that nobody wanted to watch, which is to say, girls' sports, and thousands of additional athletic scholarships became available. La di da.

So what would a CBA look like? Would schools still be able to demand that the players actually go to class? Achieve passing grades? Will a teacher who gives a student a failing grade bring about an UNFAIR LABOR PRACTICE, that could result in a "work" stoppage?

Civilized countries look at American college sports and just scratch their figurative heads. WTF are those crazy Americans doing? Are they interested in EDUCATION at all? It's right up there with gun rights. They don't get it. And neither do I.

If colleges want to facilitate their STUDENTS playing games, I'm fine with that. Athletic scholarships are an abomination that should have been banned a long time ago. It is a cancer in American higher education.

NCAA Sports are professional ... these colleges have earnings on the games ... professional in every way except paying the athletes ... or now they do ... this doesn't effect academic programs ... not sure why you think they do ...

Labor unions are protected under the 1st Amendment ... Freedom of Peaceful Association ... your "civilized countries" don't have that I'm afraid ... so they don't understand why we do ...

I certainly don't like where college football and men's basketball is going ... too much money ... but with that money comes better play ... if that's what you want, top 25 Heisman glamour ESPN-style football/basketball ... it's just a product ... we're the customer ... and make sure you tell your doctor about any parasitic infections you have ...

If we want amateur ... there's Division II ... or your local high school ... what our "civilized countries" don't understand is why we can't get twenty people together for a game ourselves ... like they can ... Latin America doesn't have City Parks, they have City Pitches ...

 

[DGS49]

I'm perfectly fine with Yoots playing professionally. It happens all over the world with football ("soccer"). But it has nothing to do with SCHOOLS, and that's where I have a problem. Set up "club" teams, minor leagues like baseball, whatever. But get it the **** out of colleges and universities, where its impact is deleterious. The rest of the world is right; we are ******* insane with college sports.

 

[Unkotare]

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Civilized countries look at American college sports and just scratch their figurative heads. WTF are those crazy Americans doing? Are they interested in EDUCATION at all? It's right up there with gun rights. They don't get it. And neither do I.

If colleges want to facilitate their STUDENTS playing games, I'm fine with that. Athletic scholarships are an abomination that should have been banned a long time ago. It is a cancer in American higher education.

The 98 lb. weakling surrenders to his OCD yet again.

 

[Unkotare]

I'm perfectly fine with Yoots playing professionally. It happens all over the world with football ("soccer"). But it has nothing to do with SCHOOLS, and that's where I have a problem. Set up "club" teams, minor leagues like baseball, whatever. But get it the **** out of colleges and universities, where its impact is deleterious. The rest of the world is right; we are ******* insane with college sports.

You don't speak for "the rest of the world," douche bag.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Civilized countries look at American college sports and just scratch their figurative heads. WTF are those crazy Americans doing? Are they interested in EDUCATION at all? It's right up there with gun rights. They don't get it. And neither do I.

I doubt it, Soccer in Europe is far more aggressive than college sports here.

The whole "amateur athlete" that the NCAA tried to pass off as them being a pure organization was all just BS from the very start. The NCAA, the networks, and the schools all made tons of money off of the players, and the players only got crumbs... a scholarship that they likely wouldn't use.

I was very much for a stipend for student athletes, especially men's football and basketball athletes, based on how much money they bring in. However, the NCAA whiffed and now we have the wild west of NIL money.

If colleges want to facilitate their STUDENTS playing games, I'm fine with that. Athletic scholarships are an abomination that should have been banned a long time ago. It is a cancer in American higher education.

There's already far greater cancers in higher education than any sports issue. We have ivory tower overloads who are quarantined from society, and the results of their "morality" and policy demands, who create massive debt on young generations and brand them with worthless credentials for it that provide no value to society and also further harm it.

 

[candycorn]

Hopefully (where there is a professional league to support it) we'll eventually move away from the NCAA and just create a junior league. State monies shouldn't be going for these things to start with. Let the NFL form a developmental league; allow the Raiders--God knows they need it--to have an "under 20" league and let them understand the way the Raiders do things. Get used to a new coach every other year (if not every year), the Hell's Angel type fan-base, and get away from the college draft that the silver and black screw up every year. Good organizations like the Patriots will thrive in such an environment.

Most of all, we can get away from this fantasy of the "student-athlete". Make football their job until they are 22. Stars will migrate to the NFL or Europe or CFL...the guys who were just there to get a paycheck will move on to something else.

Al Davis had the blueprint for something like this a few decades back.

 

[mikegriffith1]

We've gone from one extreme to the other. The NCAA stubbornly refused to bend on compensating players until it was far too late, and then the pendulum swung to the other extreme, namely, the situation that we have now. Getting an education is now a very low priority for many college football players, many of whom are poorly educated and have few marketable job skills.

College football salaries should be capped at $300K per year. $300K per year is nearly five times higher than the average salary for working Americans ($63K per year). Minimum academic standards should be enforced across the board. If you're failing your classes, you shouldn't be playing.

Part of the problem is indeed greed, but part of the problem is also the NCAA's stubbornness and incompetence.

 

[Couchpotato]

Some athletic directors open to collective bargaining agreements for college athletes

Some ADs see collective bargaining as something that could be inevitable, even if it would take some creativity to make it work without crushing the finances of their sports programs.

tucson.com

As stupid as NCAA sports have become, as asinine as it has been to pay the little tykes, THIS is the icing on the cake. Let the college athletes form a collective bargaining agreement to negotiate with the schools.

Un. *******. Believable.

The "deal" has always been, "We'll give you a free college eduction if you come and play for us!" It was a great deal and proponents say it lifted countless kids out of poverty and relative poverty (not counting the tiny percentage who made it to the pro's) by getting a college degree that they never would have gotten had they not been able to play for tuition.

But the insane showcasing of college FB and BB, and Americans' neurotic thirst for more sports entertainment resulted in a situation where many schools were actually PROFITING from the sports - enough so that FB and BB teams could make enough to pay for sports that nobody wanted to watch, which is to say, girls' sports, and thousands of additional athletic scholarships became available. La di da.

So what would a CBA look like? Would schools still be able to demand that the players actually go to class? Achieve passing grades? Will a teacher who gives a student a failing grade bring about an UNFAIR LABOR PRACTICE, that could result in a "work" stoppage?

Civilized countries look at American college sports and just scratch their figurative heads. WTF are those crazy Americans doing? Are they interested in EDUCATION at all? It's right up there with gun rights. They don't get it. And neither do I.

If colleges want to facilitate their STUDENTS playing games, I'm fine with that. Athletic scholarships are an abomination that should have been banned a long time ago. It is a cancer in American higher education.

So it's fine that the NCAA and schools make huge piles of money off the performance of these adults (they arent kids though Im not sure why that would matter) and these people shouldn't be compensated for that? And please dont say the education is the compensation because that's a wild underpay. Just the ticket sales from home football games at schools like OSU and UGA generate 65+ million dollars a year. That doesn't count all the booster money (which is what really pays the NIL) endorsements, merch etc etc. UGA averages 147 million a year in revenue.

And do you have any idea how many hours these "kids" put into the football program? It's a full time job, year round. In fact they are likely working overtime. You're acting like college football isnt a huge business. If anything NIL is waaaaaaaaay behind schedule and should have been paying players years ago.

Lane Kiffen is getting 91 million from LSU as well as incentives to coach at LSU. But the guys on the field should work for less than 45k a year? (out of state cost estimation) Did you fall down and hit your head?

 

[Couchpotato]

We've gone from one extreme to the other. The NCAA stubbornly refused to bend on compensating players until it was far too late, and then the pendulum swung to the other extreme, namely, the situation that we have now. Getting an education is now a very low priority for many college football players, many of whom are poorly educated and have few marketable job skills.

College football salaries should be capped at $300K per year. $300K per year is nearly five times higher than the average salary for working Americans ($63K per year). Minimum academic standards should be enforced across the board. If you're failing your classes, you shouldn't be playing.

Part of the problem is indeed greed, but part of the problem is also the NCAA's stubbornness and incompetence.

Why should they cap their "salaries"? Im not really sure why the big name schools listen to the NCAA at all frankly. It's surprising to me that they havent told them to pound sand and form their own league and do whatever they want. Which is likely what would happen if the NCAA attempted to do what you are proposing. What jurisdiction other than that which the schools give it does the NCAA have? What recourse would they have? Do you think that UGA fans would give a shit that their school isnt NCAA sanctioned so long as all the big time schools left and grouped together?

 

[Couchpotato]

Hopefully (where there is a professional league to support it) we'll eventually move away from the NCAA and just create a junior league. State monies shouldn't be going for these things to start with. Let the NFL form a developmental league; allow the Raiders--God knows they need it--to have an "under 20" league and let them understand the way the Raiders do things. Get used to a new coach every other year (if not every year), the Hell's Angel type fan-base, and get away from the college draft that the silver and black screw up every year. Good organizations like the Patriots will thrive in such an environment.

Most of all, we can get away from this fantasy of the "student-athlete". Make football their job until they are 22. Stars will migrate to the NFL or Europe or CFL...the guys who were just there to get a paycheck will move on to something else.

Al Davis had the blueprint for something like this a few decades back.

You keep saying this as if team like UGA football is somehow taking money from the state to fund its program which is just patently false.

 

[candycorn]

You keep saying this as if team like UGA football is somehow taking money from the state to fund its program which is just patently false.

Would the football team be there without the University?

 

[DGS49]

It's not like there is no example for football and basketball. The baseball minor leagues have been around for a hundred years, and they do a much better job of nurturing promising baseball players than college coaches do, who have the reputation for ruining more pitchers' arms with overwork than you can count.

Who actually benefits when we have thousands of aspiring athletes cluttering college dorms and classrooms when actual students go wanting?

The rest of the world is right. Their universities are devoted to education...what a concept!

 

[Unkotare]

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Who actually benefits when we have thousands of aspiring athletes cluttering college dorms and classrooms when actual students go wanting?

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What a douche bag. The vast majority of college athletes are not at big-time, D1 football or basketball. Yes, most of them are hard-working, studious student-athletes.

 

[Unkotare]

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The rest of the world is right. Their universities are devoted to education...what a concept!

You have no idea what "the rest of the world" thinks, weakling.

 

[Couchpotato]

Would the football team be there without the University?

Irrelevant. The football programs fund themselves.