Zone1 Nato comes to Washington. Republicans have a warning

[peacefan]

Nato comes to Washington. Republicans have a warning

John McCain is gone and Mitch McConnell’s style of foreign policy is a dying breed

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Ironically, Biden has specifically mentioned that only nine countries in Nato spent the 2 percent before he took office, whereas 23 countries will in 2024. Of course, that has not stopped Republicans from complaining.

“I think what President Trump's been pretty clear about — and I share the point of view — is that it's time for our Nato allies to step up from a financial perspective,” Senator Eric Schmitt of Missouri told The Independent. “I think the American people don't appreciate subsidizing the social programs of European countries when they don't pay enough for their percentage of their GDP to defense.”
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just don't start thinking that the EU or European NATO countries will blindly follow the leadership of the US when it comes to deciding which future battlefields to engage the enemy on.
either we work together, or the alliances our ancestors made will fall apart.

 

[fncceo]

the alliances our ancestors made will fall apart.

That alliance should have fallen apart decades ago.

NATO is such a dinosaur you could use it to run your car.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Nato comes to Washington. Republicans have a warning

John McCain is gone and Mitch McConnell’s style of foreign policy is a dying breed



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just don't start thinking that the EU or European NATO countries will blindly follow the leadership of the US when it comes to deciding which future battlefields to engage the enemy on.
either we work together, or the alliances our ancestors made will fall apart.

In Re:

Ironically, Biden has specifically mentioned that only nine countries in Nato spent the 2 percent before he took office, whereas 23 countries will in 2024. Of course, that has not stopped Republicans from complaining.

How do we know they "will?"

 

[fncceo]

How do we know they "will?"

Why would Biden lie?

 

[peacefan]

In Re:

Ironically, Biden has specifically mentioned that only nine countries in Nato spent the 2 percent before he took office, whereas 23 countries will in 2024. Of course, that has not stopped Republicans from complaining.

How do we know they "will?"

because public promises between government leaders tend to stick, or turn into big blaming headlines

 

[peacefan]

That alliance should have fallen apart decades ago.

why on earth?

NATO is such a dinosaur you could use it to run your car.

ha ha. not.

 

[Seymour Flops]

because public promises between government leaders tend to stick, or turn into big blaming headlines

Then why has paying the 2% ever been a problem? Those countries made that public promise decades ago.

I guess they didn’t stick after all.

 

[Couchpotato]

why on earth?

Because NATO was created as a hedge against the Soviet Union, which hasnt existed for 3 decades for starters. What it's turned into is a way for the west and specifically the US to expand shore up it's hegemony, it's why we keep expanding it and in large part what's lead us to fighting a proxy war with Russia in Ukraine. Thirdly, why on earth would we want to be in an alliance that forces us into a war?

ha ha. not.

See above. What cant we do without NATO that we can with NATO?

 

[peacefan]

Because NATO was created as a hedge against the Soviet Union, which hasnt existed for 3 decades for starters. What it's turned into is a way for the west and specifically the US to expand shore up it's hegemony, it's why we keep expanding it and in large part what's lead us to fighting a proxy war with Russia in Ukraine. Thirdly, why on earth would we want to be in an alliance that forces us into a war?

More Americans Say U.S. Is Not Helping Ukraine Enough

More Americans now say the U.S. is not doing enough to assist Ukraine in its war with Russia, while a majority still favor helping Ukraine reclaim its territory.

news.gallup.com

See above. What cant we do without NATO that we can with NATO?

defend ourselves properly from the BRICS, for instance.

 

[Couchpotato]

More Americans Say U.S. Is Not Helping Ukraine Enough

More Americans now say the U.S. is not doing enough to assist Ukraine in its war with Russia, while a majority still favor helping Ukraine reclaim its territory.

news.gallup.com

defend ourselves properly from the BRICS, for instance.

NATO doesnt protect us from BRICS. BRICS is an attempt to break the petro dollar and the G-7. It's an economic "alliance" having nothing to do with NATO.

 

[Couchpotato]

More Americans Say U.S. Is Not Helping Ukraine Enough

More Americans now say the U.S. is not doing enough to assist Ukraine in its war with Russia, while a majority still favor helping Ukraine reclaim its territory.

news.gallup.com

defend ourselves properly from the BRICS, for instance.

You mean a bunch of people who only know what the media and the Administration has told them about the war in Ukraine support it? Shocker. I guess the war in Iraq was a fantastic idea as well it had wide ranging support in Congress and with the public, right up until it didnt.

 

[Couchpotato]

gtopa1

What about my post is "fake news" Was NATO not created as a hedge against the USSR? Have we not been expanding NATO since the USSR broke up breaking the promise we made to them that we wouldn't? Did the Russians not tell the US that putting Ukraine into NATO was the reddest of red lines back when Bush Jr was President? Did the US State Dept not support a coup in Ukraine to oust a democratically elected Pro Russian admin and install a Pro western one? Did Putin not tell the head of NATO that if NATO would give Russia something in writing that Ukraine wouldn't be put into NATO that Russia wouldn't invade? Did the head of NATO not tell Putin to basically **** off? Are we living in some fantasy world where these things didnt happen?

 

[peacefan]

NATO doesnt protect us from BRICS. BRICS is an attempt to break the petro dollar and the G-7. It's an economic "alliance" having nothing to do with NATO.

i was more referring to the Iranian, Russian, Chinese and North-Korean threats.

 

[peacefan]

You mean a bunch of people who only know what the media and the Administration has told them about the war in Ukraine support it? Shocker. I guess the war in Iraq was a fantastic idea as well it had wide ranging support in Congress and with the public, right up until it didnt.

these are people's lives and severe suffering we're talking about, so don't do it callously eh.

 

[Couchpotato]

i was more referring to the Iranian, Russian, Chinese and North-Korean threats.

But that's not the point of NATO.


1, NK is a regional threat. How does a European alliance built as a hedge to Russia address that?

2, China is also a region threat (militarily) as they have no ability other than through ICBM's to project power. So again see above.

3. Why are we fomenting an adversarial relationship with Russia? How does that benefit the US let alone anyone in Europe and especially NATO members?

 

[Couchpotato]

these are people's lives and severe suffering we're talking about, so don't do it callously eh.

1, no one in the US is suffering due to the war in Ukraine.

2, As I have stated in past threads at this point in the war the only thing we are funding is death and suffering. Ukraine can not at this point expel Russia from Ukraine. Seeing as how Putin was willing to not invade Ukraine if given written assurance that Ukraine would not be admitted into NATO I would guess that would be a significant carrot to get him to stop prosecuting the war. A brokered peace is what should sought at this point. If you support the continued funding of this war, all you are supporting is the continued suffering and death of people.

 

[Couchpotato]

just don't start thinking that the EU or European NATO countries will blindly follow the leadership of the US when it comes to deciding which future battlefields to engage the enemy on.
either we work together, or the alliances our ancestors made will fall apart.

I didnt address this comment in my initial post. There's nothing in the NATO charter that would even remotely tie the US to any war started by or entered into by other NATO countries. They are certainly free to do so but once that decision is made I would argue they lose their protection under article 5. You dont get to stick your nose into something then cry to daddy when it gets punched.

 

[Dragonlady]

In Re:

Ironically, Biden has specifically mentioned that only nine countries in Nato spent the 2 percent before he took office, whereas 23 countries will in 2024. Of course, that has not stopped Republicans from complaining.

How do we know they "will?"

Because in 2014, when Obama was president, the NATO members signed an Agreement that they would raise their investment in military spending to 2% of GDP by 2024.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_49198.htm

That’s how.

 

[Couchpotato]

Because in 2014, when Obama was president, the NATO members signed an Agreement that they would raise their investment in military spending to 2% of GDP by 2024.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_49198.htm

That’s how.

Remember when asking that NATO do this was considered being anti NATO, Of course that was when the last guy was President so.....

 

[Seymour Flops]

Because in 2014, when Obama was president, the NATO members signed an Agreement that they would raise their investment in military spending to 2% of GDP by 2024.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_49198.htm

That’s how.

All we know is that they signed an agreement.

Get back to me when they finally actually pony up their fair share. It's been ten years since they signed the paper by your own account. Can we cash that piece of paper now? If not, nature calls, and I could put it to good use.

What's the status on all the back dues they owe? We (the American taxper) can just eat that?