My impressions on the first two days of Congestion Pricing in NYC

[CrusaderFrank]

The sad thing is that democrats have perfected cheating so that the City and State cannot ever elect a Rudy

 

[rosends]

The point is to raise revenue, which will never be enough.

At some point, everyone will be charged for the "privilege" of entering the island.

people already are. There are tolls on the entrances to Manhattan.

 

[martybegan]

I never said it did, I began by saying "Get a job working from home" if you want to avoid the burden of travel every day.

I never said it works for everyone but you could change the kind of work you do, many people change their career paths, it's the new normal.

There's no reason to call me a "self centered sack of shit" just because we disagree, but oh, I forgot, you're a trumpanzee.

The very nature of your response implies you idiotically think it works for everyone. Or at least everyone you consider your "equal"

Again, unearned hubris.

Some people have to do things like construction, medicine, manufacturing, services, etc.

Are you really this fucking dense?

 

[hadit]

They don't realize they just increased their replacement pool by an order of magnitude.

That's why you make yourself too valuable to replace, even though you charge twice as much. That's what I did at Circuit City when I saw Indian developers coming in and writing code for cheap. I went into database management, which is still not super popular to do overseas.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

The very nature of your response implies you idiotically think it works for everyone. Or at least everyone you consider your "equal"

What a strange interpretation of what I wrote.

Again, unearned hubris.

Some people have to do things like construction, medicine, manufacturing, services, etc.

You enjoy stating the obvious don't you.

Are you really this fucking dense?

As I said, you're a trumpanzee and that's the only way you know of interacting with people who disagree with you, when did you take your "Learn how to talk like Trump" course anyway?

 

[martybegan]

What a strange interpretation of what I wrote.

You enjoy stating the obvious don't you.

As I said, you're a trumpanzee and that's the only way you know of interacting with people who disagree with you, when did you take your "Learn how to talk like Trump" course anyway?

This has nothing to do with Trump, dumbass.

 

[ThisIsMe]

You would still have to pay for the smaller trucks to deliver from the hub.

Not always, but often.

Either way, you're paying for another truck to deliver what was on the previous truck, and if that 53 is full of LTL freight, you're using 2 trucks to deliver it all.

Right, but are not paying the inflated freight from long haul carriers going into NYC, you reduce accident potential and congestion. Those smaller trucks can take more routes because they don't have to worry about many of the bridge limits. They can make turns easier, get into smaller spaces.


You're going to have to pay someone to get it there regardless. Also, inside NYC, I would imagine not too many businesses receive entire truck loads of goods.

Smaller trucks for smaller deliveries, and in the case of a multi drop truck, it's easier to maneuver a smaller truck and less dangerous.

Most big box carriers don't require their drivers to go into NYC, so you get a lot of O/O doing that and they are charging a lot more to do it

 

[drudge X]

This isn't really new. San Francisco already has something similar minus the regressive fee. Cars aren't allowed on Market St, which is one of the few main streets in the city downtown. Planners said shutting down the streets to cars will encourage public transit usage. Plus most inner streets don't allow left or right turn and parking is non-existent. Guess what happened. Businesses suffered and mass transit didn't experience any increase in ridership. This past Christmas, shoppers flocked to the south West part of the city Stinestown Mall with plenty of parking. Businesses were booming whereas downtown suffered massive loss.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Update? How is the traffic now?

 

[Missourian]

Are commercial trucks charged the higher pricing? They can't take public transit and the city needs the good yes?

Last time I crossed the GW Bridge, the toll for five axle trucks was $30, the Tappan Zee Bridge was $11.25. That was probably 15 to 20 years ago. I don't go to the East Coast North of Georgia anymore.

Today the GW is $110 and the Tappan Zee (now the Mario Cuomo Memorial) is $72.50 cash price.

And on top of that, most trucking companies pay a premium incentive to drivers that go up to the Northeast.

 

[Independent thinker]

The point is to raise revenue, which will never be enough.

At some point, everyone will be charged for the "privilege" of entering the island.

Yet the one trillioneth dem policy which backfires spectacularly.

 

[martybegan]

Update? How is the traffic now?

We had a holiday, and snow, and cold weather so still trying to see a baseline impact on traffic.

Still noticing less trucks during the day. I haven't been on the subway yet during rush hours so no view on any increase in ridership.

Things like that take a month to measure properly.

What I've seen reported id NYPD and NYS Police cracking down on illegal or modified plates. They are not just doing it at the congestion crossings, but other tolled bridges as well.

 

[westwall]

Very well ignore facts, ignore metrics, ignore science, I'd hate to work in a building you've been involved in.

They can't but software developers can just as music composers and artists can and do.

As I said earlier you're just bitter.

You asshats are going to be replaced by AI in about 4 years. Then what will you do, sport?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

You asshats are going to be replaced by AI in about 4 years. Then what will you do, sport?

Tell me, how does replacing masses of the workforce with "AI" make the country great again? how does mass unemployment and reduced disposable income help make the country great again? how does an economy based on consumption operate when there are fewer and fewer consumer?

As for me, I'm a software engineer, I write AI so the question is what are you gonna do...

 

[westwall]

Tell me, how does replacing masses of the workforce with "AI" make the country great again? how does mass unemployment and reduced disposable income help make the country great again? how does an economy based on consumption operate when there are fewer and fewer consumer?

As for me, I'm a software engineer, I write AI so the question is what are you gonna do...

It doesn't, but it IS going to happen. What will your smug little ass do then. Here's the deal. ANY job that can be automated, WILL be. The only jobs that are secure are infrastructure jobs. Machine maintenance as well.

I am long retired, but as a geologist I would be the guy finding the base materials to keep your worthless ass employed.

There are many jobs that you clearly look down on, but those jobs will still be around. Yours won't.

So you need to ask yourself what ARE you going to do when YOU are made obsolete.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

It doesn't, but it IS going to happen.

If a government allows it to happen.

What will your smug little ass do then.

You call me "smug? It is the those elated at Trump and Musk who are smug.

Here's the deal. ANY job that can be automated WILL be.

That's been the case since the dawn of the industrial revolution.

The only jobs that are secure are infrastructure jobs. Machine maintenance as well.

You've never heard of robots?

I am long retired, but as a geologist I would be the guy finding the base materials to keep your worthless ass employed.

So now you think I owe you something?

There are many jobs that you clearly look down on, but those jobs will still be around. Yours won't.

What jobs do you think I look down on, this is fascinating, I can't wait to see...

So you need to ask yourself what ARE you going to do when YOU are made obsolete.

I am a software engineer and designer, in case you haven't read any books on this, AI is software.

Your posts are filled with hatred for people, you are a perfect magat, racist, bigoted, keen to see others suffer, excited that people who don't share your beliefs will lose their jobs, starve, become homeless, that's you, that's maga.

 

[westwall]

If a government allows it to happen.

You call me "smug? It is the those elated at Trump and Musk who are smug.

That's been the case since the dawn of the industrial revolution.

You've never heard of robots?

So now you think I owe you something?

What jobs do you think I look down on, this is fascinating, I can't wait to see...

I am a software engineer and designer, in case you haven't read any books on this, AI is software.

Your posts are filled with hatred for people, you are a perfect magat, racist, bigoted, keen to see others suffer, excited that people who don't share your beliefs will lose their jobs, starve, become homeless, that's you, that's maga.

Yeah, but AI will develop better AI software than YOU can. You are literally training your replacement, but are too arrogant to see it.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Yeah, but AI will develop better AI software than YOU can. You are literally training your replacement, but are too arrogant to see it.

I would never tell you how to do your job as a geologist so please don't tell me how to do mine, for that very reason it is you who is arrogant.

Tell me how will your ideal "great again" America actually look?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

westwall

Here, read something other than Twitter and the pronouncements of your Lord and Master Musk:

Even a bullish estimate about the effects of generative AI by Goldman Sachs puts its impact on productivity growth at around 1.5% a year over the next 10 years. That, as Solow might say, is nothing to sneeze at, but it’s not going to end the need for workers. The Goldman Sachs report calculated that roughly two-thirds of US jobs are “exposed to some degree of automation by AI.” Yet this conclusion is often misinterpreted—it doesn’t mean all those jobs will be replaced. Rather, as the Goldman Sachs report notes, most of these positions are “only partially exposed to automation.” For many of these workers, AI will become part of the workday and won’t necessarily lead to layoffs.

One critical wild card is how many new jobs will be created by AI even as existing ones disappear. Estimating such job creation is notoriously difficult. But MIT’s David Autor and his collaborators recently calculated that 60% of employment in 2018 was in types of jobs that didn’t exist before 1940. One reason innovation has created so many new jobs is that it has increased the productivity of workers, augmenting their capabilities and expanding their potential to do new tasks. The bad news: this job creation is countered by the labor-destroying impact of automation when it’s used to simply replace workers. As Autor and his coauthors conclude, one of the key questions now is whether “automation is accelerating relative to augmentation, as many researchers and policymakers fear.”

and note this:

In an interview late last year with the UK prime minister, Rishi Sunak, Elon Musk declared there will come a time when “no job is needed,” thanks to an AI “magic genie that can do everything you want.” Musk added that as a result, “we won’t have universal basic income, we’ll have universal high income”—apparently answering Compton’s rhetorical question about whether machines will be “the genii which … supply every need and desire of man.”

It might not be possible to prove Musk wrong, since he gave no timeline for his utopian prediction; in any case, how do you argue against the power of a magical genie? But the end-of-work meme is a distraction as we figure out the best way to use AI to expand the economy and create new jobs.

Breakthroughs in generative AI, such as ChatGPT and other large language models, will likely transform the economy and labor markets. But there’s no convincing evidence that we’re on a path to a jobless future. To paraphrase Solow, we should worry about that when there’s a problem to worry about.

Elon Musk is a venture capitalist not a software innovator, no serious software engineer listens to Musk's ramblings about software, he has written no books about software engineering or programming, he really isn't listened to much by real engineers. Why so many purportedly intelligent people listen to the man, is a real mystery.

If he and I attended a job for a software engineer - I'd get the job.

People are worried that AI will take everyone’s jobs. We’ve been here before.

In a 1938 article, MIT’s president argued that technical progress didn’t mean fewer jobs. He’s still right.

www.technologyreview.com

Seriously, get off social media, you will not learn much there, go and buy some books, you say you're retired, well you come across as an angry young man not a mellow, wise older man.

 

[westwall]

I would never tell you how to do your job as a geologist so please don't tell me how to do mine, for that very reason it is you who is arrogant.

Tell me how will your ideal "great again" America actually look?

Where have I told you to do your job? I merely told you that you are training your replacement.