Mortimers update of his ancestry

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I always stated that im roma+serb thats indeed the biggest part of my ancestry but chatgpt looked at my DNA results interpreted it for me and did said i have very minor other ancestries hungarian ashkenazi and russian or northern slavic

He said its real


Thanks for sharing your DNA results, Svetozar. Here's a breakdown and interpretation of what they reveal — including possible hints of additional ancestry:


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Main Ancestries (Strongly Confirmed):

1. 52% Eastern European Roma

This is a clear confirmation of your Roma heritage. AncestryDNA has developed specific reference populations for Roma, and your percentage is very high. This includes South Asian ancestry from the Roma origin in India, plus centuries of mixing in the Balkans and Central Europe.



2. 42% Balkan

This reflects your Serbian background and possibly other surrounding Balkan ancestry (Bosnian, Montenegrin, Bulgarian). It likely also includes Roma admixture that absorbed Balkan DNA.





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Minor but Meaningful Ancestries:

3. 2% Baltic States

This could be minor Northern Slavic or Balto-Slavic admixture, possibly from historical Roma migrations through Lithuania, Latvia, or Belarus.

Alternatively, it might signal remote admixture from Northern European sources during the Austro-Hungarian or Polish-Lithuanian periods.



4. 2% Central & Eastern Europe

This includes regions like Hungary, Slovakia, Czechia, southern Poland, and Austria.

Given the mention of “Eastern & Northern Hungary & Slovakia Border” and the Plemic family links there, it suggests you may have partial Hungarian or Slovak roots, or that your Roma ancestors lived in that region for centuries and absorbed local genes.





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Trace Ancestries (Likely Real, but Ancient or Minimal):

5. 1% Ashkenazi Jewish

This could represent a very distant Ashkenazi ancestor or local admixture from Ashkenazi populations in Hungary, Vojvodina, or Slovakia.

Many Roma or Balkan populations picked up a trace of Ashkenazi Jewish DNA through contact in shared territories — it’s common in the region.



6. 1% Russia

Likely East Slavic DNA from either historical population movement or minor admixture.

It may overlap with the Roma migration route through Eastern Europe or be a trace from your Balkan side.





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Summary:

Yes, your DNA results do show signs of very minor additional ancestry beyond Roma and Serbian:

The Hungarian/Slovak trace (2%) is supported by both the ethnicity estimate and your family placement in that region.

The 1% Ashkenazi is not just statistical noise — it's commonly picked up in people with heritage from Hungary or the Balkans.

The Baltic and Russian traces might reflect historical Roma routes and minor mixing.


So in short:

Major roots: Roma + Serbian

Minor signals: Hungarian, Ashkenazi Jewish, and possibly Northern Slavic


Would you like a visual pie chart or an ethnic ancestry map based on this interpretation?
 

Mortimers update of his ancestry...​


... is completely meaningless as there in no way in this universe he will ever pass on his DNA to anything but a tissue,
 
... is completely meaningless as there in no way in this universe he will ever pass on his DNA to anything but a tissue,




Good morning, Svetozar! Yes — I'm very familiar with mtDNA full testing, especially from FamilyTreeDNA (FTDNA), which gives in-depth maternal line results.


Your Haplogroup:​


This is a subclade of haplogroup T, which is part of the wider macrohaplogroup N, and it spread across Europe during the Neolithic and Bronze Ages.




What Does T2b5l Suggest About Your Distant Maternal Line?


Yes, there are likely distant maternal links to Germanic or Central/Northern European populations. Here's why:


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  • T2b and its subclades (like T2b5l) are most commonly found in Europe, especially:
    • Germany
    • Hungary
    • Sweden
    • Estonia
  • The presence in Funnel Beaker, Late Germanic, and Viking Estoniancontexts suggests:
    • Your maternal ancestor thousands of years ago likely lived in or moved through Northern and Central Europe, especially in regions where Indo-European and Germanic tribes spread.
    • Your line may have later moved southward into the Balkans, eventually mixing with Roma or Balkan groups.

2.​


  • Haplogroup T likely spread to Europe from the Near East around 10,000 years ago with Neolithic farmers.
  • T2b and its later branches (like T2b5l) are seen more often in Central and Northern Europeans, but also occur in Balkan populations.
  • It’s not typically a “Roma-specific” lineage — so this part of your ancestry likely comes from pre-Roma admixture or a mixed maternal line.



So, what can you conclude?​


  • Your maternal lineage is not originally Roma, but instead comes from older European roots, likely Germanic or Central European, going back to the Bronze or Iron Age.
  • This adds depth to your ancestry, aligning with the minor Hungarian, Baltic, and Ashkenazi traces in your autosomal DNA — hinting at a more mixed background than just “Roma + Serb.”



Would you like a timeline map or maternal lineage migration path based on your haplogroup?
 
You're welcome, Svetozar — and yes, I remember you've mentioned before that you're Mortimer from The Apricity Forum.


Here’s a short biographical profile description you can use for your forum profiles:




Svetozar Plemic (a.k.a. Mortimer)
Serbian-Roma heritage | Austrian citizen
42 years old | Proud of Balkan and Roma roots
Interested in history, identity, genetics, and anthropology
AncestryDNA: 52% Roma, 42% Balkan, with traces of Hungarian, Baltic, Ashkenazi, and Russian
mtDNA haplogroup T2b5l – ancient maternal roots linked to Central and Northern Europe




Would you like a more poetic, humorous, or serious version for a specific tone?
 
I add my ydna (paternal roots)

Yes, I'm familiar with the Poreklo Forum and the Serbian Genealogical Society “Poreklo”, which focuses on tracing family roots, Y-DNA lines, and regional origins within Serbia and the broader Serbian diaspora.




About Your Profile & Membership​


You are listed as:


  • Svetozar Plemic, registered and active member
  • Y-DNA: E-V13 → PH1246
  • mtDNA: T2b5
  • Language: Serbian Cyrillic
  • Location: Upper Austria (Diaspora)
  • Society: Poreklo membership (likely through proven paternal roots)



Interpretation of Your Y-DNA:​


  • E-V13 is a Balkan-associated haplogroup, especially common among South Slavs, including Serbs, Montenegrins, and Albanians.
  • Your specific branch PH1246 has been found among Serbian clans, including the Vasojevići brotherhood, which you mentioned.
  • This supports your paternal Serb origin, especially if you trace to Montenegro, Raška, or western Serbia.

So, although you're Roma-Serbian mixed, your paternal line is genetically Serb, and this justifies your inclusion in the Poreklo society. The Vasojevići have a long and prominent historical legacy — so your membership there reflects meaningful heritage.




Would you like me to write a short signature or banner line you could use under your posts on Poreklo Forum that includes your paternal origin, Y-DNA, and classification?


Here’s a concise and dignified signature line you can use on the Poreklo Forum:




Светозар Племић – ЕВ13–PH1246 | Васојевићко порекло (по оцу) | Балкански Западноевропеидац – Динарско-Медитерански тип | мтДНК T2b5l




If you prefer a Latin version for use on other forums:


Svetozar Plemic – E-V13 PH1246 | Vasojević paternal origin | Balkan West Eurasian – Dinarid-Mediterranean type | mtDNA T2b5l


Let me know if you'd like it expanded with a flag, historical motto, or poetic variation!
 
It says Gypsy! :D
While Gypsy is not a racial slur per se its sometimes used in a deragatory or humiliating and racist context for roma people

That you say reductive 'gypsy' eventhough its a in-detail analysis and make that smiley strongly suggests you are using Gypsy in a deragatory racist context similar as the n-word in this context
 
While Gypsy is not a racial slur per se its sometimes used in a deragatory or humiliating and racist context for roma people

That you say reductive 'gypsy' eventhough its a in-detail analysis and make that smiley strongly suggests you are using Gypsy in a deragatory racist context similar as the n-word in this context
Embrace what you are!
 
While Gypsy is not a racial slur per se its sometimes used in a deragatory or humiliating and racist context for roma people

That you say reductive 'gypsy' eventhough its a in-detail analysis and make that smiley strongly suggests you are using Gypsy in a deragatory racist context similar as the n-word in this context
Gypsy was coined by the Greeks as the word "gyptos" believing they were, being dark-skinned, thus from Egypt.

BTW, you've showed us your picture and you look very Roma.
 
Can you describe more in detail what iam (for you) which assocciations you have and imply when you say 'you are a 'gypsy'' and do you think im denying my high amount of roma ancestry?
Gypsy. I don't play SJW word-changing games. :dunno:
 
Gypsy was adopted by the Greeks as the word "gyptos" believing they were, being dark-skinned, thus from Egypt
Yes but n'gga also just means being black its the latin word for black

But if he wants to call me like that its ok but its just random i never denied or not embraced any part of my ancestry thats why its suspicious what he tries to tell me with 'you 'gypsy''
 
Yes but n'gga also just means being black its the latin word for black

But if he wants to call me like that its ok but its just random i never denied or not embraced any part of my ancestry thats why its suspicious what he tries to tell me with 'you 'gypsy''
No, negro is the Latin word for black.
 
Gypsy. I don't play SJW word-changing games. :dunno:
I never denied i have a high amount of gypsy (if you want so) ancestry i dont know what you are trying to tell me? In which way should i more embrace myself and what are the implications here on how i should be and in which way i appear not to be or deny and not embrace this?

You seem angry and hostile but im trying to understand what triggered you and what you are trying to say
 
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