Mike Johnson Turns Decades Old Jefferson Prayer Lie Into Whole New Jefferson Prayer Lie

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So, by now most people have read or heard about how Mike Johnson, in his remarks after barely eking out a victory to continue his tenure as Speaker of the House in the 119th Congress, attributed a very Christian prayer, in Jesus’ name, to Thomas Jefferson.

A whole bunch of news outlets have reported that this prayer was never uttered by Jefferson, citing a page on the Monticello website that says it has “no evidence that this prayer was written or delivered by Thomas Jefferson.”

But that’s only half the story. Johnson didn’t just quote this prayer and attribute it to Jefferson; he turned a decades-old bit of Christian nationalist history revisionism into a whole new lie — claiming that Jefferson not only wrote this prayer, as in the traditional Christian nationalist lie about it, but that Jefferson recited it every day throughout his presidency and the rest of his life!

So, let’s start with the traditional version of this Jefferson prayer lie, which I wrote about in my 2006 book Liars For Jesus: The Religious Right's Alternate Version of American History, Vol. 1.

The traditional version of the lie is that Jefferson said this prayer on March 4, 1805, the date of his second inauguration.

While this Jefferson prayer lie can be found in many Christian nationalist books, I cited the version from William Federer’s 1999 book America’s God and Country Encyclopedia of Quotations, a book chock-full of fake quotes and other revisionist history frequently used by Christian nationalist legislators, who repeat these fake quotes and pieces of bogus history without even checking to see if Federer’s endnotes for them are real.

Who is William Federer? Well, he’s a Senior Fellow at the D. James Kennedy Center for Christian Statesmanship, a Capitol Hill-based Christian nationalist organization whose goal is “to raise up the next generation of Christian Statesmen to serve in the mission field of government and public policy.” (emphasis added)


That's what white christian nationalists do. Lie.

Liars for Jesus. Just love the name of that book.
 
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There is another thread on this.

Why do Lefties fret about inconsequential mis-statements and honest differences of opinion, calling them "LIES!" but never have any issues with the entire White House staff and half the MSM claiming that not only was Biden fully "present" but capable of another four years. That there is a LIE, motherfuckers. Who gives a shit whether Jefferson ever even heard that prayer?

Certainly no heathen Lefties.
 
So, by now most people have read or heard about how Mike Johnson, in his remarks after barely eking out a victory to continue his tenure as Speaker of the House in the 119th Congress, attributed a very Christian prayer, in Jesus’ name, to Thomas Jefferson.

A whole bunch of news outlets have reported that this prayer was never uttered by Jefferson, citing a page on the Monticello website that says it has “no evidence that this prayer was written or delivered by Thomas Jefferson.”

But that’s only half the story. Johnson didn’t just quote this prayer and attribute it to Jefferson; he turned a decades-old bit of Christian nationalist history revisionism into a whole new lie — claiming that Jefferson not only wrote this prayer, as in the traditional Christian nationalist lie about it, but that Jefferson recited it every day throughout his presidency and the rest of his life!

So, let’s start with the traditional version of this Jefferson prayer lie, which I wrote about in my 2006 book Liars For Jesus: The Religious Right's Alternate Version of American History, Vol. 1.

The traditional version of the lie is that Jefferson said this prayer on March 4, 1805, the date of his second inauguration.

While this Jefferson prayer lie can be found in many Christian nationalist books, I cited the version from William Federer’s 1999 book America’s God and Country Encyclopedia of Quotations, a book chock-full of fake quotes and other revisionist history frequently used by Christian nationalist legislators, who repeat these fake quotes and pieces of bogus history without even checking to see if Federer’s endnotes for them are real.

Who is William Federer? Well, he’s a Senior Fellow at the D. James Kennedy Center for Christian Statesmanship, a Capitol Hill-based Christian nationalist organization whose goal is “to raise up the next generation of Christian Statesmen to serve in the mission field of government and public policy.” (emphasis added)


That's what white christian nationalists do. Lie.

Liars for Jesus. Just love the name of that book.
Wow...you are really scraping the bottom of the barrel, Skews! You've got your panties in a twist over a Jefferson prayer? Really? :) :) :)
 
The OP hates America, and he'll take any opportunity he can find to take a shot at it's culture. You will never see him go after Islam or it's followers no matter what they may do, but if he can take a shot at Christians or their religion, he'll do it in a heartbeat.
 
So, by now most people have read or heard about how Mike Johnson, in his remarks after barely eking out a victory to continue his tenure as Speaker of the House in the 119th Congress, attributed a very Christian prayer, in Jesus’ name, to Thomas Jefferson.

A whole bunch of news outlets have reported that this prayer was never uttered by Jefferson, citing a page on the Monticello website that says it has “no evidence that this prayer was written or delivered by Thomas Jefferson.”

But that’s only half the story. Johnson didn’t just quote this prayer and attribute it to Jefferson; he turned a decades-old bit of Christian nationalist history revisionism into a whole new lie — claiming that Jefferson not only wrote this prayer, as in the traditional Christian nationalist lie about it, but that Jefferson recited it every day throughout his presidency and the rest of his life!

So, let’s start with the traditional version of this Jefferson prayer lie, which I wrote about in my 2006 book Liars For Jesus: The Religious Right's Alternate Version of American History, Vol. 1.

The traditional version of the lie is that Jefferson said this prayer on March 4, 1805, the date of his second inauguration.

While this Jefferson prayer lie can be found in many Christian nationalist books, I cited the version from William Federer’s 1999 book America’s God and Country Encyclopedia of Quotations, a book chock-full of fake quotes and other revisionist history frequently used by Christian nationalist legislators, who repeat these fake quotes and pieces of bogus history without even checking to see if Federer’s endnotes for them are real.

Who is William Federer? Well, he’s a Senior Fellow at the D. James Kennedy Center for Christian Statesmanship, a Capitol Hill-based Christian nationalist organization whose goal is “to raise up the next generation of Christian Statesmen to serve in the mission field of government and public policy.” (emphasis added)


That's what white christian nationalists do. Lie.

Liars for Jesus. Just love the name of that book.
^^ funny how a prayer about Jesus makes demons manifest.
 
So, by now most people have read or heard about how Mike Johnson, in his remarks after barely eking out a victory to continue his tenure as Speaker of the House in the 119th Congress, attributed a very Christian prayer, in Jesus’ name, to Thomas Jefferson.

A whole bunch of news outlets have reported that this prayer was never uttered by Jefferson, citing a page on the Monticello website that says it has “no evidence that this prayer was written or delivered by Thomas Jefferson.”

But that’s only half the story. Johnson didn’t just quote this prayer and attribute it to Jefferson; he turned a decades-old bit of Christian nationalist history revisionism into a whole new lie — claiming that Jefferson not only wrote this prayer, as in the traditional Christian nationalist lie about it, but that Jefferson recited it every day throughout his presidency and the rest of his life!

So, let’s start with the traditional version of this Jefferson prayer lie, which I wrote about in my 2006 book Liars For Jesus: The Religious Right's Alternate Version of American History, Vol. 1.

The traditional version of the lie is that Jefferson said this prayer on March 4, 1805, the date of his second inauguration.

While this Jefferson prayer lie can be found in many Christian nationalist books, I cited the version from William Federer’s 1999 book America’s God and Country Encyclopedia of Quotations, a book chock-full of fake quotes and other revisionist history frequently used by Christian nationalist legislators, who repeat these fake quotes and pieces of bogus history without even checking to see if Federer’s endnotes for them are real.

Who is William Federer? Well, he’s a Senior Fellow at the D. James Kennedy Center for Christian Statesmanship, a Capitol Hill-based Christian nationalist organization whose goal is “to raise up the next generation of Christian Statesmen to serve in the mission field of government and public policy.” (emphasis added)


That's what white christian nationalists do. Lie.

Liars for Jesus. Just love the name of that book.
Pathetic.
 
Jefferson wrote so much, there are many volumes, 10's of thousands of pages of information.

So to deny Jefferson said this prayer the democrat mass media machine uses one of their people who works at Monticello?

Monticello says it is unlikely that Jefferson said this prayer because of what they state is Jefferson's ideology?

Sad to use a person at Monticello, I would reference Jeffersons books
 
000 10. From Bush To Trump To January 6th: The Rise And Fall Of "Constitutional Conservatism” under Don J Trump.
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Branding and Marketing the sacrificial love DJesusT Christ falsely claims to have for white (aggrieved) males and their women and the devotion and love the most never Christ-like asshole politician imaginable gets from HIS white Fundamentalists Bible Readers along with about half of devout Catholics and the remainder of the Republican Trump entire mostly white American and foreign coalition is an American travesty.

i. skews13 OP i refers to Paul Rosenberg writing for Salon Feb 4, 3023 in the following. ; •LINK 1• From Bush to Trump to Jan. 6: The rise and fall of 'constitutional conservatism'. In fact, ideology has never been conservatives' strong suit — at least, not in recent American history. Where they've been more successful is with myth-making, or to put it in marketing terms, branding. skwsN 230204 Vfbttt00001

ii. skews13 OP i. : It was the original big lie. The conservative brain believes America is a country club for members only. It's the true elitist mindset. What it is really, is a load of horse shit, not based at all in reality. Like everything else they believe. skwsN 230204 Vfbttt00001

iii. NotfooledbyW x to fbttt00001 : The Greatest Story Ever Told” explores the theme of redemption, emphasizing the transformative power of faith and forgiveness.
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The “Greatest Story Ever Told” has hatched the biggest lie and distortion of history ever told which Speaker m.Johnson believes to the fullest extent possible that America was founded as a “Christian Nation”.

We must find a way to preserve the rational reality of “America’s Civil Religion” that was miraculously created by our founding generation’s Adams, Madison and Jefferson and has made America Great from the very start. Those of us who know what ACR is supposed to be, need to clean it up before its too late and we lose what our founding generation expected us to value and preserve - FREEDOM OF CONSCIENCE and individual liberty that comes with having a rational mind and responsibility to use it and a soul.

I was born with an American soul bred through the lives of Jefferson Madison and Thomas Paine / Payne. I will not concede to irrational Speaker Mike Johnson and the cult Republican Party’s BIG and subsequent follow through big and little lies. NEVER. nfbw 250105 Vmjtdo10
 
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The OP hates America, and he'll take any opportunity he can find to take a shot at it's culture. You will never see him go after Islam or it's followers no matter what they may do, but if he can take a shot at Christians or their religion, he'll do it in a heartbeat.

^^ funny how a prayer about Jesus makes demons manifest.

Pathetic.

So to deny Jefferson said this prayer the democrat mass media machine uses one of their people who works at Monticello?

House speaker Mike Johnson is a liar.

Christians. should not lie.


Don Trump is a liar and convicted felon.

Trump is an example of what Christianity is not supposed to be.

The positive from Mike Johnson’ big lie that America was founded as a Christian nation is that it was not in. any way found it as a Christian nation. Mike Johnson is contributing to the eventual demise of the Republican Party and it’s big white Christian nation lie.

President-elect Donald Trump will face resistance every step of the way in his plan to reshape America in his image, just as he did last time, Lincoln Project co-founder Rick Wilson told Salon's Chauncey DeVega — and just as important, he will be his own demise.​

This comes as Trump's unified GOP government is already fraying at the edges before it has fully taken power in D.C., with House and Senate Republicans bickering with each other and Trump already triggering outrage for his praise of a far-right lawyer charged with felonies in multiple states for trying to overthrow the 2020 presidential election.​

skews13 OP i quoted p.Rosenberg. : With Bush departing in disgrace after the landslide election of Barack Obama, it was time for another reboot, and another alliteration:

"Compassionate conservatism" was out; "constitutional conservatism" was in. But no one was quite sure what that meant. There were at least three broad camps who advanced that terminology around 2009 and 2010: "Burkean" intellectuals, Tea Party insurrectionists and the conservative movement leaders who produced a manifesto, "The Mount Vernon Statement: Constitutional Conservatism: A Statement for the 21st Century."

The label also resonated with three other overlapping constituencies who had long been fixated on the Constitution: Christian nationalists, with their specious claims that America was founded as a Christian nation; the "originalist" judicial activists of the conservative legal movement who claimed to channel the innermost thoughts of the founding fathers; and an assortment of conspiracy-minded right-wing populists, typified by longtime congressman and two-time GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul. His followers claimed to be the only true constitutionalists, feeding into such phenomena as the "constitutional sheriffs" movement, which proposes that county sheriffs are the only legitimate elected officials or law enforcement officers. The tensions within and between these competing versions of constitutional conservatism ultimately brought us Donald Trump's presidency — and then his attempted coup in 2021.
 
iduvv. The Duke dcccxlii to OP 1. : Without God, there is no standard of right or wrong. He set the foundation for morality.

Anybody that claims it's anything else is just grasping at straws.

Man is inherently flawed and cannot be relied upon to judge right from wrong/good from evil without a guide.

Atheists still use God's standard of morality whether they admit it or not. There's only 1 standard. thvdvkv 240308 Sahnbf00842


You judge Don Trump can be relied upon to judge right from wrong after he tried to disenfranchise 81 million voters in 2021 exactly one year ago today.

You’re interpretation of God should not be respected by any law abiding American citizen.
 
So, by now most people have read or heard about how Mike Johnson, in his remarks after barely eking out a victory to continue his tenure as Speaker of the House in the 119th Congress, attributed a very Christian prayer, in Jesus’ name, to Thomas Jefferson.

A whole bunch of news outlets have reported that this prayer was never uttered by Jefferson, citing a page on the Monticello website that says it has “no evidence that this prayer was written or delivered by Thomas Jefferson.”

But that’s only half the story. Johnson didn’t just quote this prayer and attribute it to Jefferson; he turned a decades-old bit of Christian nationalist history revisionism into a whole new lie — claiming that Jefferson not only wrote this prayer, as in the traditional Christian nationalist lie about it, but that Jefferson recited it every day throughout his presidency and the rest of his life!

So, let’s start with the traditional version of this Jefferson prayer lie, which I wrote about in my 2006 book Liars For Jesus: The Religious Right's Alternate Version of American History, Vol. 1.

The traditional version of the lie is that Jefferson said this prayer on March 4, 1805, the date of his second inauguration.

While this Jefferson prayer lie can be found in many Christian nationalist books, I cited the version from William Federer’s 1999 book America’s God and Country Encyclopedia of Quotations, a book chock-full of fake quotes and other revisionist history frequently used by Christian nationalist legislators, who repeat these fake quotes and pieces of bogus history without even checking to see if Federer’s endnotes for them are real.

Who is William Federer? Well, he’s a Senior Fellow at the D. James Kennedy Center for Christian Statesmanship, a Capitol Hill-based Christian nationalist organization whose goal is “to raise up the next generation of Christian Statesmen to serve in the mission field of government and public policy.” (emphasis added)


That's what white christian nationalists do. Lie.

Liars for Jesus. Just love the name of that book.
Given his insane religious fetishes, it's not a surprise that his attachment to truth to reality is tenuous, at best.
 
Why do lefties have to lie about the founding fathers? They like to pretend they were all a bunch of atheists and not Christians.
Why do white nationalist Christian dumbfucks have to lie about them? That's the topic.

If the topic is too much for your delicate sensibilities to handle, take your binky and your woobie and go to another thread.
 
There is another thread on this.

Why do Lefties fret about inconsequential mis-statements and honest differences of opinion, calling them "LIES!" but never have any issues with the entire White House staff and half the MSM claiming that not only was Biden fully "present" but capable of another four years. That there is a LIE, motherfuckers. Who gives a shit whether Jefferson ever even heard that prayer?

Certainly no heathen Lefties.
Why do you enjoy being lied to?
 
House speaker Mike Johnson is a liar.

Christians. should not lie.


Don Trump is a liar and convicted felon.

Trump is an example of what Christianity is not supposed to be.

The positive from Mike Johnson’ big lie that America was founded as a Christian nation is that it was not in. any way found it as a Christian nation. Mike Johnson is contributing to the eventual demise of the Republican Party and it’s big white Christian nation lie.

President-elect Donald Trump will face resistance every step of the way in his plan to reshape America in his image, just as he did last time, Lincoln Project co-founder Rick Wilson told Salon's Chauncey DeVega — and just as important, he will be his own demise.​

This comes as Trump's unified GOP government is already fraying at the edges before it has fully taken power in D.C., with House and Senate Republicans bickering with each other and Trump already triggering outrage for his praise of a far-right lawyer charged with felonies in multiple states for trying to overthrow the 2020 presidential election.​

skews13 OP i quoted p.Rosenberg. : With Bush departing in disgrace after the landslide election of Barack Obama, it was time for another reboot, and another alliteration:

"Compassionate conservatism" was out; "constitutional conservatism" was in. But no one was quite sure what that meant. There were at least three broad camps who advanced that terminology around 2009 and 2010: "Burkean" intellectuals, Tea Party insurrectionists and the conservative movement leaders who produced a manifesto, "The Mount Vernon Statement: Constitutional Conservatism: A Statement for the 21st Century."

The label also resonated with three other overlapping constituencies who had long been fixated on the Constitution: Christian nationalists, with their specious claims that America was founded as a Christian nation; the "originalist" judicial activists of the conservative legal movement who claimed to channel the innermost thoughts of the founding fathers; and an assortment of conspiracy-minded right-wing populists, typified by longtime congressman and two-time GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul. His followers claimed to be the only true constitutionalists, feeding into such phenomena as the "constitutional sheriffs" movement, which proposes that county sheriffs are the only legitimate elected officials or law enforcement officers. The tensions within and between these competing versions of constitutional conservatism ultimately brought us Donald Trump's presidency — and then his attempted coup in 2021.

Speaking of Rick Wilson......... :abgg2q.jpg:

 
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000 17. I do not believe Republicans can read enough to ever know any truth about anything. I read writers who I do not agree with such sad the following “Catholic” professor of history.

Donald J D’Elia was professor of history at The State University of New York at New Paltz. The author and co-author of many books on American history, Dr. D’Elia’s Dr. Benjamin Rush: Philosopher of the American Revolution, published by the American Philosophical Society in 1974, is a standard in the field of American Revolution scholarship. The book was described as “magnificent” in the Journal of the American Medical Association and was cited for its importance by the Institute for Early American History and Culture in its “Bicentennial Bibliography of the American Revolution” (1976). The Library of the History of Ideas has selected his work as among the “best of the essays on the American Enlightenment” to have appeared in the prestigious Journal of the History of Ideas. He is the author of The Catholic As Historian, and Spirits Of ’76: Catholic Inquiryamong other works. Dr. D’Elia was cited by Governor Mario Cuomo in 1984, for his “many years of dedicated service to the humanities.” He is listed in Marquis “Who’s Who in America” (East), “Who’s Who Among Italian Americans,” “American Catholic Who’s Who,” and other reference works. Don D’Elia was active with the Society of Catholic Social Scientists and was a member of the Advisory Board of the Catholic Education Resource Center.​
October 23, 2000​

Among the Founding Fathers of the American nation there appears to be none more deserving of the title of modern man than the Virginian, Thomas Jefferson, author of the Declaration of Independence and third President of the United States.​
the bane and ruin of the Christian church, its own fatal invention, which, through so many ages, made of Christendom a slaughter-house, and at this day divides it into casts of inextinguishable hatred to one another.” 43 Ibid.; TJ to Thomas Whittemore, June 5, 1822, ibid., p. 158.​
I have never “pretended” Jefferson was an atheist. There were no a fees that I’ve ever read about and involved in the American Revolution and founding of America..

i. theHawk vii. : Why do lefties have to lie about the founding fathers? They like to pretend they were all a bunch of atheists and not Christians. thvhvwk 240105 Smjtdo00007

ii. NotfooledbyW xvii to 7. : Jefferson was a rational theist. He was not a Christian. Jefferson did not believe in any of the spirituality of Jesus Christ.. he did not believe in original sin the Virgin birth, or that he arose from the dead.. Jesus was a normal human being to Thomas Jefferson.

You Saint Thehawk can always read Jefferson’s actual writing to verify the truth in the above paragraph, and you do not need to take a “leftist’s” word for it.

Here is a devout Catholic’s view of Thomas Jefferson’s opposition to Catholicism and Christianity in general;

iii. Donald J D’Elia. Saving America
Library : The Relevance of Thomas Jefferson. Jefferson did not relent in his crusade against Platonizing Christians even in the final years of his life. Indeed, his founding of the University of Virginia, in 1819, was conceived as a means of promoting his Enlightenment philosophy of reason and science against the forces of reaction. These were being led by the old enemies of Jefferson and the rights of man, the Presbyterians, the Jesuits, and other Platonized followers of that "fanatic Athanasius", who opposed "freedom of religious opinion and its external divorce from the civil authority."42 Their creeds and formulas, their "hocus-pocus phantasm of a God like another Cerberus, with one body and three heads" were "the bane and ruin of the Christian church, its own fatal invention, which, through so many ages, made of Christendom a slaughter-house, and at this day divides it into casts of inextinguishable hatred to one another."43

America must be saved from "the fire and faggots of Calvin and his victim Servetus". And it would be saved, Jefferson was certain, by that very materialistic and anti-trinitarian doctrine for which Servetus was martyred, Unitarianism. "The diffusion of instruction, to which there is now so growing an attention," he confided to his friend, Thomas Cooper, his choice for a professorship at the University of Virginia, "will be the remote remedy to this fever of fanaticism; while the more proximate one will be the progress of Unitarianism. That this will, ere long, be the religion of the majority from north to south, I have no doubt."44

It was, apparently, with these views that Thomas Jefferson, the third President of the United States, went to his death on July 4, 1826, the fiftieth anniversary of the Declaration of Independence. We have no evidence that he ever thought otherwise. Just before he died, he composed his epitaph, listing his authorship of the Declaration, of the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, and his founding of the University of Virginia as his greatest achievements. His nephew, Thomas Jefferson Randolph, said that the eighty-seven year old patriot had nothing to confess on his death bed.45 Dr. Robley Dunglinson, Jefferson's friend and attending physician, testified, after his patient's death, that he had "never heard an observation that savored, in the slightest degree, of impiety."46

Yet, Jefferson's false principles in philosophy and religion, which are essentially those of "modern man" in today's consenting-adult society, and his private scurrilities, must be an affront to real Christians. This truth is beyond opinion, despite Jefferson's transparent sincerity. The man who had "sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man"47 was himself the victim of the most dangerous tyranny of all: ignorance of the Word of God. For Jefferson could not, and modern Americans cannot, declare themselves independent of God's truth.

-Notes-
1 Thomas Jefferson's Autobiography in H.A. Washington (ed.), Writings of Thomas Jefferson (9 v., Washington, D.C., 1853) I .2. Hereafter cited as Writings.

2 Ibid.; Jefferson to Mr. Louis H. Girardin, Jan. 15, 1815, Ibid., VI: 411. Thomas Jefferson hereafter cited as TJ.

3 See Father Michael J. Mahony's brilliant analysis of the History of Modern Thought; the English, Irish and Scotch Schools (New York: Fordham University Press, 1933), esp. pp. 11, 76. An earlier work of genius is Jacques Maritain, Three Reformers: Lather, Descartes, Rousseau (New York: Thomas Y. Crowell Co., 1970).

4 Writings I:2.

5 TJ to Benjamin Rush, Jan. 16, 1811, WritingsV:599. See D.J. D'Elia, "Jefferson, Rush, and the Limits of Philosophical Friendship" in Proceedings of the American Philosophical Society, 117 (October 1973): pp. 333-343.

6 Frederick Copleston, S.J., A History of Philosophy (8 v., Westminster, Md.: The Newman Press) V: 127. 139; Russel Kirk (ed.), John Locke, An Essay Concerning Human Understanding (Chicago, Ill.: Henry Regnery, 1956), preface, pp. v-xii. See TJ to Thomas Law, June 13, 1814, Saul K. Padover (ed.), The Complete Jefferson; Containing His Major Writings, Published and Unpublished, Except His Letters (Freeport, New York: Books for Libraries Press, 1969) p. 1034.

7 Idem., Thomas Jefferson and the Foundations of American Freedom(Princeton, N.J.: D. Van Nostrand Co., 1965), p.85.

8 Copleston. p. 138.

9 TJ to Edward Dowse, April 19. 1803, in Norman Cousins (ed.), In God We Trust: The Religious Beliefs and Ideas of the American Founding Fathers (New York: Harper & Brothers, 1958), p.167. This includes a useful collection of Jefferson's writings on religion.

10 TJ to Samuel Miller, Jan. 23. 1808, ibid., p. 137.

11 TJ to John Adams, Aug. 22. 1813, ibid., p. 237.

12 Henry S. Randall, The Life of Thomas Jefferson (3 v.. New York, 1858) III: p.672, cited in George H. Knowles' helpful but uncritical "The Religious Ideas of Thomas Jefferson" in Mississippi Valley Historical Review, 30 (Sept. 1943): pp. 187-204.

13 Mahony, p. 159.

14 See Stephen D. Schwarz, "Who's to Judge? A Reply to Ethical Relativism" in Faith & ReasonII,1 (Spring 1976),42.

15 John 8:32; and Christopher Derrick's commentary on this verse at the Manhattan Institute Conference, March 18-20, 1977.

16 Cousins, p.129.

17 Padover, The Complete Jefferson, p.675.

18 TJ to Mrs. Samuel H. Smith. Aug. 6, 1816, ibid., p.955.

19 Padover, Thomas Jefferson, p.40.

20 Cousins, p. 125. Also see TJ's "Notes on Religion" in Padover, The Complete Jefferson,pp. 937-946.

21 The Reasonableness of Christianity, edited by I.T. Ramsey (Stanford: Stanford University Press. 1974), pp. 60-1, et passim.

22 TJ to William Short. Oct. 31, 1819, Cousins, p. 149, et passim.

23 August 15, 1820, ibid., p. 286.

24 August 10, 1787, ibid., p. 128.

25 TJ to Benjamin Rush, April 21, 1805, ibid., p. 168.

26 TJ to Isaac Story, December 5, 1801, ibid., p. 133.

27 TJ to Jared Sparks, November 4, 1820, ibid., p. 156.

28 TJ to Timothy Pickering, February 27, 1821, ibid., p. 157.

29 Ibid.

30 TJ to Benjamin Rush, April 21, 1803, ibid., p. 168.

31 "Syllabus", ibid., pp. 170-71.

32 TJ to William Short, April 13, 1820, ibid., p. 150. Jefferson's principal theological authority for these and other ideas seems to have been Dr. Joseph Priestly (1733-1804), renowned chemist and Unitarian thinker, whose Socrates and Jesus Compared appeared in 1803 and whose The Doctrines of Heathen Philosophy Compared with Those of Revelation (1804) was written at the suggestion of Jefferson, John F, Fulton, "Joseph Priestly" in Dictionary of American Biography VIII: 223-226.

33 TJ to William Short, October 31, 1819, Cousins, p. 149.

34 TJ to John Adams, Oct. 13, 1813, ibid., p. 242.

35 TJ to John Adams, Aug. 15. 1820. ibid., p. 286; TJ to Thomas Cooper. Aug. 14, 1820, ibid., p. 132.

36 TJ to John Adams, Aug. 15, 1820, ibid., p.286.

37 Ibid.

38 D'Elia, "Jefferson, Rush . . .", pp. 340-42. Important too in TJ's thinking at this time was the Scottish "Common Sense" philosopher. Dugald Stewart (1753-1828), see Adrienne Koch, The Philosophy of Thomas Jefferson(Chicago, 1964), et passim.

39 TJ to John Adams, Oct. 13. 1813, Cousins, p. 242.

40 Ibid. p. 243.

41 "The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth", ibid., p. 216.

42 TJ to James Smith, Dec. 8, 1822, ibid., p. 159.

43 Ibid.; TJ to Thomas Whittemore, June 5, 1822, ibid., p. 158.

44 TJ to Thomas Cooper, Nov. 2, 1822, pp. 163-164; TJ to Benjamin Waterhouse. July 19, 1822, Ibid., p. 162. And TJ to John Adams. April II, 1823, ibid., p. 289: "I can never join Calvin in addressing his God. He was indeed an atheist, which I can never be; or rather his religion was daemonism. If ever man worshipped a false God, he did. The being described in five points, is not the God whom you and I acknowledge and adore, the creator and benevolent governor of the world; but a daemon of malignant spirit. It would be more pardonable to believe in no God at all than to blaspheme him by the atrocious attributes of Calvin."

45 Knowles, "The Religious Ideas . . .", pp. 203-204.

46 Ibid.

47 TJ to Benjamin Rush, Sept. 23, 1800, Writings IV: p. 336.

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iduvv. The Duke dcccxlii to OP 1. : Without God, there is no standard of right or wrong. He set the foundation for morality.

Anybody that claims it's anything else is just grasping at straws.

Man is inherently flawed and cannot be relied upon to judge right from wrong/good from evil without a guide.

Atheists still use God's standard of morality whether they admit it or not. There's only 1 standard. thvdvkv 240308 Sahnbf00842


You judge Don Trump can be relied upon to judge right from wrong after he tried to disenfranchise 81 million voters in 2021 exactly one year ago today.

You’re interpretation of God should not be respected by any law abiding American citizen.
Abortion supporters, defenders of chattel slavery, and transgenderism/pedo enablers shouldn’t be lecturing anyone about morality.
 
. he did not believe in original sin the Virgin birth, or that he arose from the dead.. Jesus was a normal human being to Thomas Jefferson.

You Saint Thehawk can always read Jefferson’s actual writing to verify the truth in the above paragraph, and you do not need to take a “leftist’s” word for it
We all know Jefferson wasn’t a real Christian. He was an adulterer who impregnated his slave. This is the great “hero” of the Democrat Party.

It doesn’t mean he didn’t recognize how important Christian values were for the nation or that he never read a Christian prayer out loud.

So shut up and move on.
 
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