Mexicans and Zionists

[DGS49]

With the recent plague of unwanted and mainly illegal immigrants from Mexico coming into the U.S., I think it may be instructive to compare this phenomenon with the influx of Zionists to the “Holy Land*” over the past 150 years.

As a host country, there are only a few things one expects (or demand) of immigrants. They should come in legally – whether as documented immigrants or authorized guest workers – obey the law when they get here, assimilate, and become “productive citizens” as quickly as possible, rather than being a drain on public resources.

If all Mexicans coming into this country followed those guidelines, they – like other immigrant groups who preceded them – would quickly become yet another demographic asset to the total American society.

Now for contrast, consider the Zionists’ emigration to the Holy Land.

They went there with no intention of assimilating. They obeyed the laws grudgingly, manipulating them to their advantage when possible, particularly in the area of land titles and deeds, which were rarely used before their arrival. Their intention from the beginning was not only to forge a new State, but to drive out as many of the original inhabitants as possible, and for those they couldn’t drive out, to relegate the remaining Arab populations to less-than-second-class “citizen” status. Indeed, the indigenous population was (and is still) treated in Israel in a manner that is not unlike the black Africans were treated during the “apartheid” period in South Africa. There is essentially no mixing of Arab and Israeli in Israel, except to the extent that Arabs act as domestic servants and menial workers in the Israeli society.

The Zionists challenged the legitimacy of the existing government, referring to it as nothing more than an inconsequential outpost of the Ottoman Empire, and claimed not only a “right” to form their new State, but a “right” to designate it as a “jewish” state, formed solely for the benefit of the jewish people of the world (who chose to move there). These rights are, basically, based on an archaeologically-questionable history dating back thousands of years, and promises supposedly made to them by their “god.” These rights rather conspicuously ignore the most recent 1500 years, when Arab Muslims predominated and ruled. If you made this up, nobody would believe you.

Again and again, they have embarked on campaigns of ethnic cleansing and genocide, seeking to kill or remove or drive out all of the Arabs they could, destroying property (homes, schools, mosques, hospitals, etc), infrastructure, and then building roads, whole towns, and structures in place of those that they destroyed. Time after time, they have attacked their neighbors without legitimate cause, claiming in each case that they were merely defending themselves from attacks by Egypt and others. Both Israel and most of the rest of the world have adopted the rewritten history of these mythical acts of aggression against the jewish state.

In 1948, largely driven by sympathy for the “Holocaust,” the U.N. proposed partitioning the Holy Land into two separate states: a jewish state comprising 80% of the territory in question (for the 25% of the population that was “Israeli”), and 20% of the territory for the 75% of the population that was Arab. And the still-surviving Israeli myth is that the Arabs “unreasonably” refused this arrangement. Incredible, isn’t it?

Since then, they have attempted to make impossible the ultimate creation of an “Arab state” by populating and placing settlements and infrastructure in large swaths of the territory supposedly set aside for the Arab state, leaving only territory that no rational person would want, in a broken up joke of a territory with no rational borders. Israel has in fact taken over all of the usable terrirory( except Gaza) where the Arab state could even hope to exist.

The Israeli state has a long list of demands for the ultimate resolution of the “issues.” Most perversely, there must be a perpetual “right of return” for anyone in the world having or claiming jewish lineage from thousands of years ago, while the topic of a “right of return” for the Arabs they have criminally driven out – the actual PEOPLE, not their descendants - of the territory is “off the table.” Again, you couldn’t make this up.

It is demanded that the leaders of the exiled Arab population acknowledge not only Israel’s “right to exist,” but its right to exist AS A JEWISH NATION, as a pre-condition to any settlement. Thus, the displaced Arabs could never hope to return as citizens. Really? Where does that “right” originate? In the U.N. charter? The Torah? Certainly not the Quran. What other country demands a right to exclude from government and even citizenship the rights and very existence of the people who actually came from that place? It is preposterous.

Israel claims to be a “democracy,” which is only arguably true if you DO NOT COUNT the millions of people who have been driven away by the Israeli’s, and are not permitted to live there or vote.

Getting back to our Mexican “problem,” many of us know that much of the territory that now comprises Arizona, New Mexico, California, Oregon, and Washington was once part of Mexico. What if our current Mexican immigrants proposed creating a new country in that territory, driving out as many as possible of those Anglo’s and “Negro’s” who live there now, and relegating the remaining ones to second-class citizenship? And what if they demanded a right for any Mexicans who chose to, to come to the new country (“Aztlán”) and be accepted immediately as citizens, while basically barring the return of anyone who had been driven out?

I would personally be fine with that, but most Americans would object. Certainly the people living in California would have a problem with it.

The current crisis in Gaza is just the latest manifestation of the refusal of those damned “Palestinians” to accept the oppression and crumbs from the Israeli’s table and BE SATISFIED WITH IT.

Why can’t they just be reasonable and stop fighting Israel? It’s a real mystery.

* I use the expression, “Holy Land” to avoid any distraction arguing about whether it is Israel, Palestine, Samaria, or whatever else it may be called.

 

[MJB12741]

FUNNY! FUNNY! FUNNY! Bless you for giving us something to laugh at during these troubled times of radical Islamists killing us infidels all over the world. Talk about Palestinian mentality, READ THIS FOLKS.

With the recent plague of unwanted and mainly illegal immigrants from Mexico coming into the U.S., I think it may be instructive to compare this phenomenon with the influx of Zionists to the “Holy Land*” over the past 150 years.

As a host country, there are only a few things one expects (or demand) of immigrants. They should come in legally – whether as documented immigrants or authorized guest workers – obey the law when they get here, assimilate, and become “productive citizens” as quickly as possible, rather than being a drain on public resources.

If all Mexicans coming into this country followed those guidelines, they – like other immigrant groups who preceded them – would quickly become yet another demographic asset to the total American society.

Now for contrast, consider the Zionists’ emigration to the Holy Land.

They went there with no intention of assimilating. They obeyed the laws grudgingly, manipulating them to their advantage when possible, particularly in the area of land titles and deeds, which were rarely used before their arrival. Their intention from the beginning was not only to forge a new State, but to drive out as many of the original inhabitants as possible, and for those they couldn’t drive out, to relegate the remaining Arab populations to less-than-second-class “citizen” status. Indeed, the indigenous population was (and is still) treated in Israel in a manner that is not unlike the black Africans were treated during the “apartheid” period in South Africa. There is essentially no mixing of Arab and Israeli in Israel, except to the extent that Arabs act as domestic servants and menial workers in the Israeli society.

The Zionists challenged the legitimacy of the existing government, referring to it as nothing more than an inconsequential outpost of the Ottoman Empire, and claimed not only a “right” to form their new State, but a “right” to designate it as a “jewish” state, formed solely for the benefit of the jewish people of the world (who chose to move there). These rights are, basically, based on an archaeologically-questionable history dating back thousands of years, and promises supposedly made to them by their “god.” These rights rather conspicuously ignore the most recent 1500 years, when Arab Muslims predominated and ruled. If you made this up, nobody would believe you.

Again and again, they have embarked on campaigns of ethnic cleansing and genocide, seeking to kill or remove or drive out all of the Arabs they could, destroying property (homes, schools, mosques, hospitals, etc), infrastructure, and then building roads, whole towns, and structures in place of those that they destroyed. Time after time, they have attacked their neighbors without legitimate cause, claiming in each case that they were merely defending themselves from attacks by Egypt and others. Both Israel and most of the rest of the world have adopted the rewritten history of these mythical acts of aggression against the jewish state.

In 1948, largely driven by sympathy for the “Holocaust,” the U.N. proposed partitioning the Holy Land into two separate states: a jewish state comprising 80% of the territory in question (for the 25% of the population that was “Israeli”), and 20% of the territory for the 75% of the population that was Arab. And the still-surviving Israeli myth is that the Arabs “unreasonably” refused this arrangement. Incredible, isn’t it?

Since then, they have attempted to make impossible the ultimate creation of an “Arab state” by populating and placing settlements and infrastructure in large swaths of the territory supposedly set aside for the Arab state, leaving only territory that no rational person would want, in a broken up joke of a territory with no rational borders. Israel has in fact taken over all of the usable terrirory( except Gaza) where the Arab state could even hope to exist.

The Israeli state has a long list of demands for the ultimate resolution of the “issues.” Most perversely, there must be a perpetual “right of return” for anyone in the world having or claiming jewish lineage from thousands of years ago, while the topic of a “right of return” for the Arabs they have criminally driven out – the actual PEOPLE, not their descendants - of the territory is “off the table.” Again, you couldn’t make this up.

It is demanded that the leaders of the exiled Arab population acknowledge not only Israel’s “right to exist,” but its right to exist AS A JEWISH NATION, as a pre-condition to any settlement. Thus, the displaced Arabs could never hope to return as citizens. Really? Where does that “right” originate? In the U.N. charter? The Torah? Certainly not the Quran. What other country demands a right to exclude from government and even citizenship the rights and very existence of the people who actually came from that place? It is preposterous.

Israel claims to be a “democracy,” which is only arguably true if you DO NOT COUNT the millions of people who have been driven away by the Israeli’s, and are not permitted to live there or vote.

Getting back to our Mexican “problem,” many of us know that much of the territory that now comprises Arizona, New Mexico, California, Oregon, and Washington was once part of Mexico. What if our current Mexican immigrants proposed creating a new country in that territory, driving out as many as possible of those Anglo’s and “Negro’s” who live there now, and relegating the remaining ones to second-class citizenship? And what if they demanded a right for any Mexicans who chose to, to come to the new country (“Aztlán”) and be accepted immediately as citizens, while basically barring the return of anyone who had been driven out?

I would personally be fine with that, but most Americans would object. Certainly the people living in California would have a problem with it.

The current crisis in Gaza is just the latest manifestation of the refusal of those damned “Palestinians” to accept the oppression and crumbs from the Israeli’s table and BE SATISFIED WITH IT.

Why can’t they just be reasonable and stop fighting Israel? It’s a real mystery.

* I use the expression, “Holy Land” to avoid any distraction arguing about whether it is Israel, Palestine, Samaria, or whatever else it may be called.

 

[Moonglow]

The same could be said of the Monroe Doctrine white protestant pride movement in Early US History...

 

[ForeverYoung436]

With the recent plague of unwanted and mainly illegal immigrants from Mexico coming into the U.S., I think it may be instructive to compare this phenomenon with the influx of Zionists to the “Holy Land*” over the past 150 years.

As a host country, there are only a few things one expects (or demand) of immigrants. They should come in legally – whether as documented immigrants or authorized guest workers – obey the law when they get here, assimilate, and become “productive citizens” as quickly as possible, rather than being a drain on public resources.

If all Mexicans coming into this country followed those guidelines, they – like other immigrant groups who preceded them – would quickly become yet another demographic asset to the total American society.

Now for contrast, consider the Zionists’ emigration to the Holy Land.

They went there with no intention of assimilating. They obeyed the laws grudgingly, manipulating them to their advantage when possible, particularly in the area of land titles and deeds, which were rarely used before their arrival. Their intention from the beginning was not only to forge a new State, but to drive out as many of the original inhabitants as possible, and for those they couldn’t drive out, to relegate the remaining Arab populations to less-than-second-class “citizen” status. Indeed, the indigenous population was (and is still) treated in Israel in a manner that is not unlike the black Africans were treated during the “apartheid” period in South Africa. There is essentially no mixing of Arab and Israeli in Israel, except to the extent that Arabs act as domestic servants and menial workers in the Israeli society.

The Zionists challenged the legitimacy of the existing government, referring to it as nothing more than an inconsequential outpost of the Ottoman Empire, and claimed not only a “right” to form their new State, but a “right” to designate it as a “jewish” state, formed solely for the benefit of the jewish people of the world (who chose to move there). These rights are, basically, based on an archaeologically-questionable history dating back thousands of years, and promises supposedly made to them by their “god.” These rights rather conspicuously ignore the most recent 1500 years, when Arab Muslims predominated and ruled. If you made this up, nobody would believe you.

Again and again, they have embarked on campaigns of ethnic cleansing and genocide, seeking to kill or remove or drive out all of the Arabs they could, destroying property (homes, schools, mosques, hospitals, etc), infrastructure, and then building roads, whole towns, and structures in place of those that they destroyed. Time after time, they have attacked their neighbors without legitimate cause, claiming in each case that they were merely defending themselves from attacks by Egypt and others. Both Israel and most of the rest of the world have adopted the rewritten history of these mythical acts of aggression against the jewish state.

In 1948, largely driven by sympathy for the “Holocaust,” the U.N. proposed partitioning the Holy Land into two separate states: a jewish state comprising 80% of the territory in question (for the 25% of the population that was “Israeli”), and 20% of the territory for the 75% of the population that was Arab. And the still-surviving Israeli myth is that the Arabs “unreasonably” refused this arrangement. Incredible, isn’t it?

Since then, they have attempted to make impossible the ultimate creation of an “Arab state” by populating and placing settlements and infrastructure in large swaths of the territory supposedly set aside for the Arab state, leaving only territory that no rational person would want, in a broken up joke of a territory with no rational borders. Israel has in fact taken over all of the usable terrirory( except Gaza) where the Arab state could even hope to exist.

The Israeli state has a long list of demands for the ultimate resolution of the “issues.” Most perversely, there must be a perpetual “right of return” for anyone in the world having or claiming jewish lineage from thousands of years ago, while the topic of a “right of return” for the Arabs they have criminally driven out – the actual PEOPLE, not their descendants - of the territory is “off the table.” Again, you couldn’t make this up.

It is demanded that the leaders of the exiled Arab population acknowledge not only Israel’s “right to exist,” but its right to exist AS A JEWISH NATION, as a pre-condition to any settlement. Thus, the displaced Arabs could never hope to return as citizens. Really? Where does that “right” originate? In the U.N. charter? The Torah? Certainly not the Quran. What other country demands a right to exclude from government and even citizenship the rights and very existence of the people who actually came from that place? It is preposterous.

Israel claims to be a “democracy,” which is only arguably true if you DO NOT COUNT the millions of people who have been driven away by the Israeli’s, and are not permitted to live there or vote.

Getting back to our Mexican “problem,” many of us know that much of the territory that now comprises Arizona, New Mexico, California, Oregon, and Washington was once part of Mexico. What if our current Mexican immigrants proposed creating a new country in that territory, driving out as many as possible of those Anglo’s and “Negro’s” who live there now, and relegating the remaining ones to second-class citizenship? And what if they demanded a right for any Mexicans who chose to, to come to the new country (“Aztlán”) and be accepted immediately as citizens, while basically barring the return of anyone who had been driven out?

I would personally be fine with that, but most Americans would object. Certainly the people living in California would have a problem with it.

The current crisis in Gaza is just the latest manifestation of the refusal of those damned “Palestinians” to accept the oppression and crumbs from the Israeli’s table and BE SATISFIED WITH IT.

Why can’t they just be reasonable and stop fighting Israel? It’s a real mystery.

* I use the expression, “Holy Land” to avoid any distraction arguing about whether it is Israel, Palestine, Samaria, or whatever else it may be called.

1) Anyone who has ever been to Israel proper knows that Arabs there aren't only menial workers but are also doctors, nurses, Univerity students and Members of Knesset.

2) The immigrant Jews were very productive members of society. They drained the swamps, worked the land and built cities.

3) Jews didn't only immigrate to Israel because it was promised to them by G-d. They also came because for 2,000 years they were subjected to pogroms, blood libels, crusades, inquisitions, massacres, expulsions and the Holocaust. They needed one country on Earth to truly call their own in every respect. Plus, they had a deep historical, ancestral and yes, Biblical connection to Israel.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

I'm not just talking theoretically here. My dad's family was wiped out in the Holocaust. My mom and her family were driven out of Russia. They applied for visas to America but couldn't get them. The only place they could go to was Israel.

 

[Phoenall]

With the recent plague of unwanted and mainly illegal immigrants from Mexico coming into the U.S., I think it may be instructive to compare this phenomenon with the influx of Zionists to the “Holy Land*” over the past 150 years.

As a host country, there are only a few things one expects (or demand) of immigrants. They should come in legally – whether as documented immigrants or authorized guest workers – obey the law when they get here, assimilate, and become “productive citizens” as quickly as possible, rather than being a drain on public resources.

If all Mexicans coming into this country followed those guidelines, they – like other immigrant groups who preceded them – would quickly become yet another demographic asset to the total American society.

Now for contrast, consider the Zionists’ emigration to the Holy Land.

They went there with no intention of assimilating. They obeyed the laws grudgingly, manipulating them to their advantage when possible, particularly in the area of land titles and deeds, which were rarely used before their arrival. Their intention from the beginning was not only to forge a new State, but to drive out as many of the original inhabitants as possible, and for those they couldn’t drive out, to relegate the remaining Arab populations to less-than-second-class “citizen” status. Indeed, the indigenous population was (and is still) treated in Israel in a manner that is not unlike the black Africans were treated during the “apartheid” period in South Africa. There is essentially no mixing of Arab and Israeli in Israel, except to the extent that Arabs act as domestic servants and menial workers in the Israeli society.

The Zionists challenged the legitimacy of the existing government, referring to it as nothing more than an inconsequential outpost of the Ottoman Empire, and claimed not only a “right” to form their new State, but a “right” to designate it as a “jewish” state, formed solely for the benefit of the jewish people of the world (who chose to move there). These rights are, basically, based on an archaeologically-questionable history dating back thousands of years, and promises supposedly made to them by their “god.” These rights rather conspicuously ignore the most recent 1500 years, when Arab Muslims predominated and ruled. If you made this up, nobody would believe you.

Again and again, they have embarked on campaigns of ethnic cleansing and genocide, seeking to kill or remove or drive out all of the Arabs they could, destroying property (homes, schools, mosques, hospitals, etc), infrastructure, and then building roads, whole towns, and structures in place of those that they destroyed. Time after time, they have attacked their neighbors without legitimate cause, claiming in each case that they were merely defending themselves from attacks by Egypt and others. Both Israel and most of the rest of the world have adopted the rewritten history of these mythical acts of aggression against the jewish state.

In 1948, largely driven by sympathy for the “Holocaust,” the U.N. proposed partitioning the Holy Land into two separate states: a jewish state comprising 80% of the territory in question (for the 25% of the population that was “Israeli”), and 20% of the territory for the 75% of the population that was Arab. And the still-surviving Israeli myth is that the Arabs “unreasonably” refused this arrangement. Incredible, isn’t it?

Since then, they have attempted to make impossible the ultimate creation of an “Arab state” by populating and placing settlements and infrastructure in large swaths of the territory supposedly set aside for the Arab state, leaving only territory that no rational person would want, in a broken up joke of a territory with no rational borders. Israel has in fact taken over all of the usable terrirory( except Gaza) where the Arab state could even hope to exist.

The Israeli state has a long list of demands for the ultimate resolution of the “issues.” Most perversely, there must be a perpetual “right of return” for anyone in the world having or claiming jewish lineage from thousands of years ago, while the topic of a “right of return” for the Arabs they have criminally driven out – the actual PEOPLE, not their descendants - of the territory is “off the table.” Again, you couldn’t make this up.

It is demanded that the leaders of the exiled Arab population acknowledge not only Israel’s “right to exist,” but its right to exist AS A JEWISH NATION, as a pre-condition to any settlement. Thus, the displaced Arabs could never hope to return as citizens. Really? Where does that “right” originate? In the U.N. charter? The Torah? Certainly not the Quran. What other country demands a right to exclude from government and even citizenship the rights and very existence of the people who actually came from that place? It is preposterous.

Israel claims to be a “democracy,” which is only arguably true if you DO NOT COUNT the millions of people who have been driven away by the Israeli’s, and are not permitted to live there or vote.

Getting back to our Mexican “problem,” many of us know that much of the territory that now comprises Arizona, New Mexico, California, Oregon, and Washington was once part of Mexico. What if our current Mexican immigrants proposed creating a new country in that territory, driving out as many as possible of those Anglo’s and “Negro’s” who live there now, and relegating the remaining ones to second-class citizenship? And what if they demanded a right for any Mexicans who chose to, to come to the new country (“Aztlán”) and be accepted immediately as citizens, while basically barring the return of anyone who had been driven out?

I would personally be fine with that, but most Americans would object. Certainly the people living in California would have a problem with it.

The current crisis in Gaza is just the latest manifestation of the refusal of those damned “Palestinians” to accept the oppression and crumbs from the Israeli’s table and BE SATISFIED WITH IT.

Why can’t they just be reasonable and stop fighting Israel? It’s a real mystery.

* I use the expression, “Holy Land” to avoid any distraction arguing about whether it is Israel, Palestine, Samaria, or whatever else it may be called.

1) Anyone who has ever been to Israel proper knows that Arabs there aren't only menial workers but are also doctors, nurses, Univerity students and Members of Knesset.

2) The immigrant Jews were very productive members of society. They drained the swamps, worked the land and built cities.

3) Jews didn't only immigrate to Israel because it was promised to them by G-d. They also came because for 2,000 years they were subjected to pogroms, blood libels, crusades, inquisitions, massacres, expulsions and the Holocaust. They needed one country on Earth to truly call their own in every respect. Plus, they had a deep historical, ancestral and yes, Biblical connection to Israel.

4) The European Zionist Jews were invited to move to Palestine and settle the land by the Ottomans in the period 1845 to 1880, with the right to buy the land and hold title to it. Then in 1919 the LoN the successor land owners also invited the European Jews to migrate to Palestine to resurrect the NATIONAL HOME OF THE JEWS in Palestine. Even though the arab muslims had agreed to this deal as part of the LoN mandate

 

[Phoenall]

I'm not just talking theoretically here. My dad's family was wiped out in the Holocaust. My mom and her family were driven out of Russia. They applied for visas to America but couldn't get them. The only place they could go to was Israel.

Many so called civilised western nations were still ANTISEMITIC after the war, even though they paid lip service to the holocaust and condemned the Germans for all the deaths. In 1945 the British halted all Jewish migration to Palestine and turned away boat loads of Jews fleeing Russia and the anti Semitism still prevalent in Europe. This led to many deaths amongst the Jewish migrants. The same countries are still ANTI SEMITIC to this day, and treat Jews as pariahs unless they have wealth or scientific acumen. Look at the numbers secreted away by the Americans and Russians after WW2 to work on the nuclear and rocket programmes.

 

[Art__Allm]

1) Anyone who has ever been to Israel proper knows that Arabs there aren't only menial workers but are also doctors, nurses, Univerity students and Members of Knesset.

So what?
They are still second class citizens, because Zionists claimed that Israel is a "Jewish state", and that means non-Jewish citizens of Israel are de facto less valuable, than Jews.

If white Christians declared in the USA that America is a "Christian state", then Jews in the USA would also feel like second class Americans, even if some of them were university students or parliament members.

3) Jews didn't only immigrate to Israel because it was promised to them by G-d.

Who cares what the tribal god of Jews allegedly promised to them according to their religious dogmas?

Can a modern enlightened and civilised man ignore the international law because of some stone age religious dogmas?

I think that it is immoral to refer to religious dogmas to justify a crime, like land theft and ethnic cleansing.

They also came because for 2,000 years they were subjected to pogroms, blood libels, crusades, inquisitions, massacres, expulsions and the Holocaust.

Pagans, Christians and Muslims were also subjected (since the spread of different kinds monotheism 2000 years ago to Europe) to pogroms, blood libels, crusades, inquisitions, massacres, expulsions and the genocides, and Jews were the persecutors of Christians and pagans before the Romans decided to accept the Christian variety of Monotheism in the Roman Empire.

Jews and pagan Romans joined forces to persecute the first Christians!!!!

After Roman Rulers decided to become Christians, they started to persecute pagans who suffered more from the persecution, than Jews.

In fact, our European pagan ancestors were more persecuted as any kind of monotheists.

Jews were tolerated in any monotheistic society, be it a Christian or a Muslim society.

Jews were often a privileged class that served the monotheistic rulers.

The Christian serves suffered more in any mediaeval society in Europe, than Jews, but we are only told about the suffering of Jews.
Besides that Jews were very prominent in Slave trade, they sold millions of Christian to Muslims.

The word " Slave" was derived from the word "Slavs", because most Christians, sold onto slavery, were Slavs.
And what about the suffering of Pagans?

Are there still any pagans in Europe, Middle East or North Africa?

No, all pagans had to convert, and who refused to convert was killed!

There was a very effective genocide against pagans, because they were totally annihilated.

But we never hear anything about the suffering of pagans or Christians, sold into slavery by Jews, and always hear about the suffering of Jews, though the population of Ashkenazi Jews grew way faster (despite their alleged persecution) till WWII than the population of Christians in Christian countries.

Does that make any sense?

They needed one country on Earth to truly call their own in every respect.

Well, there was already a Jewish Homeland in Bolshevik Russia, the Birobidzhan region. There was and still is almost no population there, and enough land and water for all Jews in the world.

Besides that Zionists rejected other proposals, like Madagascar, which had almost no native population and enough land and water for all Jews in the world.

Palestine cannot provide water and land for all Jews in the world, even if Zionists kill or expel all native Semites from Palestine. Most Jews do not want to live in the "Jewish homeland", and that debunks the argumentation of Zionists.

Plus, they had a deep historical, ancestral and yes, Biblical connection to Israel.

To talk about "blood connection" to Palestine is just a racists ideology of Zionists.

Yes, Jews have a religious connection to Palestine, but the same is true for Muslims and Christians.

To believe that Jews have a closer racial connection to Palestine is crazy, because Judaism was a proselytizing religion in the Middle Ages.

Many Hebrews became Christians, because Christianity started as a Hebrew sect, and many pagans were forced to convert to Judaism in the Middle Ages, like many Arabs in Yemen, many Khazars in South Russia or Berbers in North Africa.

So Palestinian Christians are more likely to have a blood connection to the Hebrews than European Ashkenazim who stem from Slavs and Khazars and look more like Europeans.

It is immoral and it is an obvious crime what is going on in Palestine that cannot be justified with any excuses!

 

[Roudy]

1) Anyone who has ever been to Israel proper knows that Arabs there aren't only menial workers but are also doctors, nurses, Univerity students and Members of Knesset.

So what?
They are still second class citizens, because Zionists claimed that Israel is a "Jewish state", and that means non-Jewish citizens of Israel are de facto less valuable, than Jews.

If white Christians declared in the USA that America is a "Christian state", then Jews in the USA would also feel like second class Americans, even if some of them were university students or parliament members.

3) Jews didn't only immigrate to Israel because it was promised to them by G-d.

Who cares what the tribal god of Jews allegedly promised to them according to their religious dogmas?

Can a modern enlightened and civilised man ignore the international law because of some stone age religious dogmas?

I think that it is immoral to refer to religious dogmas to justify a crime, like land theft and ethnic cleansing.




Pagans, Christians and Muslims were also subjected (since the spread of different kinds monotheism 2000 years ago to Europe) to pogroms, blood libels, crusades, inquisitions, massacres, expulsions and the genocides, and Jews were the persecutors of Christians and pagans before the Romans decided to accept the Christian variety of Monotheism in the Roman Empire.

Jews and pagan Romans joined forces to persecute the first Christians!!!!

After Roman Rulers decided to become Christians, they started to persecute pagans who suffered more from the persecution, than Jews.

In fact, our European pagan ancestors were more persecuted as any kind of monotheists.

Jews were tolerated in any monotheistic society, be it a Christian or a Muslim society.

Jews were often a privileged class that served the monotheistic rulers.

The Christian serves suffered more in any mediaeval society in Europe, than Jews, but we are only told about the suffering of Jews.
Besides that Jews were very prominent in Slave trade, they sold millions of Christian to Muslims.

The word " Slave" was derived from the word "Slavs", because most Christians, sold onto slavery, were Slavs.
And what about the suffering of Pagans?

Are there still any pagans in Europe, Middle East or North Africa?

No, all pagans had to convert, and who refused to convert was killed!

There was a very effective genocide against pagans, because they were totally annihilated.

But we never hear anything about the suffering of pagans or Christians, sold into slavery by Jews, and always hear about the suffering of Jews, though the population of Ashkenazi Jews grew way faster (despite their alleged persecution) till WWII than the population of Christians in Christian countries.

Does that make any sense?

They needed one country on Earth to truly call their own in every respect.

Well, there was already a Jewish Homeland in Bolshevik Russia, the Birobidzhan region. There was and still is almost no population there, and enough land and water for all Jews in the world.

Besides that Zionists rejected other proposals, like Madagascar, which had almost no native population and enough land and water for all Jews in the world.

Palestine cannot provide water and land for all Jews in the world, even if Zionists kill or expel all native Semites from Palestine. Most Jews do not want to live in the "Jewish homeland", and that debunks the argumentation of Zionists.

Plus, they had a deep historical, ancestral and yes, Biblical connection to Israel.

To talk about "blood connection" to Palestine is just a racists ideology of Zionists.

Yes, Jews have a religious connection to Palestine, but the same is true for Muslims and Christians.

To believe that Jews have a closer racial connection to Palestine is crazy, because Judaism was a proselytizing religion in the Middle Ages.

Many Hebrews became Christians, because Christianity started as a Hebrew sect, and many pagans were forced to convert to Judaism in the Middle Ages, like many Arabs in Yemen, many Khazars in South Russia or Berbers in North Africa.

So Palestinian Christians are more likely to have a blood connection to the Hebrews than European Ashkenazim who stem from Slavs and Khazars and look more like Europeans.

It is immoral and it is an obvious crime what is going on in Palestine that cannot be justified with any excuses!

I don't know where morons like you get your "facts". Israel currently has about 1.8 million Arab Muslim citizens who have the same exact rights as the rest of the Israelis, and, who prefer to live in Israel over any Muslim / Arab shithole.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

1) Anyone who has ever been to Israel proper knows that Arabs there aren't only menial workers but are also doctors, nurses, Univerity students and Members of Knesset.

So what?
They are still second class citizens, because Zionists claimed that Israel is a "Jewish state", and that means non-Jewish citizens of Israel are de facto less valuable, than Jews.

If white Christians declared in the USA that America is a "Christian state", then Jews in the USA would also feel like second class Americans, even if some of them were university students or parliament members.

3) Jews didn't only immigrate to Israel because it was promised to them by G-d.

Who cares what the tribal god of Jews allegedly promised to them according to their religious dogmas?

Can a modern enlightened and civilised man ignore the international law because of some stone age religious dogmas?

I think that it is immoral to refer to religious dogmas to justify a crime, like land theft and ethnic cleansing.




Pagans, Christians and Muslims were also subjected (since the spread of different kinds monotheism 2000 years ago to Europe) to pogroms, blood libels, crusades, inquisitions, massacres, expulsions and the genocides, and Jews were the persecutors of Christians and pagans before the Romans decided to accept the Christian variety of Monotheism in the Roman Empire.

Jews and pagan Romans joined forces to persecute the first Christians!!!!

After Roman Rulers decided to become Christians, they started to persecute pagans who suffered more from the persecution, than Jews.

In fact, our European pagan ancestors were more persecuted as any kind of monotheists.

Jews were tolerated in any monotheistic society, be it a Christian or a Muslim society.

Jews were often a privileged class that served the monotheistic rulers.

The Christian serves suffered more in any mediaeval society in Europe, than Jews, but we are only told about the suffering of Jews.
Besides that Jews were very prominent in Slave trade, they sold millions of Christian to Muslims.

The word " Slave" was derived from the word "Slavs", because most Christians, sold onto slavery, were Slavs.
And what about the suffering of Pagans?

Are there still any pagans in Europe, Middle East or North Africa?

No, all pagans had to convert, and who refused to convert was killed!

There was a very effective genocide against pagans, because they were totally annihilated.

But we never hear anything about the suffering of pagans or Christians, sold into slavery by Jews, and always hear about the suffering of Jews, though the population of Ashkenazi Jews grew way faster (despite their alleged persecution) till WWII than the population of Christians in Christian countries.

Does that make any sense?

They needed one country on Earth to truly call their own in every respect.

Well, there was already a Jewish Homeland in Bolshevik Russia, the Birobidzhan region. There was and still is almost no population there, and enough land and water for all Jews in the world.

Besides that Zionists rejected other proposals, like Madagascar, which had almost no native population and enough land and water for all Jews in the world.

Palestine cannot provide water and land for all Jews in the world, even if Zionists kill or expel all native Semites from Palestine. Most Jews do not want to live in the "Jewish homeland", and that debunks the argumentation of Zionists.

Plus, they had a deep historical, ancestral and yes, Biblical connection to Israel.

To talk about "blood connection" to Palestine is just a racists ideology of Zionists.

Yes, Jews have a religious connection to Palestine, but the same is true for Muslims and Christians.

To believe that Jews have a closer racial connection to Palestine is crazy, because Judaism was a proselytizing religion in the Middle Ages.

Many Hebrews became Christians, because Christianity started as a Hebrew sect, and many pagans were forced to convert to Judaism in the Middle Ages, like many Arabs in Yemen, many Khazars in South Russia or Berbers in North Africa.

So Palestinian Christians are more likely to have a blood connection to the Hebrews than European Ashkenazim who stem from Slavs and Khazars and look more like Europeans.

It is immoral and it is an obvious crime what is going on in Palestine that cannot be justified with any excuses!

Do you have any links to your outrageous claims? Except for the Idumeans, Jews never forced anyone to convert to their religion. You might be talking about the Muslims there. The Khazars willingly converted to Judaism, but they are a drop in the bucket. Why are there only 14 million Jews compared to billions of Muslims and Christians in the world? Because they killed us out. The Muslims have 57 countries, with which they've accomplished very little. That's enough for them.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Obviously Art, you entirely missed my point. I said that if the Jews' claim rested ONLY on a religious document, that that wouldn't "cut it" in today's world. That's why I said that due to persecutions, Jews need one country to call their own. Plus, Jews have a deep HISTORICAL claim. Even the Quran recognizes that Israel belongs to the people of Moses. If you ever visited Israel, you would see the history of the Jews in nearly every city in Israel.

 

[fanger]

I'm not just talking theoretically here. My dad's family was wiped out in the Holocaust. My mom and her family were driven out of Russia. They applied for visas to America but couldn't get them. The only place they could go to was Israel.

So what, all my fathers family are dead too

 

[ForeverYoung436]

I'm not just talking theoretically here. My dad's family was wiped out in the Holocaust. My mom and her family were driven out of Russia. They applied for visas to America but couldn't get them. The only place they could go to was Israel.

So what, all my fathers family are dead too

Were they killed out? By whom?

 

[DGS49]

(1) Why (the ****) would anyone quote my whole posting, just tomake a one-line (inane) comment? It's right there; no need to reproduce it.

(2) the difficulties of jews in the remainder of the world is irrelevant to their obligations and actions in the Holy Land. (Just like the difficulties of the children being brought to the American border DOES NOT oblige the American taxpayers to take care of them).

(3) God doesn't grant legal rights. God is imaginary and can be made to guarantee anything that anyone wants. Isn't it "god" who is telling the crazy Muslims to blow themselves up? Is God confused?

(4) Being anti-Zionist is not the same as being anti-Semitic. Many good, observant, well-informed jews are anti-Zionist. To attack anyone who criticizes Israel as a bigot denigrates the dialog.

(5) The word, "disgraceful" does not begin to describe the conduct of the Zionists. And it's not getting better over time, it's getting worse.

(6) I see no alternative for the "Palestinians" other than violent opposition. Negotiation cannot succeed when the starting points are based on lies and distortions.

 

[fanger]

Obviously Art, you entirely missed my point. I said that if the Jews' claim rested ONLY on a religious document, that that wouldn't "cut it" in today's world. That's why I said that due to persecutions, Jews need one country to call their own. Plus, Jews have a deep HISTORICAL claim. Even the Quran recognizes that Israel belongs to the people of Moses. If you ever visited Israel, you would see the history of the Jews in nearly every city in Israel.

If you ever visited Israel, you would see the history of the Jews in nearly every city in Israel.

Is that due to the fact that all History of the former Arab towns has been "wiped off the map"

In a run-down office in the busy centre of Tel Aviv, a group of Israelis are finalising preparations for this year's independence day holiday. But their conversation – switching between Arabic and Hebrew – centres not on celebrating the historic realisation of the Zionist dream in May 1948, but on the other side of the coin: the flight, expulsion and dispossession that Palestinians call their catastrophe – the Nakba.

Maps, leaflets and posters explain the work of Zochrot – Hebrew for "Remembering". The organisation's mission is to educate Israeli Jews about a history that has been obscured by enmity, propaganda and denial for much of the last 66 years.

Next week, Zochrot, whose activists include Jews and Palestinians, will connect the bitterly contested past with the hi-tech present. Its I-Nakba phone app will allow users to locate any Arab village that was abandoned during the 1948 war on an interactive map, learn about its history (including, in many cases, the Jewish presence that replaced it),

Remembering the Nakba: Israeli group puts 1948 Palestine back on the map | World news | The Guardian

 

[fanger]

We came to this country which was already populated by Arabs, and we are establishing a Hebrew, that is a Jewish state here. In considerable areas of the country we bought lands from the Arabs. Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you, because these geography books no longer exist; not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahalal arose in the place of Mahalul, Gevat — in the place of Jibta, Sarid — in the place of Haneifs and Kefar Yehoshua — in the place of Tell Shaman. There is no one place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.

Moshe Dayan - Wikiquote

 

[Daniyel]

The 'nakba' represent the mentality of the Palestinians, they didn't care they got the bigger chunk of Israel - they called it Catastrophe that the Jews formed a state, hostile ignorants..greedy selfish and useless people that contribute nothing but violence to the Zionists, nothing changed ever since!
The sea is the same sea and the Arabs are the same Arabs..

 

[Art__Allm]

I don't know where morons like you get your "facts".

That was a personal attack, you attack the messenger, because you cannot disprove the arguments.

If he or she is a Muslim or a Christian with an Israeli citizenship, he or she cannot take his partner to Israel.

Israel currently has about 1.8 million Arab Muslim citizens who have the same exact rights as the rest of the Israelis...

No, of course they do not have the same rights, because Zionists claim that Israel is a "Jewish state", and that means that non-Jewish Israelis are not as valuable, as Jews.
Israeli government admits that it is bothered about the demographic situation in Israel, they want more Jews in Israel, and less non-Jews.

The migration laws of Israel are favouring Jews, and who is a Jew decides an Israeli Rabbi. The migration to Israel is almost 100% Jewish, any European who claims to have "Jewish roots" (he may be an Atheist) can "return" to Israel.

But the expelled native inhabitance of the region cannot return to their homes.

And if an Israeli citizens marries a non-Israeli, then it depends on who he is.

If he or she is a Muslim or a Christian with an Israeli citizenship, he or she cannot take his partner to Israel.

If he or she is a Jew, then he or she can take his partner to Israel.

Israel does not have an institution of civil marriage, and a Jew is not allowed to marry a non-Jew in Israel.

If Jews in the USA were treated like non-Jews are treated in Israel, then they would whine and call it "anti-Semitism".

BTW, there are still a lot of Jews in Iran, they are represented in Iranian parliament, and they do not feel that they are discriminated in Iran, because they prefer Iran to Israel.

...and, who prefer to live in Israel over any Muslim / Arab shithole.

Well, the native Semites of Palestine do not want to abandon their homeland, that is natural. Why should they? That is the land their ancestors lived on, though they were degraded to second class people in the Zionist entity, called Israel, that was created on their land.

But most Jews prefer to live in countries that are supposedly "anti-Semitic", like Germany.

Some Jews believe that Germany is better than Israel, and that is unnatural, isn't it?

Thousands of Israelis, among them many artists, have chosen to live in Berlin because of its relaxed atmosphere and relatively low cost of living, even if it means living in a country with a fraught history.

...

Nati Ornan, 36, an actor, writer and performer who moved here in November 2010, says, "Now there are more Israeli artists in Berlin than in Israel. I think this is like the proverbial destruction of the Third Temple - the destruction of the Jewish spirit, which was gradually decaying until the current [social and economic] revolution, which has begun to lift it.

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As we see, many Israeli artists think that Israel is becoming a "shithole" for artists, despite the massive financial support of American and German taxpayers.

 

[Art__Allm]

The 'nakba' represent the mentality of the Palestinians, they didn't care they got the bigger chunk of Israel - they called it Catastrophe that the Jews formed a state, hostile ignorants..greedy selfish and useless people that contribute nothing but violence to the Zionists, nothing changed ever since!
The sea is the same sea and the Arabs are the same Arabs..

If some self-proclaimed "heir" came to your property and proclaimed that his god had promised your property to him, and you got a bit more than 50% of your property left to you, would you be happy with such a division of your property?

 

[Art__Allm]

We came to this country which was already populated by Arabs, and we are establishing a Hebrew, that is a Jewish state here. In considerable areas of the country we bought lands from the Arabs. Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you, because these geography books no longer exist; not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahalal arose in the place of Mahalul, Gevat — in the place of Jibta, Sarid — in the place of Haneifs and Kefar Yehoshua — in the place of Tell Shaman. There is no one place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.

Moshe Dayan - Wikiquote

And here is another famous quote by a famous Zionist:

"Why should the Arabs make peace? If I were an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs".

David Ben-Gurion - Wikiquote

And besides that the international law does not recognize any promises of any gods, be they Jewish, Christian or Muslim gods.