Methane Gas being released into the Earth Atmosphere , a bigger threat than CO2 , from human Carbon gas release.?!!

[ReinyDays]

There is ice on parts of the ocean floor where the temp is below 20 degrees. And you are gaslighting. The areas that thawing is releasing methane is Russia, Canada and Alaska. Permafrost.

No. It is bound in ice and/or other structures like mud and/or in whatever other ways. When the frost goes - because the climate change takes care it will become warmer - then it could happen suddenly that titanic masses of methane are set free within a very short time. And because methane is an extremely effective free greenhouse gas itselve it would take care on its own that bound methane will be set free. The warmth not comes from the methane on its own - it comes from the sun and is not able to leave our planet because of the greenhouse gas methane. So: The energy come from outside of our planet and not because of melting and icing processes within an experiment under closed conditions in a laboratorium.



To "know" something what's wrong is in case we have to react fast much more dangerous than to know nothing. What we need is to know much more about the real facts - conditions, time, masses, energy and so on - and this facts are not in our fantasy. We need to know the exact details of such a scenario. This means research and not an ostrich policy.

These are endothermic reactions ... they must absorb energy from the environment to proceed ... and this energy remains with the methane, it can't be used again ... Chemistry 101 ...

There's no known conditions where the latent heat of fusion can be ignored ... which is what you're doing ... so unless you have a citation, we'll assume you're making this up ... methane oxidizes in the atmosphere ... why there's only 2 ppm ...

Two part per million ... you're soiling your knickers over that little? ... without a reference ... too funny ...

 

[zaangalewa]

These are endothermic reactions ...

What has nothing to do with greenhouse gases.

they must absorb energy from the environment to proceed ... and this energy remains with the methane,

The creation of methane needs energy (endotherm reaction) - the destruction of methane sets free energy (exotherm reaction). So when free methane will be destructed in the atmosphere thenthsi doisonc of metehane wil alos produce enregyx. But this has nothing to do with the enrgy which cannot be emitted form püalnet Earth becaus of greenhouse gases. Both processes are differnt and have another equlibrium.

it can't be used again ... Chemistry 101 ...

What means "Chemistry 101"?

There's no known conditions where the latent heat of fusion can be ignored ... which is what you're doing ... so unless you have a citation, we'll assume you're making this up ... methane oxidizes in the atmosphere ... why there's only 2 ppm ...

Gold for example is made in a supernova. It got a lot of energy in this way - but no one is able to set this energy free. If gold would be a greenhouse gas then this had absolutelly nothing to do with this energy.

Methane is a molecule which is able to be created and able to be destroyed . But this has also nothing to do with the function of methane to be a greenhouse gas. You compare what's not comparable.

methane oxidizes in the atmosphere ...

Exactly. That's why I said the methane which is produced from animals (from cows for example) we can currently ignore. We could change this outpout of methane - if necessary to do so - within a relativelly short time span. And always big herds of cows - or buffaloes - existed.

why there's only 2 ppm ...

Two part per million ... you're soiling your knickers over that little? ... without a reference ... too funny ...

But what would happen when within a short time suddenly much more methane will be set free into the atmosphere - this is the problem.

 

[zaangalewa]

westwall

If you gave the comment "fake news" (="You are a liar") to this what I said here on reason of the weird political ideologies of the USA then you are a criminal who tries to solve a problem of natural science with weird thoughts. Say what you like to say but let it be to defame - what seems currently to be the only political arts in the USA (="Right is who is the best slanderer").

 

[ReinyDays]

What has nothing to do with greenhouse gases.

Yes it does ... they're called the "Laws of Thermodynamics" ... and these laws are proportional to mass ... not the magic you believe in ... 2 ppm doesn't effect temperature enough to read on the thermometers we use in the field ...

In the first chemistry class students take ... there's an experiment the student performs to demonstrate what I'm talking about ... maybe when you're old enough and in high school, your parents may let you take that class ...

Still no citations ... you just make it up as you go along ... what methane's half-life in the atmosphere? ... you won't know because that fact disputed everything you post ... everything ... you don't even know what "chemistry" is ... apparently ... methane and oxygen DON'T mix, they combust ...

 

[westwall]

westwall

If you gave the comment "fake news" (="You are a liar") to this what I said here on reason of the weird political ideologies of the USA then you are a criminal who tries to solve a problem of natural science with weird thoughts. Say what you like to say but let it be to defame - what seems currently to be the only political arts in the USA (="Right is who is the best slanderer").

You are making statements that are incorrect. That's why you get the disagree.

Learn some basic science.

 

[zaangalewa]

Yes it does ... they're called the "Laws of Thermodynamics" ... and these laws are proportional to mass ...

The creation of methane needs energy - the destruction of methane sets free energy. This process has nothing to do with the function of methane to be a greenhouse gas.

Do you have a car port? A car port is only a roof over a car. This roof is like a "greenhouse gas". If you park on a relativelly mild winter evening a car under a car port then you won't see any icy windows in the morning. Reason for: The car is relativelly warm because the heat radiation was not able to go out directly into the space. This has nearly nothing to to with the material of the roof - as long as this material is is visible (=impenetrable) for infrared radiation (warmth).

In case of real greenhouse gas this is more a kind of reflection (mirror).

 

[leftwinger]

You are making statements that are incorrect. That's why you get the disagree.

Learn some basic science.

Wow, for the SIG line. I did not read the post.

 

[zaangalewa]

Yes it does ... they're called the "Laws of Thermodynamics" ... and these laws are proportional to mass ... not the magic you believe in ... 2 ppm doesn't effect temperature enough to read on the thermometers we use in the field ...

In the first chemistry class students take ... there's an experiment the student performs to demonstrate what I'm talking about ... maybe when you're old enough and in high school, your parents may let you take that class ...

I am a German. I have not any lousy idea what you learn in your schools or not learn in your schools.

Still no citations ... you just make it up as you go along ... what methane's half-life in the atmosphere?

Tell me. I heard that all methane in the atmosphere which currently exists will be gone within one year when no new methane will be produced.

... you won't know because that fact disputed everything you post ...

No.

everything ...

No.

you don't even know what "chemistry" is

Okay - you left rationality now.

... apparently ... methane and oxygen DON'T mix, they combust ...

Basic knowledge:

Our atmosphere consists of 78 % nitrogen and 21 % oxygen. The remaining one per cent consists mainly of the noble gas argon (approx. 0.9 %), as well as trace gases such as nitrogen oxides, methane and carbon dioxide.
Even if the proportion of trace gases is small, they are still of great importance for meteorology, climate and air chemistry. They include the so-called greenhouse gases, which are responsible for global warming.
This composition has remained almost constant for around 350 million years.

Source: https://praxistipps.focus.de/zusammensetzung-der-atmosphaere-einfach-erklaert_122878

Additional basic knowledge: Multi cellular life exists since about 500 million years. This life has in teh beginning created this constant atmosphere.

Additional basic knowledge: A risk assessment depends on the probability and potential catastrophic effect of a hazard.

In general: Not to know something what is able to have drastic effects on everyone and all life on planet Earth means: We need research! We have to know what's really going on. And as long as we do not know what is really going on we have nevertheless to minimize all risks.

 

[zaangalewa]

You are making statements that are incorrect. That's why you get the disagree.

What is "incorrect" from this what I said? And what would change agreement or disagreement on anything what is physics and chemistry? What is in your view to see the world wrong what I said. Tell me!

Learn some basic science.

Eh? ... When I was 20 I said about me "I forgot more than others learned during three lifes" And meanwhile I forgot much more and know nothing at all for sure any longer. But that you are an idiot I'm sure about.

By the way westwall: Is to make everyone else angry the only thing what "Trumpericans" are able to do any longer? Donald Trump is one of the worst idiots - and you like to make him a second time to a president of the USA?

 

[westwall]

What is "incorrect" from this what I said? And what would change agreement or disagreement on anything what is physics and chemistry? What is in your view to see the world wrong what I said. Tell me!



Eh? ... When I was 20 I said about me "I forgot more than others learned during three lifes" And meanwhile I forgot much more and know nothing at all for sure any longer. But that you are an idiot I'm sure about.

By the way westwall: Is to make everyone else angry the only thing what "Trumpericans" are able to do any longer? Donald Trump is one of the worst idiots - and you like to make him a second time to a president of the USA?

The Ideal Gas Laws, and the fundamental laws of thermodynamics are UNIVERSAL.

Your very own Max Planck Institute has many classes that deal with them. I suggest you take a few.

 

[westwall]

Wow, for the SIG line. I did not read the post.

One of the reasons the freak is no longer a Mod.

 

[zaangalewa]

The Ideal Gas Laws, and the fundamental laws of thermodynamics are UNIVERSAL.

Your very own Max Planck Institute has many classes that deal with them. I suggest you take a few.

Empty phrases. You know nothing about physics and chemistry, isn't it? What law of thermodynamics do you refer to on what reasons? And what for heavens sake mean "ideal gas laws" in this context in your view to the world?

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Thermodynamics:

0: If a system A is in thermal equilibrium with a system B and B is in thermal equilibrium with a system C, then A is also in thermal equilibrium with C.

1: The energy of a closed system is constant.

2:
„Es gibt keine Zustandsänderung, deren einziges Ergebnis die Übertragung von Wärme von einem Körper niederer auf einen Körper höherer Temperatur ist.“
Rudolf Clausius
‘There is no change of state whose only result is the transfer of heat from a body at a lower temperature to a body at a higher temperature.’

3:
"Es ist nicht möglich, ein System bis zum absoluten Nullpunkt abzukühlen."
Walter Nernst
‘It is not possible to cool a system down to absolute zero.’

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Ideal gas laws:

• Ideal gas particles are free, they do not exert any attractive or repulsive forces on each other. There are only elastic collisions between the wall and particles and between particles.
• Ideal gas particles themselves do not occupy any volume in their space.
• Ideal gas particles do not rotate or vibrate. Their energy is exclusively the kinetic energy of translational motion in space.

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[Woodznutz]

Another major contributor to methane gas, lifeforms (excluding plants). People, cattle, horses, pigs, cats, dogs, turtles, everything. Short of eliminating most of the lifeforms on Earth and reducing CO2 emissions to levels that allow plants to survive, I don't see much that can be done about it.

Maybe the earth will eliminate the worst life form, us.

 

[zaangalewa]

Maybe the earth will eliminate the worst life form, us.

Not as long as we are funny for cats and dogs will tell god they need us. We fight not only for us.

 

[Woodznutz]

Not as long as we are funny for cats and dogs will tell god they need us. We fight not only for us.

Where was this video taken? I don't recognize many of those birds.

 

[zaangalewa]

Where was this video taken? I don't recognize many of those birds.

Really ? Totally normal birds here. Tomtits, robins, sparrows ... Paul Dinning - Wildlife in Cornwall ... that's England as far as I heard.

 

[ReinyDays]

The creation of methane needs energy - the destruction of methane sets free energy. This process has nothing to do with the function of methane to be a greenhouse gas.

Do you have a car port? A car port is only a roof over a car. This roof is like a "greenhouse gas". If you park on a relativelly mild winter evening a car under a car port then you won't see any icy windows in the morning. Reason for: The car is relativelly warm because the heat radiation was not able to go out directly into the space. This has nearly nothing to to with the material of the roof - as long as this material is is visible (=impenetrable) for infrared radiation (warmth).

In case of real greenhouse gas this is more a kind of reflection (mirror).

You're barking up the wrong tree ... methane is in its solid state because it doesn't have enough kinetic energy for the individual molecules to move around ... if you want methane as a gas, you need to add energy ...

Methane's radiative properties in the atmosphere is trivial, too small to measure ... and it quickly decomposes into carbon dioxide and water vapor ... you don't understand "Laws of Physics" so you quickly violate them ... and here you're violating the laws that govern thermal equilibrium ...

Where's your evidence this has happened before? ...

 

[zaangalewa]

westwall

Natural science not depends on any agreements or not-agreements. I guess your form of not-agreement has more to do with aggressions, so you aggree to block research because you do not like to know what you anyway do not like to know - independent from any knwolegde, probabilities and real risks. Psychologically I would estimate you are a man who thinks he has nothing to lose.

 

[zaangalewa]

You're barking up the wrong tree ...

On cold winter nights, I howl at the full moon. But what to do in a winter night when the snow will cook? Eating fish fingers? Not a good replacement.

methane is in its solid state because it doesn't have enough kinetic energy for the individual molecules to move around ...

What has this to do with what? Free methane is [a greenhouse] gas. So the molecules of methane move around. Melting point is -182°C (=-295.6°F), Boiling point is -162°C(=-259.6°F).

if you want methane as a gas, you need to add energy ...

That's the problem: Because of a growing warmth as a result of the climate change bound methane in artic regions and under the oceans could be set free. We need to know more about how the methane is bound, which masses are bound and how this process is able to happen. A temperature of about -300°F - -250°F not exists anywhere on our planet as far as I know. So your expectation or scenario seems to be basing on wrong parameters.

Methane's radiative properties in the atmosphere is trivial,

"radiative properties" ... one moment ... got it ... no one speaks about any radiative properties of any material in this context. Methane is a greenhouse gas. A greenhouse gas is called greenhouse gas because it makes the same in the atmosphere what is made in a greenhouse from the glas. Without greenhouse gases in the atmosphere we would freeze to death. It is like a kind of mirror which sends back radiation. The own heat radiation of greenhouse gases is unimportant in this context. Sure is greenhouse gas not a gleaming hot coal or something like this.

too small to measure ... and it quickly decomposes into carbon dioxide and water vapor ...

Carbon dioxide is also a greenhouse gas and water vapor is perhaps also a greenhouse gas.

you don't understand "Laws of Physics" so you quickly violate them ...

I will never understand US-Americans and their ways not to think. Do you really think the physical reality all around us has anything to do with ways how people like to think?

and here you're violating the laws that govern thermal equilibrium ...

Which thermal equilibrium in which closed system? We are the opposite of a closed system. We are part of the closed system universe. Things which had happened billions of years ago and are far billions of lightyears send "messages" (=energy) to us.

Where's your evidence this has happened before? ...

If this scenario will really come true then it could happen that no one in any future will have any evidence for anything because no one will live any longer. So I like to know more about this phenomenon and the real background. Such a scenario needs research. It seems to me you fear death so you like to close your eyes. That's the most efficient way to die in a dangerous situation. "Keep cool" - in the truest sense of this word.

 

[westwall]

westwall

Natural science not depends on any agreements or not-agreements. I guess your form of not-agreement has more to do with aggressions, so you aggree to block research because you do not like to know what you anyway do not like to know - independent from any knwolegde, probabilities and real risks. Psychologically I would estimate you are a man who thinks he has nothing to lose.

Are you familiar with the term UNIFORMITARIANISM?