Methane Gas being released into the Earth Atmosphere , a bigger threat than CO2 , from human Carbon gas release.?!!

[52ndStreet]

I must say to you all, that Methane Gas, that is thawing, and being released into the Earths Atmosphere in Siberia, is a bigger threat , and has a larger impact to global warming, than any other element on Earth. Methane is one of the most sinister gases that can be released, that heats up the Earth faster than any amount of Carbon, if you do the scientific research.!? Methane will heat the entire Earth up a lot faster, than any amount of Carbon released by humans, over the same time period, according to scientific research. Check my info. Methane is also released from deep under the Oceans depths.

 

[Vrenn]

I must say to you all, that Methane Gas, that is thawing, and being released into the Earths Atmosphere in Siberia, is a bigger threat , and has a larger impact to global warming, than any other element on Earth. Methane is one of the most sinister gases that can be released, that heats up the Earth faster than any amount of Carbon, if you do the scientific research.!? Methane will heat the entire Earth up a lot faster, than any amount of Carbon released by humans, over the same time period, according to scientific research. Check my info. Methane is also released from deep under the Oceans depths.

And what set off the warming so that the methane fields would start thawing? How about the excess release of CO2.

 

[52ndStreet]

And what set off the warming so that the methane fields would start thawing? How about the excess release of CO2.

Yes, but according to scientific observation, the Methane gas will overtake the CO2 gas with regards to superheating up the entire Earth, and making the Earth into one of the hottest greenhouse that has ever been experienced in the Earths history, in combination with the CO2 gas.

 

[Anomalism]

Whatever. I just need another 60 years or so.

 

[Vrenn]

Yes, but according to scientific observation, the Methane gas will overtake the CO2 gas with regards to superheating up the entire Earth, and making the Earth into one of the hottest greenhouse that has ever been experienced in the Earths history, in combination with the CO2 gas.

If the methane takes over for the CO2 content, neither of us will care. Dead People don't care. Are you aware that Venus used to have a decent atmosphere and might have been ripe for life. But something happened and it went crazy where the CO2 levels went into overdrive which caused the temperature to go up, methane was released from the thaw and today, nothing can live there. Venus now has a surface temp average of 864f. Venus is in the habitable range from the Sun but it's gone completely insane. Earth will reach the point of no return someday like Venus did.

 

[Woodznutz]

I must say to you all, that Methane Gas, that is thawing, and being released into the Earths Atmosphere in Siberia, is a bigger threat , and has a larger impact to global warming, than any other element on Earth. Methane is one of the most sinister gases that can be released, that heats up the Earth faster than any amount of Carbon, if you do the scientific research.!? Methane will heat the entire Earth up a lot faster, than any amount of Carbon released by humans, over the same time period, according to scientific research. Check my info. Methane is also released from deep under the Oceans depths.

The earth is farting at us.

 

[Vrenn]

Yes, but according to scientific observation, the Methane gas will overtake the CO2 gas with regards to superheating up the entire Earth, and making the Earth into one of the hottest greenhouse that has ever been experienced in the Earths history, in combination with the CO2 gas.

And Earth becomes another Venus.

 

[1srelluc]

Years ago we had a huge methane release in the Shenandoah River caused by a 2.4 tremor. The floor of the river basicly sunk a few inches (so we were told) along a four mile strech of the deep part of the river and all that methane trapped under the sediment rose to the top, along with a lot of the sediment......Damn, talk about a stinking mess!

 

[ReinyDays]

Yes, but according to scientific observation, the Methane gas will overtake the CO2 gas ...

You keep saying this, but you haven't posted this information ... right now, the effect of methane is too small to be measured, below 0.5 W/m^2 ...

The flaw in your logic is that methane is unstable in our atmosphere ... methane combines with oxygen to form carbon dioxide and water vapor ... the half-life is roughly 15 years ... far to short to have any effect on climate ... the methane comes from venting at the wellhead and/or leaky piping, both routine ... plus natural seeps ... all of which oxidizes in our oxygen-rich atmosphere ... so little is safely ignored ...

But I'll bite .. what scientific experiment can we perform to demonstrate your claim that methane is substantially more reactive to EM radiation than, say, water vapor? ... a link is fine ...

 

[zaangalewa]

I must say to you all, that Methane Gas, that is thawing, and being released into the Earths Atmosphere in Siberia,

Siberia? Why Siberia? Cattle farming is big source for methane. On the other side existed "since ever" large herds of animals, buffalo herds for example.

is a bigger threat , and has a larger impact to global warming, than any other element on Earth. Methane is one of the most sinister gases that can be released, that heats up the Earth faster than any amount of Carbon, if you do the scientific research.!? Methane will heat the entire Earth up a lot faster, than any amount of Carbon released by humans, over the same time period, according to scientific research.

But methane is not stable in the atmosphere. Within only one year it is gone. So we should be able to solve a heating effect in global dimensions because of methane in a relativelly short time. No reason to overreact now. For example by slaughtering cows.

Check my info. Methane is also released from deep under the Oceans depths.

Now I get why you spoke about Siberia. The bound methane in the permarost soil of Siberia and the bound methane under the oceans is another kind of problem, I heard. If the global temperature will become too warm then this could cause a kind of self-reinforcing feedback (="explosion") and within a short time gigantic amounts of methane could be released which in turn would force a global heat surge that could release even more methane.

 

[ReinyDays]

If the global temperature will become too warm then this could cause a kind of self-reinforcing feedback (="explosion") and within a short time gigantic amounts of methane could be released which in turn would force a global heat surge that could release even more methane.

This is an ongoing process ... except the feedback is negative ... the more frozen methane that melts, the colder the temperatures become ... melting less methane ... fill a 70ºF icebox, as the ice melts, the box cools, melting less ice ... same principle on the ocean floor or Arctic tundra ... best modeled as equilibrium, there is no thermal runaway effect to be had ...

 

[zaangalewa]

This is an ongoing process ... except the feedback is negative ... the more frozen methane that melts, the colder the temperatures become ... melting less methane ... fill a 70ºF icebox, as the ice melts, the box cools, melting less ice ... same principle on the ocean floor or Arctic tundra ... best modeled as equilibrium, there is no thermal runaway effect to be had ...

Keeps one problem: Methane not cools but heats. It's a greenhouse gas. So the process is escalating as long as bound methane will be set free. The question is how fast this process is able to happen, which masses of methane are set free, what are the concrete temperatures in such a case and how long nature will need to stop this process and to invert this process.

 

[LuckyDuck01!]

I must say to you all, that Methane Gas, that is thawing, and being released into the Earths Atmosphere in Siberia, is a bigger threat , and has a larger impact to global warming, than any other element on Earth. Methane is one of the most sinister gases that can be released, that heats up the Earth faster than any amount of Carbon, if you do the scientific research.!? Methane will heat the entire Earth up a lot faster, than any amount of Carbon released by humans, over the same time period, according to scientific research. Check my info. Methane is also released from deep under the Oceans depths.

Another major contributor to methane gas, lifeforms (excluding plants). People, cattle, horses, pigs, cats, dogs, turtles, everything. Short of eliminating most of the lifeforms on Earth and reducing CO2 emissions to levels that allow plants to survive, I don't see much that can be done about it.

 

[ReinyDays]

Keeps one problem: Methane not cools but heats. It's a greenhouse gas. So the process is escalating as long as bound methane will be set free. The question is how fast this process is able to happen, which masses of methane are set free, what are the concrete temperatures in such a case and how long nature will need to stop this process and to invert this process.

Methane must absorb energy or heat to thaw ... and then boil ... before it becomes a greenhouse gas ... it's in this melting process that your logic breaks down, why there's no thermal runaway effect ...

Otherwise it would ... use common sense ... it was warmer during the Agricultural Revolution, where was this deadly methane then? ...

 

[zaangalewa]

Methane must absorb energy or heat to thaw ... and then boil ... before it becomes a greenhouse gas ... it's in this melting process that your logic breaks down,

No. As far as I understand this process is only an activation energy. Take a match as an example. Or an avalanche.

why there's no thermal runaway effect ...

Otherwise it would ... use common sense

I'm a German what you call "common sense" we call "sane human mind".

... it was warmer during the Agricultural Revolution, where was this deadly methane then? ...

Which agricultural revolution? ... Ah . You speak about the Neolithikum 10,000 years ago. ... One moment ... First fo all you are wrong. It was not warmer. Here a scientific reliable diagram:

green line: older reconstructions
red line: current reconstruction

In the last 100 years worldwide temperature grew about 1.1° C (or K) = 2°F.

source: Nein, diese Grafik belegt nicht, dass es in den vergangenen 9.500 Jahren fast immer wärmer war als jetzt

Second: I estimate that the deposition of methane in Siberian and under the oceans took place much earlier.

 

[ReinyDays]

No. As far as I understand this process is only an activation energy.

Your understanding is wrong ... energy must be added to frozen methane in order to melt it ... 60 joules per gram of methane ...

Enthalpy of fusion - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Vrenn]

Your understanding is wrong ... energy must be added to frozen methane in order to melt it ... 60 joules per gram of methane ...

Enthalpy of fusion - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And who died and made you a geochemical engineer. At room temperature (above freezing) Methane is a gas. And it's not totally clear. It is by the time it's made into LPG or Natural Gas because it's processed and all imperfection is removed.

 

[ReinyDays]

And who died and made you a geochemical engineer. At room temperature (above freezing) Methane is a gas. And it's not totally clear. It is by the time it's made into LPG or Natural Gas because it's processed and all imperfection is removed.

We're discussing frozen methane ... which is in it's solid state ...

Why would methane gas be trapped on the ocean floor? ...

 

[Vrenn]

We're discussing frozen methane ... which is in it's solid state ...

Why would methane gas be trapped on the ocean floor? ...

There is ice on parts of the ocean floor where the temp is below 20 degrees. And you are gaslighting. The areas that thawing is releasing methane is Russia, Canada and Alaska. Permafrost.

 

[zaangalewa]

Your understanding is wrong ... energy must be added to frozen methane in order to melt it ...

No. It is bound in ice and/or other structures like mud and/or in whatever other ways. When the frost goes - because the climate change takes care it will become warmer - then it could happen suddenly that titanic masses of methane are set free within a very short time. And because methane is an extremely effective free greenhouse gas itselve it would take care on its own that bound methane will be set free. The warmth not comes from the methane on its own - it comes from the sun and is not able to leave our planet because of the greenhouse gas methane. So: The energy come from outside of our planet and not because of melting and icing processes within an experiment under closed conditions in a laboratorium.

60 joules per gram of methane ...

Enthalpy of fusion - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

To "know" something what's wrong is in case we have to react fast much more dangerous than to know nothing. What we need is to know much more about the real facts - conditions, time, masses, energy and so on - and this facts are not in our fantasy. We need to know the exact details of such a scenario. This means research and not an ostrich policy.