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Just scare off a brown bear??!!,ya works every time at leat for the other two anyway and know one knows what a bear will do at any given time. The house is of no protection from a brown bear.
Because if the bears had actually tried to hurt his kids, they would have hurt his kids. They weren't trying to hurt anyone.
now you sound like that guy that thought they were freindly and him and his girlfriend were lunch. What ever his name was he was really ignorant about bears.
The house is of no protection from a brown bear???? What do you think they are, furry Godzillas?
Yeah, a brown bear can get into your house if it really wants to, but you'd certainly have time to shoot it if it was trying to get in and wouldn't scare off.
You're referring to Timothy Treadwell, and no, I'm nothing like him. He was so stupid as to go into bear country without a gun (like a lot of granola-crunching hikers I hear about). I would never go where bears might be without a gun. But I'm also not going to shoot them just for being present. I'm only going to shoot them if they show aggression.
Are you talking about a 250-400 pound brown, or are you talking about a 600-800 pound griz?
I am the first one to defend a person's right to protect themselves and their family against marauding wildlife. But I don't think these bears were aggressive, and could easily have been scared off.
Reminds me of a guy in my neighborhood who shot a neighbor's dog who came into his yard. Used the excuse that a two-year old was present and the dog was menacing. He's full of bull. He just wanted to shoot that dog and he knew because it was a pitbull everyone would be on his side.
Again, you can think whatever you like about these bears and your neighborhood pitbull. Unless you were there it's nothing more than idle speculation. And I for one am glad we have a justice system that ignores such idle speculation.
Well, excuse me all to hell, but I thought this was a discussion forum.
I am the first one to defend a person's right to protect themselves and their family against marauding wildlife. But I don't think these bears were aggressive, and could easily have been scared off.
Reminds me of a guy in my neighborhood who shot a neighbor's dog who came into his yard. Used the excuse that a two-year old was present and the dog was menacing. He's full of bull. He just wanted to shoot that dog and he knew because it was a pitbull everyone would be on his side.
Again, you can think whatever you like about these bears and your neighborhood pitbull. Unless you were there it's nothing more than idle speculation. And I for one am glad we have a justice system that ignores such idle speculation.
Well, excuse me all to hell, but I thought this was a discussion forum.
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Just scare off a brown bear??!!,ya works every time at leat for the other two anyway and know one knows what a bear will do at any given time. The house is of no protection from a brown bear.
Because if the bears had actually tried to hurt his kids, they would have hurt his kids. They weren't trying to hurt anyone.
now you sound like that guy that thought they were freindly and him and his girlfriend were lunch. What ever his name was he was really ignorant about bears.
The house is of no protection from a brown bear???? What do you think they are, furry Godzillas?
Yeah, a brown bear can get into your house if it really wants to, but you'd certainly have time to shoot it if it was trying to get in and wouldn't scare off.
You're referring to Timothy Treadwell, and no, I'm nothing like him. He was so stupid as to go into bear country without a gun (like a lot of granola-crunching hikers I hear about). I would never go where bears might be without a gun. But I'm also not going to shoot them just for being present. I'm only going to shoot them if they show aggression.
Are you talking about a 250-400 pound brown, or are you talking about a 600-800 pound griz?
Couple of things about this discussion need to be cleared up.
1) I think the article said they were Grizzly Bears.
2) In reference to Ravi (I think) she said that the kids were inside. I thought the article said the kids were outside playing basketball.
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Now, about scaring these bears off, my understanding is that would have been a terribly dangerous thing for him to do. What do you think he is going to do stand up and throw rocks at them? They would be as likely to attack him as they would to run away. And even if he were lucky enough to get them to run, how long before they came back and attacked the kids? Knowing that those two bears are around, I would not allow my children to play outdoors with or without adult supervision.
Immie
The house is of no protection from a brown bear???? What do you think they are, furry Godzillas?
Yeah, a brown bear can get into your house if it really wants to, but you'd certainly have time to shoot it if it was trying to get in and wouldn't scare off.
You're referring to Timothy Treadwell, and no, I'm nothing like him. He was so stupid as to go into bear country without a gun (like a lot of granola-crunching hikers I hear about). I would never go where bears might be without a gun. But I'm also not going to shoot them just for being present. I'm only going to shoot them if they show aggression.
Are you talking about a 250-400 pound brown, or are you talking about a 600-800 pound griz?
Griz are browns in the lower 48,while not the size like in Alaska ,but Griz are also considered browns.250-400 is a little brown youngster more like most blacks.
I agree just killing one of those magnificent beast for being there is wrong,we were not there and the local authorities had no problems I am ok with it, 3 bears at once would be an exciting encounter to say the least,you don't need a gun in bear country,but most locals that live in bear country I have meet have one when out.I know I have and will. You can avoid bear problems most of the time,sometimes not.
He didn't shoot all three bears, so when you think about it, he didn't save his family from future bear visits by the other two.
An example of federal government injustice:
Jeremy Hill of Idaho is facing a trial, after he shot and killed a grizzly bear that came into his yard.
Hill claims that he came into the yard where his children were playing to find three grizzly bears had entered the property. He shot one of the bears, killing it and scaring the others away.
Hill reported the incident to the state authorities, who did not express concern. But federal authorities have charged Hill with killing an endangered species.
The case has stoked passions has attracted many supporters, including Idaho's republican governor Butch Otter. If convicted, Hill could face a year in prison or a $50,000 fine.
Hill's trial is scheduled to begin on October 4th.
Jeremy Hill Bear Shooting: Man Could Face Jail Time For Killing Grizzly In His Yard (VIDEO)
Are you talking about a 250-400 pound brown, or are you talking about a 600-800 pound griz?
Griz are browns in the lower 48,while not the size like in Alaska ,but Griz are also considered browns.250-400 is a little brown youngster more like most blacks.
I agree just killing one of those magnificent beast for being there is wrong,we were not there and the local authorities had no problems I am ok with it, 3 bears at once would be an exciting encounter to say the least,you don't need a gun in bear country,but most locals that live in bear country I have meet have one when out.I know I have and will. You can avoid bear problems most of the time,sometimes not.
All griz are brown bears....but there still is a brown bear that's not a griz in the lower 48.
Couple of things about this discussion need to be cleared up.
1) I think the article said they were Grizzly Bears.
2) In reference to Ravi (I think) she said that the kids were inside. I thought the article said the kids were outside playing basketball.
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Now, about scaring these bears off, my understanding is that would have been a terribly dangerous thing for him to do. What do you think he is going to do stand up and throw rocks at them? They would be as likely to attack him as they would to run away. And even if he were lucky enough to get them to run, how long before they came back and attacked the kids? Knowing that those two bears are around, I would not allow my children to play outdoors with or without adult supervision.
Immie
Immie, by scaring them off, I meant shoot the gun, but not at them, to try and scare them. Only if they didn't react to that would you shoot them.
He didn't shoot all three bears, so when you think about it, he didn't save his family from future bear visits by the other two.
If I were him I'd think about getting a couple of Karelian bear dogs to protect the kids. Or is he going to sit out there with his gun every minute the kids are outside from now on?
I don't know, I have mixed feeling about this. I have a feeling he didn't really have to shoot that bear. I have a feeling he could have made his kids go in the house, and then hazed the bears, scaring them off.
Because if the bears had actually tried to hurt his kids, they would have hurt his kids. They weren't trying to hurt anyone. They were just being curious, sound like.
I'm really thinking he could've just scared the bears off. The other two ran away when he fired his gun. He could have just fired his gun and all three would have run.
He's living in a bad spot if he has issues with grizzly bears! I got this from another article:
Hill and his wife have six children, and their home is between two federal grizzly bear recovery zones - the Selkirk zone to the west and Cabinet-Yaak zone to the east.
Biologists estimate that 100 grizzlies inhabit the zones that include parts of Idaho, British Columbia and Montana.
Read more: Outrage as man is charged with shooting endangered grizzly bear after it threatened his children | Mail Online
Couple of things about this discussion need to be cleared up.
1) I think the article said they were Grizzly Bears.
2) In reference to Ravi (I think) she said that the kids were inside. I thought the article said the kids were outside playing basketball.
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Now, about scaring these bears off, my understanding is that would have been a terribly dangerous thing for him to do. What do you think he is going to do stand up and throw rocks at them? They would be as likely to attack him as they would to run away. And even if he were lucky enough to get them to run, how long before they came back and attacked the kids? Knowing that those two bears are around, I would not allow my children to play outdoors with or without adult supervision.
Immie
Immie, by scaring them off, I meant shoot the gun, but not at them, to try and scare them. Only if they didn't react to that would you shoot them.
He didn't shoot all three bears, so when you think about it, he didn't save his family from future bear visits by the other two.
If I were him I'd think about getting a couple of Karelian bear dogs to protect the kids. Or is he going to sit out there with his gun every minute the kids are outside from now on?
I'm not disagreeing with you at all. Just wanted to point out a couple of errors that I had seen in the thread so far and comment on the issue. I may be wrong, but I think there is a difference between "brown bears" and Grizzlies and yes, I know Grizzlies are brown.
There were other people that talked of scaring the bears off and I have to say I got the mental picture of them puffing up their chests and stretching out their arms shouting, "shoo bear, shoo".
As for protecting his family and leaving the other two bears alive, I agree he didn't fully protect his family which is why I said I would not let my kids outside supervised or not. Those bears are nothing to play with.
As for the dogs, they would at least be good warnings when the bears did return.
Immie
This is a no brainer....if the bears become familiar with the house and the scent of garbage, or food....they will come back and become a nuisance. The state authorites understand this kind of existance between people and wildlife....the feds, not so much.
I imagine the feds understand it, too. In every national park I've been in they warn you to not feed the bears/alligators.
The guy should make an effort to not make his home attractive to bears. Or move. Or kill all the bears.
Most of the time bears stay away from where people reside....every once in awhile they stray on to the property....that is when they become desensitized to humans and become a problem.
I have a lot of friends up here that live in the bush....50-100 acres that they live on. They deal with the wildlife all the time....just not a grizzly.
Couple of things about this discussion need to be cleared up.
1) I think the article said they were Grizzly Bears.
2) In reference to Ravi (I think) she said that the kids were inside. I thought the article said the kids were outside playing basketball.
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Now, about scaring these bears off, my understanding is that would have been a terribly dangerous thing for him to do. What do you think he is going to do stand up and throw rocks at them? They would be as likely to attack him as they would to run away. And even if he were lucky enough to get them to run, how long before they came back and attacked the kids? Knowing that those two bears are around, I would not allow my children to play outdoors with or without adult supervision.
Immie
I imagine the feds understand it, too. In every national park I've been in they warn you to not feed the bears/alligators.
The guy should make an effort to not make his home attractive to bears. Or move. Or kill all the bears.
Most of the time bears stay away from where people reside....every once in awhile they stray on to the property....that is when they become desensitized to humans and become a problem.
I have a lot of friends up here that live in the bush....50-100 acres that they live on. They deal with the wildlife all the time....just not a grizzly.
I understand that. Obviously, this guy is doing something wrong that they are foraging on his property looking for food.
I agree they shouldn't fine him or put him in jail. They should make him learn how to protect his family against future bears wandering into his property.An example of federal government injustice:
Jeremy Hill of Idaho is facing a trial, after he shot and killed a grizzly bear that came into his yard.
Hill claims that he came into the yard where his children were playing to find three grizzly bears had entered the property. He shot one of the bears, killing it and scaring the others away.
Hill reported the incident to the state authorities, who did not express concern. But federal authorities have charged Hill with killing an endangered species.
The case has stoked passions has attracted many supporters, including Idaho's republican governor Butch Otter. If convicted, Hill could face a year in prison or a $50,000 fine.
Hill's trial is scheduled to begin on October 4th.
Jeremy Hill Bear Shooting: Man Could Face Jail Time For Killing Grizzly In His Yard (VIDEO)
I agree - injustice. After reading the article Ravi posted also, even more convinced. And I really love animals. Not in Peta or anything, lol, but just love them.
The state was ok with it, but the feds wanna throw him in jail and fine him. Waste of fed time, waste of fed money. Drugs, trafficking, most wanted, etc; I can see feds getting involved in and we've got enough of that to choke a horse, for them to spend their time on. But this incident and him calling the authorities himself - and protecting family? Unbelievable. I'll bet he's beating himself up for even calling.
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