Malaysia Air shot down Ukraine conspiracy

[SteadyMercury]

First!

Not sure what the usual cast of tin hat retards will come up with, but thought I'd end the suspense and just start the thread for them.

Did Obama order the shoot down to fan the flames against Russia? Was it the Israelis who want a distraction so they can do whatever in Hamasoland? New World Order global elites? Freemasons? Did the descendents of Lee Harvey Oswald do it?

Come on, let's get this ball rolling!

 

[katsung47]

MH17 Verdict: Real Evidence Points to US-Kiev Cover-up of Failed “False Flag”

By 21st Century Wire
Global Research, July 25, 2014
MH17: A Doomed Flight Path

A Malaysian Airlines spokesman has already confirmed that, for some unknown reason, Kiev-based Ukrainian Air Traffic Control (ATC) ordered MH17 off of its original flight path along the international air route, known as L980.

Most likely, this order was given to pilots while MH17 was still in Polish air space. L980 is one of the most popular and most congested air routes in the world, as well as a key link between major international hubs in Europe, like London Heathrow, Amsterdam Schiphol, and Frankfurt, and Asian destinations, like Singapore, Mumbai, Hong Kong and Kuala Lumpur.

As MH17 moved into Ukrainian air space, it was moved approximately 300 miles north of its usual route - putting it on a new course, flying directly over a war zone – a dangerous area that’s hosted a number of downed military craft over the previous 3 weeks.

Robert Mark, a commercial pilot and editor of Aviation International News Safety magazine, confirmed that most Malaysia Airlines flights from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur would normally travel along a route significantly further south than the route MH17 was diverted onto. Indeed, previous days’ flight records see here confirm that MH17 from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur is always assigned routes much further south than the one it took that fateful day.

The fatal event occurred somewhere in the interval between 1728 and 17:22:30 Moscow Time. The exact time of the crash is believed to be at 5:23pm. The last available geographic coordinates can be found here on Flight Radar24:
Weather and Visibility Factor

Kiev-based air traffic controllers not only led MH17 right over its alleged ‘target zone’ in Eastern Ukraine’s Donetsk region, but also helped make it visible.

MH17 Verdict: Real Evidence Points to US-Kiev Cover-up of Failed ?False Flag? | Global Research

 

[TheOldSchool]

If you slow down the footage you can clearly see that what destroyed the airplane was a series of timed detonations from inside.

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[R.C. Christian]

None of you have a shred of legitimate evidence to make a case either way. Either it was a deliberate attempt at a false flag by Ukraine, OR the rebels shot it down in a drunken stupor. Obviously, the west has more to gain with the shoot down and will stop at nothing to allow this tragedy go to waste.

If it was a false flag then it seems to me that the presidunce would have been more prepared and made a better prepared statement immediately after it happened during his retarded fund raiser so I lean toward the Russians jacking this one up.

 

[percysunshine]

Ha....and the authorities told us it went down in the Indian Ocean.

All the time it was at a Ukranian airport.

 

[LAfrique]

MH17 Verdict: Real Evidence Points to US-Kiev Cover-up of Failed “False Flag”

By 21st Century Wire
Global Research, July 25, 2014
MH17: A Doomed Flight Path

A Malaysian Airlines spokesman has already confirmed that, for some unknown reason, Kiev-based Ukrainian Air Traffic Control (ATC) ordered MH17 off of its original flight path along the international air route, known as L980.

Most likely, this order was given to pilots while MH17 was still in Polish air space. L980 is one of the most popular and most congested air routes in the world, as well as a key link between major international hubs in Europe, like London Heathrow, Amsterdam Schiphol, and Frankfurt, and Asian destinations, like Singapore, Mumbai, Hong Kong and Kuala Lumpur.

As MH17 moved into Ukrainian air space, it was moved approximately 300 miles north of its usual route - putting it on a new course, flying directly over a war zone – a dangerous area that’s hosted a number of downed military craft over the previous 3 weeks.

Robert Mark, a commercial pilot and editor of Aviation International News Safety magazine, confirmed that most Malaysia Airlines flights from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur would normally travel along a route significantly further south than the route MH17 was diverted onto. Indeed, previous days’ flight records see here confirm that MH17 from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur is always assigned routes much further south than the one it took that fateful day.

The fatal event occurred somewhere in the interval between 1728 and 17:22:30 Moscow Time. The exact time of the crash is believed to be at 5:23pm. The last available geographic coordinates can be found here on Flight Radar24:
Weather and Visibility Factor

Kiev-based air traffic controllers not only led MH17 right over its alleged ‘target zone’ in Eastern Ukraine’s Donetsk region, but also helped make it visible.

MH17 Verdict: Real Evidence Points to US-Kiev Cover-up of Failed ?False Flag? | Global Research

People, we have a Global Crisis when some gangs, regardless, think it is a political point to shoot down passenger plane. I do not think there can be any justification for shooting down plane(s), or bomb buildings or towns or cities. And let me seize this opportunity to again state that because a people can be very different from their government, it is about time folks stop venting on people of any nation because of the acts of their government.

 

[LAfrique]

First!

Not sure what the usual cast of tin hat retards will come up with, but thought I'd end the suspense and just start the thread for them.

Did Obama order the shoot down to fan the flames against Russia? Was it the Israelis who want a distraction so they can do whatever in Hamasoland? New World Order global elites? Freemasons? Did the descendents of Lee Harvey Oswald do it?

Come on, let's get this ball rolling!

There is implied speculation by some sources that Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 (aka MH17) may have been shot down to prevent the spreading of cure for AIDS - About 100 AIDS Activists Died On Flight MH17. Here's How We Can Keep Their Work Alive

 

[SteadyMercury]

None of you have a shred of legitimate evidence to make a case either way.

Well aside from rebels having shot down several planes right leading up to it, evidence of a Buk missile launcher being moved into rebel controlled area right before it happened, and the ridiculousness of notion that Ukrainian forces fought their way into rebel held territory with one of their launchers just to take a pot shot at a plane then fighting their way back out with the evidence.

 

[katsung47]

It was shot down by Ukraine air force.

7/31/2014 at 09:43:25
First Examination of Malaysian MH-17 Cockpit Photo Shows Ukraine Government Shot that Plane Down

By Eric Zuesse

On July 30th, a German pilot headlined at anderweltonline, "Shocking Analysis of the 'Shooting Down' of Malaysian MH17," and he provided the first public analysis of the photos that were available immediately after the disaster, of the plane's cockpit, and of a wing. Google removed the photos soon after they were first available, but pilot Peter Haisenko had fortunately screen-saved them, and now shows them on that site, after having carefully analyzed and made sense of what they show. He says: "The facts speak clear and loud and are beyond the realm of speculation: The cockpit shows traces of shelling! You can see the entry and exit holes." And they're unmistakable in the accompanying photo. "This aircraft was not hit by a missile" and it was not hit "in the central portion" of the airplane. "The destruction [that explains the way the entire wreckage was spread out] is limited to the cockpit area," as he explains it: "A typical SU 25" (which is the Ukrainian plane, or pair of planes, that accompanied the Malaysian jet into the conflict-area) "is equipped with a double-barreled 30-mm gun, type GSh-302," carrying "a 250 round magazine of anti-tank incendiary shells and splinter-explosive shells (dum-dum)," which are "designed to penetrate the solid armor of a tank" and which ripped to shreds the cockpit-area on both sides of the plane. "The cockpit of the MH017 has evidently been fired at from both sides: the entry and exit holes are found on the same fragment" of the cockpit, so that there had to have been two SU 25s, and not merely one, which were escorting that plane into the rebel-held area.

Article: First Examination of Malaysian MH-17 Cockpit Photo Shows Ukraine Government Shot that Plane Down | OpEdNews

 

[Wolfstrike]

First!

Not sure what the usual cast of tin hat retards will come up with, but thought I'd end the suspense and just start the thread for them.

Did Obama order the shoot down to fan the flames against Russia? Was it the Israelis who want a distraction so they can do whatever in Hamasoland? New World Order global elites? Freemasons? Did the descendents of Lee Harvey Oswald do it?

Come on, let's get this ball rolling!

i'm fascinated!

please tell me where I can buy your book.

 

[Politico]

First!

Not sure what the usual cast of tin hat retards will come up with, but thought I'd end the suspense and just start the thread for them.

Did Obama order the shoot down to fan the flames against Russia? Was it the Israelis who want a distraction so they can do whatever in Hamasoland? New World Order global elites? Freemasons? Did the descendents of Lee Harvey Oswald do it?

Come on, let's get this ball rolling!

Get it rolling? Your theories don't come close to what I have been reading. The most recent theory is flight 17 was not flight 17. Obama needed to create a false flag to deal with the Ukraine issue that hadn't happened yet. So he ordered his people to hijack Malaysian flight 370, kill everyone on board and rebadge the plane as flight 17 so he could shoot it down and blame the Russians.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

First!

Not sure what the usual cast of tin hat retards will come up with, but thought I'd end the suspense and just start the thread for them.

Did Obama order the shoot down to fan the flames against Russia? Was it the Israelis who want a distraction so they can do whatever in Hamasoland? New World Order global elites? Freemasons? Did the descendents of Lee Harvey Oswald do it?

Come on, let's get this ball rolling!

You sound like the tin hat retard tbh.

 

[katsung47]

Analysis from Malaysia newspaper. That's why there is a silence in Western media, compare to the noise they made at original hours when MH17 was shot down.

MH17: Pockmarks look like from very, very heavy machine gun fire, says first OSCE monitor on-scene

By Haris Hussain - 7 August 2014

The holes in the wreckage of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 are believed to have come from 30mm cannon fire.

KUALA LUMPUR: INTELLIGENCE analysts in the United States had already concluded that Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down by an air-to-air missile, and that the Ukrainian government had had something to do with it.

This corroborates an emerging theory postulated by local investigators that the Boeing 777-200 was crippled by an air-to-air missile and finished off with cannon fire from a fighter that had been shadowing it as it plummeted to earth.

http://www.nst.com.my/node/20961

 

[Camp]

Those holes look awfully small to have come from a 30mm cannon.

 

[katsung47]

848. The crashes of MH17 and MH370 serve for one purpose (8/8/2014)

US has locked two strategy enemies – Russia and China. Both are the threats to the dollar.

The tactic to deal with these two enemies is to weaken them by war.
China has conflicts with its neighbor countries. It has territory problem with Japan in East China Sea and with Vietnam and Philippine in South China Sea. China blames US standing at the side of these three countries. Malaysia has territory problem with China in South China Sea too but it keeps friendship with China. To push Malaysia to join the anti-China front in Asia, MH370 case was created. The mysterious disappearance of the passengers would create a long lasting demanding for the victims from China side because most victims were Chinese citizens. (That is why MH370 case was produced as a mysterious disappearance not an evident crash) Anyhow, China and Malaysia might have realized the plot and haven’t made it a crisis.

The Ukraine crisis started in February when a civil turmoil happened which caused the stepping down of pro-Russia President Yanukovych. The result is there is an upheaval in East Ukraine. Since Russia and Europe both have interest in Ukraine, a war between the two is easy to be ignited. The shooting down of MH17 was created as an ignition. MH17 was well selected – like MH370 – for its passengers. Most of victims in MH17 were Dutch. Holland is a major country of EU and NATO. If Holland is infuriated, the possibility of a covert war between EU and Russia in Ukraine is greatly increased.

I think US is the mastermind of the incidents of MH17 and MH370. The purpose is to push Russia and China into wars with their neighbor countries to weaken them.
See my analysis on MH370: from #822 to #835.
See my analysis on MH17: from #844 to #847.

 

[katsung47]

Dutch Intellectuals Apologize to Putin for Lies on MH17, Syria, Ukraine...
Wednesday, 27 August 2014
A letter sent by a prominent Dutch Professor to Russian president Vladimir Putin has attracted much media attention in Europe. The letter was written by Professor Cees Hamelink and signed by dozens of Dutch intellectuals and professors. Below is the letter in its entirety.

Dear Mr. President Putin,

Please accept our apologies on behalf of a great many people here in the Netherlands for our Government and our Media. The facts concerning MH17 are twisted to defame you and your country.

We are powerless onlookers, as we witness how the Western Nations, led by the United States, accuse Russia of crimes they commit themselves more than anybody else. We reject the double standards that are used for Russia and the West. In our societies, sufficient evidence is required for a conviction. The way you and your Nation are convicted for 'crimes' without evidence, is ruthless and despicable.
http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/25981/53/

 

[katsung47]

851. Why Malaysia airlines was selected as target (8/23/2014)
In #848, I said Malaysia was targeted because it keeps a friendship with China while China is a covert enemy of the US. In #845, I talked about German had sensed that E.U. was provoked by the US for a covert war with Russia. German is unwilling to follow the US instruction. It expelled the CIA Chief from the German as a protest.
Then a Chinese forum offered an information how Malaysia and German were hurt by heavy insurance loss in the two incidents. The insurance company of Malaysia Airline is a Germany.
1. MH370

German insurance company Allianz says it has made initial payments in connection with the missing Malaysian Airlines plane.
Allianz’s global head of communication Hugo Kidston confirmed Wednesday that the Munich-based insurer and “other co-reinsurers of Malaysia Airlines aviation hull and liability policy have made initial payments.”
http://www.worthytoshare.net/insurance-payments-made-malaysian-airlines-disappearance#

2.. MH17

Malaysia Airlines Girds for New Insurance Battle
By Enda Curran Updated July 18, 2014
German insurer Allianz Global Corporate & Specialty is the lead reinsurer of the Malaysia Airlines plane for its so-calleded hull and liability policy, according to a report from insurance broker Aon PLC, which valued the plane itself at $97.3 million.
http://online.wsj.com/articles/malaysia-airlines-girds-for-new-insurance-battle-1405673357

The comment said, “German was shot even it was laying on the ground”.