LWIR FAILS to Warm the Atmosphere by Empirical Experiment.

[SSDD]

If the CO2 loses most of it's energy by colliding with O2 or N2, that means the air must heat up. Right? You better tell Billy that.

No one ever said that air couldn't warm via conduction...It is IR that can't warm the air. And no matter how you spin and interpret, you simply can't make a radiative greenhouse effect out of conduction.

 

[SSDD]

I was referring to surface absorption, there is no downward LWIR. So the sun is our heater and only the sun.

there is no downward LWIR.

It's funny, even when you say it.

What is funny is that you believe it exists even though it can't be measured unless you cool the instrument down to a temperature lower than that of the atmosphere...

What's funny is you think the atmosphere can sense the temperature of the instrument when the instrument can't radiate (because it's colder).

2nd law! That’s all

The 2nd Law allows the atmosphere to sense the temperature of an instrument to tell whether it is cooled or not?

That's funny!

Interesting how you think everything must be intelligent in order to obey the laws of physics...now that is funny.

 

[SSDD]

If any component of the air absorbs any IR, it does warm.

You are operating under the impression that absorption and emission equals warming...it doesn't...ask an engineer in the infrared heating industry....a million plus hours of development, experiment, observation and installation is a pretty big data base of information demonstrating that IR does not warm the air.

Of course, those coils get HOT!

The air between you and the coils is not heating via IR....it may warm a bit due to conduction, but IR can not, and does not warm the air.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

there is no downward LWIR.

It's funny, even when you say it.

What is funny is that you believe it exists even though it can't be measured unless you cool the instrument down to a temperature lower than that of the atmosphere...

What's funny is you think the atmosphere can sense the temperature of the instrument when the instrument can't radiate (because it's colder).

2nd law! That’s all

The 2nd Law allows the atmosphere to sense the temperature of an instrument to tell whether it is cooled or not?

That's funny!

Interesting how you think everything must be intelligent in order to obey the laws of physics...now that is funny.

Interesting how you think violations of causality are allowed.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

If any component of the air absorbs any IR, it does warm.

You are operating under the impression that absorption and emission equals warming...it doesn't...ask an engineer in the infrared heating industry....a million plus hours of development, experiment, observation and installation is a pretty big data base of information demonstrating that IR does not warm the air.

Of course, those coils get HOT!

The air between you and the coils is not heating via IR....it may warm a bit due to conduction, but IR can not, and does not warm the air.

You are operating under the impression that absorption and emission equals warming

Absorption equals warming.
Emission equals cooling.

The air between you and the coils is not heating via IR....

Of course not, because the emission spectra of the coil does not overlap the absorption spectra of the air.

 

[SSDD]

What is funny is that you believe it exists even though it can't be measured unless you cool the instrument down to a temperature lower than that of the atmosphere...

What's funny is you think the atmosphere can sense the temperature of the instrument when the instrument can't radiate (because it's colder).

2nd law! That’s all

The 2nd Law allows the atmosphere to sense the temperature of an instrument to tell whether it is cooled or not?

That's funny!

Interesting how you think everything must be intelligent in order to obey the laws of physics...now that is funny.

Interesting how you think violations of causality are allowed.

I don't...you, on the other hand do...you thoroughly believe that it is possible for energy to flow spontaneously from a cool object to a warm object...

 

[SSDD]

Absorption equals warming.
Emission equals cooling.

well, that won't be the first thing you have believed that isn't true.

Of course not, because the emission spectra of the coil does not overlap the absorption spectra of the air.

IR heating generally has an emission spectrum between .05 and 19 microns....that covers most all of the so called greenhouse gasses except for the full spectrum of water vapor and we all know that IR can warm water vapor because it doesn't necessarily emit all that it absorbs unlike the rest of the so called greenhouse gasses.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What's funny is you think the atmosphere can sense the temperature of the instrument when the instrument can't radiate (because it's colder).

2nd law! That’s all

The 2nd Law allows the atmosphere to sense the temperature of an instrument to tell whether it is cooled or not?

That's funny!

Interesting how you think everything must be intelligent in order to obey the laws of physics...now that is funny.

Interesting how you think violations of causality are allowed.

I don't...you, on the other hand do...you thoroughly believe that it is possible for energy to flow spontaneously from a cool object to a warm object...

I don't...you, on the other hand do..

You feel that IR won't go from air, toward a warmer instrument, but will toward a colder instrument.
The air doesn't "know" the instrument is cooler, because you claim, falsely, that the cooler instrument cannot emit toward warmer air.

Without this exchange of information, how can the air "know" when it is "allowed" to emit toward the cooled detector?

You feel the same applies to emitters and absorbers billions of light years apart. Simply ridiculous.

you thoroughly believe that it is possible for energy to flow spontaneously from a cool object to a warm object..

Still awaiting your explanation for "cool photons" from the Sun being allowed to hit the hotter corona.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Absorption equals warming.
Emission equals cooling.

well, that won't be the first thing you have believed that isn't true.

Of course not, because the emission spectra of the coil does not overlap the absorption spectra of the air.

IR heating generally has an emission spectrum between .05 and 19 microns....that covers most all of the so called greenhouse gasses except for the full spectrum of water vapor and we all know that IR can warm water vapor because it doesn't necessarily emit all that it absorbs unlike the rest of the so called greenhouse gasses.

well, that won't be the first thing you have believed that isn't true.

Cool story, explain my error.

IR heating generally has an emission spectrum between .05 and 19 microns

Link?

 

[SSDD]

IR heating generally has an emission spectrum between .05 and 19 microns

Link?

Look it up yourself...if you had read a bit in the first place, you wouldn't be so ignorant on the topic now...

I will give you a clue...the IR heating industry is particularly interested in IR wavelengths that effect water.....can you even begin to guess why?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

IR heating generally has an emission spectrum between .05 and 19 microns

Link?

Look it up yourself...if you had read a bit in the first place, you wouldn't be so ignorant on the topic now...

Millions of hours of observations and you don't have any backup for your claim? Funny.

 

[SSDD]

IR heating generally has an emission spectrum between .05 and 19 microns

Link?

Look it up yourself...if you had read a bit in the first place, you wouldn't be so ignorant on the topic now...

Millions of hours of observations and you don't have any backup for your claim? Funny.

To stupid and lazy to look it up yourself?...now that's funny.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

IR heating generally has an emission spectrum between .05 and 19 microns

Link?

Look it up yourself...if you had read a bit in the first place, you wouldn't be so ignorant on the topic now...

Millions of hours of observations and you don't have any backup for your claim? Funny.

To stupid and lazy to look it up yourself?...now that's funny.

Preferred wavelengths for comfort heating

Lamps at 500-2700C don't emit at the same wavelengths as the Earth at 15C.
I wonder why they aren't absorbed the same by the atmosphere?

 

[SSDD]

IR heating generally has an emission spectrum between .05 and 19 microns

Link?

Look it up yourself...if you had read a bit in the first place, you wouldn't be so ignorant on the topic now...

Millions of hours of observations and you don't have any backup for your claim? Funny.

To stupid and lazy to look it up yourself?...now that's funny.

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Preferred wavelengths for comfort heating

Lamps at 500-2700C don't emit at the same wavelengths as the Earth at 15C.
I wonder why they aren't absorbed the same by the atmosphere?

You are looking up lamps? You think if you drop thousands on an IR heating system for your home, they are going to give you a box of lamps? You think you are a French fry or a mcdonalds apple pie?

 

[jc456]

2nd law! That’s all

The 2nd Law allows the atmosphere to sense the temperature of an instrument to tell whether it is cooled or not?

That's funny!

Interesting how you think everything must be intelligent in order to obey the laws of physics...now that is funny.

Interesting how you think violations of causality are allowed.

I don't...you, on the other hand do...you thoroughly believe that it is possible for energy to flow spontaneously from a cool object to a warm object...

I don't...you, on the other hand do..

You feel that IR won't go from air, toward a warmer instrument, but will toward a colder instrument.
The air doesn't "know" the instrument is cooler, because you claim, falsely, that the cooler instrument cannot emit toward warmer air.

Without this exchange of information, how can the air "know" when it is "allowed" to emit toward the cooled detector?

You feel the same applies to emitters and absorbers billions of light years apart. Simply ridiculous.

you thoroughly believe that it is possible for energy to flow spontaneously from a cool object to a warm object..

Still awaiting your explanation for "cool photons" from the Sun being allowed to hit the hotter corona.

Why do they cool the instruments then?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

IR heating generally has an emission spectrum between .05 and 19 microns

Link?

Look it up yourself...if you had read a bit in the first place, you wouldn't be so ignorant on the topic now...

Millions of hours of observations and you don't have any backup for your claim? Funny.

To stupid and lazy to look it up yourself?...now that's funny.

View attachment 237763


Preferred wavelengths for comfort heating

Lamps at 500-2700C don't emit at the same wavelengths as the Earth at 15C.
I wonder why they aren't absorbed the same by the atmosphere?

You are looking up lamps? You think if you drop thousands on an IR heating system for your home, they are going to give you a box of lamps? You think you are a French fry or a mcdonalds apple pie?

Still waiting for your proof of your claim.

 

[Wuwei]

If the CO2 loses most of it's energy by colliding with O2 or N2, that means the air must heat up. Right? You better tell Billy that.

No one ever said that air couldn't warm via conduction...It is IR that can't warm the air. And no matter how you spin and interpret, you simply can't make a radiative greenhouse effect out of conduction.

In post 257 you said,

the time between molecular collisions is so much shorter than the time it takes a molecule to absorb radiation and then emit it that most molecules capable of absorbing IR lose it to oxygen or nitrogen molecules via collision before they have time to radiate it on to space.​

You directly say most green house molecules loose their absorbed IR energy to O2 or N2 via collision. The gain of energy by O2 and N2. is called thermal energy because it is random. So the atmosphere is warmed by CO2 which gains energy by IR. Therefore the premise of this thread is wrong according to you.

 

[SSDD]

If the CO2 loses most of it's energy by colliding with O2 or N2, that means the air must heat up. Right? You better tell Billy that.

No one ever said that air couldn't warm via conduction...It is IR that can't warm the air. And no matter how you spin and interpret, you simply can't make a radiative greenhouse effect out of conduction.

In post 257 you said,

the time between molecular collisions is so much shorter than the time it takes a molecule to absorb radiation and then emit it that most molecules capable of absorbing IR lose it to oxygen or nitrogen molecules via collision before they have time to radiate it on to space.​

You directly say most green house molecules loose their absorbed IR energy to O2 or N2 via collision. The gain of energy by O2 and N2. is called thermal energy because it is random. So the atmosphere is warmed by CO2 which gains energy by IR. Therefore the premise of this thread is wrong according to you.

It doesn't matter what form the energy was when it was absorbed...when it is lost via collision, it is not IR...Twist and gyrate all you like...but it is conduction that moves the vast bulk of energy through the atmosphere...and it is via water vapor...not CO2...CO2 is barely a trace gas and is completely overwhelmed by water vapor.

 

[Crick]

CO2 absorbs frequencies that are not absorbed by water. It is not an either or situation Shit for Brains.

 

[jc456]

CO2 absorbs frequencies that are not absorbed by water. It is not an either or situation Shit for Brains.

Does it warm? If you say yes, point to the hot spot