Looking More and More Like 1920's Germany

[Diuretic]

I don't get his point (MacShane's). He is arguing that poor economic conditions lead to attacks against Jews outside Israel. But then he's also arguing that Jews outside Israel are being attacked because of Israel's actions in Gaza.

Which is it?

 

[Munin]

Do you have any evidence that proves a correlation you are suggesting or should we just take your word for it?

I speak dutch and I know a lot about Europe because I aim a European, I know that people yelling Hamas in Europe are never non-muslims.

This is one of the demonstrations in holland, where a dutch MP (socialist) and the 99% of the demonstrators are muslims because they feel more connected with Gaza and are therefor more motivated to protest on the streets. Native Europeans also disapproved the actions of the Israelis but they also all see Hamas as criminals (that(Hamas) is why the vast majority of Europeans are reluctant to support the palestinians, because they feel they would be siding with Hamas if they would protest), that is why the politician in the video of the netherlands below was "attacked" (figuratively) by his political opponents, his party and in the press. He was asked to resign by the opposition, because he protested with people who were yelling "Hamas hamas jews on the gas" (in dutch: Hamas, Hamas Joden aan het gas)

the Netherlands:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLlHPPO25nM]YouTube - 090103 pro hamas intifada hezbollah expressions during anti israel demonstration[/ame]

Germany:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MYtuR5yssQ&feature=related]YouTube - Demonstration gegen Israel in Bremen am 03.01.2009[/ame]

London:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qinvlROaWbg]YouTube - Protest in London against Gaza offensive - 10 January 2009[/ame]

Mostly the protests are also organized by muslim organizations, you can check that on the websites of these muslim organizations.

I m not saying that there were 0 European natives there, but 99% of them were muslims. The protests themselves are all requested by muslim organizations in Europe. You will see some socialist politicians marching in there because they feel that they have to show solidarity in order to win votes.

You can check this by looking into the European muslim organization websites or the local government website where the protest was announced with the organization that organized it.

Europeans are disgusted by words like "Hamas, hamas jews on the gas", because their are still a lot of survivors of the holocaust who still live in Europe (Both victims and perpetrators).

 

[Shogun]

youtube videos? Do you REALLY want to set that as some kind of standard for evidence? REALLY? Now, just think about that for half a fucking second before you post something that will come back to bite you in the goat ass.


Hell, if the answer to my question was "no, Shogun, I sure don't have anything that even remotely resembles evidence" then just say so.

 

[Annie]

Why don't you remind us how you have nothing against muslims first, rapture boy.

Yet that wasn't the topic. What is the percentage of Jews in Europe? Palestinians? Rates of crime? Rates of being a victim of hate crime? Crimes against mosques? Crimes against synagogs?

It's a direct rebuttal to a guy whose accusations do not trump his own posted hatred. Trying to deflect with some laughable "crime against mosques" pile of shit is no less than retarded. Hell, you think no mosques were damaged post-9/11? What the fuck do you think that says about American attitudes toward equality in the US despite racism? Not so quick to don THAT mantle, are you?

It's not post 9/11. It's 2009 and not even bothering with anecdotal says volumes. You got nothing Sho. BTW, bd rep for you anyway, I meant to yesterday, but ran out.

 

[mightypeon]

Well, in Berlin we had some "ethnic German" demonstrations against Israel which tried hard to be temporally and spatially different from the "ethnic Turkish" ones.
Most German Socialists have a lot of issues with, especially radical, islamic fundamentalism (the same issues they have with christian fundamentalism, however there arent a lot of christian fundamentalists in Europe). That Israel overstepped its boundaries in Gaza may easily be the only thing that the European left and Hamas sympathisers agree upon.

Actually they also agree on higher gouverment handouts.

 

[Munin]

youtube videos? Do you REALLY want to set that as some kind of standard for evidence? REALLY? Now, just think about that for half a fucking second before you post something that will come back to bite you in the goat ass.


Hell, if the answer to my question was "no, Shogun, I sure don't have anything that even remotely resembles evidence" then just say so.

I also live in Europe and these are youtube videos that are very similar to what is represented with the official TV news that was reported in Europe. Secondly, I also know people who were near these manifestations because they needed to pass through there (they live there).

You are also avoiding the discussion by claiming that the youtube videos are manipulated, what proof have you given that this is not true? If you really think they are manipulated, then give me something from a good reliable source to prove that my statements are wrong. Don't just say: "you have a bad source". I have eyes and ears, I also know what I see when I walk through such a protest myself.

You should ask someone else who lives in Europe, he will most probably also tell you that the majority of the anti-Gaza protesters were muslims.

 

[Anguille]

You should ask someone else who lives in Europe, he will most probably also tell you that the majority of the anti-Gaza protesters were muslims.

So if they don't all have blond hair, blue eyes and wear orange on Konningendag they must be Muslim?

 

[Munin]

You should ask someone else who lives in Europe, he will most probably also tell you that the majority of the anti-Gaza protesters were muslims.

So if they don't all have blond hair, blue eyes and wear orange on Konningendag they must be Muslim?

No.

If they yell "allah akbar", "hamas, hamas jews on the gas", wave palestinian flags, ... it is most likely that these people are (moderate/radical) muslims. There are also white muslims who are marching there, so don't turn this into something racial. It is just true that muslims feel even more emotionally involved when fellow muslims are killed (because they feel connected with the palestinian casualties). If it is a muslim organization that mainly organizes the event then it is very likely that the majority will be muslims as it was back then (during the protests).

The reaction of most native Europeans was less in intensity, they also feel said about the casualties in Gaza. Socialists are using the solidarity as part of their ideology, they also feel that way about people in muslim countries that are oppressed by muslims. They are a party that is very very sensitive to human pain of other civilians, for example they also favor people like the dalai lama very much. All other parties show much more restraint because they know that this is a war and that the situation in Gaza is more complex then just Israel killing people: Israel is protecting its own people, Hamas is the reason why Israel has to act and they kill palestinian civilians by accident (that is the perception in Europe: they don't forget this is war, that war never has a pretty face and the europeans want peace in Gaza for both parties: unfortunately they both don't seem to want it (or at least one side doesn't want it) ). Also you are taking sides if you only support the casualties in Gaza, that is why every neutral politician will say that they regret the casualties of both sides (Israel and Gaza).


These muslim representative(s) in the UK here say that muslims actually care more about other muslim countries being attacked because they feel more connected with them:
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5grcgR0ddLs&feature=related[/ame]

 

[Zebra]

Since not all Jews are Semitic, Jew hater is a better word.
Maybe anti-Semitic sounds more powerful to some, they want to make it sound like a racial/ethnic versus a culteral/religious prejudice? As if doing that will give it more palatable. Who knows? I just prefer it when people are honest and direct.

true!