Let's see if we can clear up the matter of whether Biden violated a court order issued by the SC's conservatives.

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I see the assertion about Joe quite a lot since trump has routinely done so. It's really not so complicated to figure out the answer.

No, Biden didn’t defy the Supreme Court on student loans​

As I’ve written before, if you read the law, it’s fairly clear that the statute’s intent was to benefit members of the military (the law’s titular ā€œheroesā€), but regardless, the Biden administration argued that the text was broad enough to allow a much wider cancellation (with Covid-19 as the relevant ā€œnational emergencyā€).

To make a long story short, the Supreme Court did not agree, ruling 6-3 in June 2023 that the Biden administration’s cancellation went beyond the allowable ā€œwaiving and modifyingā€ and instead constituted an ā€œexhaustive rewriting of the statute.ā€

After the ruling, the Biden administration did not carry forward with the program, but did try to relieve student loan debt in several other ways.

  • One such effort — aimed at expanding existing loan forgiveness programs for specific groups (such as people who went into public service or people who attended fraudulent schools) — succeeded in cancelling debt for 5 million borrowers.
  • Two other attempts — one a new income-driven repayment plan and the other a program to offer relief to a targeted group of borrowers — were blocked by the courts.
Why weren’t these efforts a defiance of the Supreme Court’s 2023 ruling?

Because the Supreme Court did not rule in Biden v. Nebraska (the case that struck down the initial, most expansive plan) that the Biden administration could not cancel student loan debt. Rather, it ruled that the Biden administration could not cancel student loan debt in that specific way, under the authority of the HEROES Act. The two plans that also ended up being overturned relied on an entirely different law as justification, the Higher Education Act of 1965.

So, whether you agree his efforts to reduce student debt were legal or agree with the SC ruling blocking the plan his subsequent program was not a violation of the original court order. Meaning, trump fan's false "Biden did it too" assertion is, unsurprisingly, inaccurate.

Here is what a violation of a court order looks like.

Trump Administration Violated Order on U.C.L.A. Grant Terminations, Judge Says​

A federal judge in California ordered the National Science Foundation to reinstate millions of dollars in grants awarded to the University of California, Los Angeles, finding that the agency had tried to circumvent a ruling in June requiring restoration of the funds.

In a pointed order on Tuesday evening, Judge Rita F. Lin wrote that the Trump administration had misleadingly framed its latest attempt to cancel the grants as suspensions.

ā€œN.S.F. claims that it could simply turn around the day after the preliminary injunctionā€ and freeze ā€œfunding on every grant that had been ordered reinstated, so long as that action was labeled as a ā€˜suspension’ rather than a ā€˜termination,ā€™ā€ she wrote. ā€œThis is not a reasonable interpretation.ā€


An appeal seems likely since the Roberts court is essentially part of the admin.
 
How many american citizens were killed on the highways by this crime? Charge these DMV workers with murder.

aug 13 2025 Melissa Moorman worked at Louisville’s Nia Center Licensing Branch through Quantum Solutions, a staffing agency contracted by the state to help staff regional offices for 2 years and 3 months before she was fired. Moorman was fired after interviewing with an investigator following her brave testimony about co-workers allegedly secretly selling licenses to illegal aliens for $200 each. The brave whistleblower said the driver’s license scam was taking place between 4-5 times per day for at least two years. According to Moorman, the licenses for illegal aliens scam took place in multiple Kentucky licensing branches.

Moorman stepped forward and blew the whistle on fellow employees after she was approached by two of them who asked her to join their fraudulent scheme, which puts driver’s licenses in the hands of ā€œundocumented workersā€ without having to take the required tests to obtain a legal license.

 
I see the assertion about Joe quite a lot since trump has routinely done so. It's really not so complicated to figure out the answer.

No, Biden didn’t defy the Supreme Court on student loans​

As I’ve written before, if you read the law, it’s fairly clear that the statute’s intent was to benefit members of the military (the law’s titular ā€œheroesā€), but regardless, the Biden administration argued that the text was broad enough to allow a much wider cancellation (with Covid-19 as the relevant ā€œnational emergencyā€).

To make a long story short, the Supreme Court did not agree, ruling 6-3 in June 2023 that the Biden administration’s cancellation went beyond the allowable ā€œwaiving and modifyingā€ and instead constituted an ā€œexhaustive rewriting of the statute.ā€

After the ruling, the Biden administration did not carry forward with the program, but did try to relieve student loan debt in several other ways.


  • One such effort — aimed at expanding existing loan forgiveness programs for specific groups (such as people who went into public service or people who attended fraudulent schools) — succeeded in cancelling debt for 5 million borrowers.
  • Two other attempts — one a new income-driven repayment plan and the other a program to offer relief to a targeted group of borrowers — were blocked by the courts.
Why weren’t these efforts a defiance of the Supreme Court’s 2023 ruling?

Because the Supreme Court did not rule in Biden v. Nebraska (the case that struck down the initial, most expansive plan) that the Biden administration could not cancel student loan debt.
Rather, it ruled that the Biden administration could not cancel student loan debt in that specific way, under the authority of the HEROES Act. The two plans that also ended up being overturned relied on an entirely different law as justification, the Higher Education Act of 1965.


So, whether you agree his efforts to reduce student debt were legal or agree with the SC ruling blocking the plan his subsequent program was not a violation of the original court order. Meaning, trump fan's false "Biden did it too" assertion is, unsurprisingly, inaccurate.

Here is what a violation of a court order looks like.

Trump Administration Violated Order on U.C.L.A. Grant Terminations, Judge Says​

A federal judge in California ordered the National Science Foundation to reinstate millions of dollars in grants awarded to the University of California, Los Angeles, finding that the agency had tried to circumvent a ruling in June requiring restoration of the funds.

In a pointed order on Tuesday evening, Judge Rita F. Lin wrote that the Trump administration had misleadingly framed its latest attempt to cancel the grants as suspensions.

ā€œN.S.F. claims that it could simply turn around the day after the preliminary injunctionā€ and freeze ā€œfunding on every grant that had been ordered reinstated, so long as that action was labeled as a ā€˜suspension’ rather than a ā€˜termination,ā€™ā€ she wrote. ā€œThis is not a reasonable interpretation.ā€


An appeal seems likely since the Roberts court is essentially part of the admin.
This is old, take a loan, pay the loan, don't like thew predatory lending procedures, don't take a loan. Get a degree in something that won' pay back your loans, don't take a loan. Tax payers should never be responsible for your debt, we subsidize enough freeloaders.
 
How many american citizens were killed on the highways by this crime? Charge these DMV workers with murder.



They'll probably claim the governor told them to do it.

I think there's something in the water, because everyone in KY has lost their collective minds.
 
Those DMV employees are mostly GOP.

Send them all, including the Dems with them, to jail.
 
How many american citizens were killed on the highways by this crime? Charge these DMV workers with murder.



Is Kentucky a Motor Voter State? I think they all are.

So if they got Drivers Licenses, they got registered to vot at the same time.

Anybody else smell a dimocrap rat here?
 
This is old, take a loan, pay the loan, don't like thew predatory lending procedures, don't take a loan. Get a degree in something that won' pay back your loans, don't take a loan. Tax payers should never be responsible for your debt, we subsidize enough freeloaders.
Why are you injecting an opinion on the merits of taking out a student loan into a thread about whether Biden violated the SC's order blocking his first plan to relieve some student debt?
 

No, Biden didn’t defy the Supreme Court on student loans​


I hate to be a spelling nazi but that is a double negative.

Oh yeah...I don't give a Fk what Sleepy Joe did.

It would really have to be something really bad to get me really worked up.

This stuff has been going on since 1776 why try and end it now ?
 
Why are you injecting an opinion on the merits of taking out a student loan into a thread about whether Biden violated the SC's order blocking his first plan to relieve some student debt?
Because we are talking about people who took out loans and don't want to pay them back
 
Why are you injecting an opinion on the merits of taking out a student loan into a thread about whether Biden violated the SC's order blocking his first plan to relieve some student debt?
Because the facts of the matter don’t fit the narrative they want to project
 
Because the facts of the matter don’t fit the narrative they want to project
No because the entire issue is about him forgiving debt, that should not be foisted on the American taxpayer moron!
 
I see the assertion about Joe quite a lot since trump has routinely done so. It's really not so complicated to figure out the answer.

No, Biden didn’t defy the Supreme Court on student loans​

As I’ve written before, if you read the law, it’s fairly clear that the statute’s intent was to benefit members of the military (the law’s titular ā€œheroesā€), but regardless, the Biden administration argued that the text was broad enough to allow a much wider cancellation (with Covid-19 as the relevant ā€œnational emergencyā€).

To make a long story short, the Supreme Court did not agree, ruling 6-3 in June 2023 that the Biden administration’s cancellation went beyond the allowable ā€œwaiving and modifyingā€ and instead constituted an ā€œexhaustive rewriting of the statute.ā€

After the ruling, the Biden administration did not carry forward with the program, but did try to relieve student loan debt in several other ways.


  • One such effort — aimed at expanding existing loan forgiveness programs for specific groups (such as people who went into public service or people who attended fraudulent schools) — succeeded in cancelling debt for 5 million borrowers.
  • Two other attempts — one a new income-driven repayment plan and the other a program to offer relief to a targeted group of borrowers — were blocked by the courts.
Why weren’t these efforts a defiance of the Supreme Court’s 2023 ruling?

Because the Supreme Court did not rule in Biden v. Nebraska (the case that struck down the initial, most expansive plan) that the Biden administration could not cancel student loan debt.
Rather, it ruled that the Biden administration could not cancel student loan debt in that specific way, under the authority of the HEROES Act. The two plans that also ended up being overturned relied on an entirely different law as justification, the Higher Education Act of 1965.


So, whether you agree his efforts to reduce student debt were legal or agree with the SC ruling blocking the plan his subsequent program was not a violation of the original court order. Meaning, trump fan's false "Biden did it too" assertion is, unsurprisingly, inaccurate.

Here is what a violation of a court order looks like.

Trump Administration Violated Order on U.C.L.A. Grant Terminations, Judge Says​

A federal judge in California ordered the National Science Foundation to reinstate millions of dollars in grants awarded to the University of California, Los Angeles, finding that the agency had tried to circumvent a ruling in June requiring restoration of the funds.

In a pointed order on Tuesday evening, Judge Rita F. Lin wrote that the Trump administration had misleadingly framed its latest attempt to cancel the grants as suspensions.

ā€œN.S.F. claims that it could simply turn around the day after the preliminary injunctionā€ and freeze ā€œfunding on every grant that had been ordered reinstated, so long as that action was labeled as a ā€˜suspension’ rather than a ā€˜termination,ā€™ā€ she wrote. ā€œThis is not a reasonable interpretation.ā€


An appeal seems likely since the Roberts court is essentially part of the admin.
Guess you can't remember back that far but your own side forced Biden to walk the gangplank and then shoved him overboard.
 
No because the entire issue is about him forgiving debt, that should not be foisted on the American taxpayer moron!
The subject of this thread is whether, as many trumples have asserted, Biden violated the SC's ruling on student debt forgiveness. He didn't. None of you folks have proven otherwise.
 
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Who cares.

Biden is yesterday's news.

Thank God.

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