Let's Hear From the Slaves

[IM2]

We hear opinions. But these are the words from slaves. Africans did not do this and talking about what's happening in other countries does not change AMERICAN history. This discussion is about the testimonies of these slave. Anything else is off topic and can be reported.

 

[LuckyDuck]

Of course, that slavery existed all over the world doesn't diminish that it existed here. It was a more primitive time, with more primitive thinking. Applying "presentism," the belief that back then, they should have known better, is absurd. The important thing is to respect and work with each other and ensure that it doesn't happen again.
On a separate note, you stated that Haiti was the first country to end slavery, rather than the European/American governments. I took a look at that and found that it wasn't the government of Haiti that ended slavery, but rather the slaves themselves, in open rebellion. A good thing that doesn't get enough credit. But when it comes to official governments ending slavery, it was the European and American governments that ended it.
Islamic nations were the last governments to end slavery, with Mauritania ending it "on paper" in 1982. They also castrated the male slaves. There still is slavery today in Africa, which we don't hear much about.
What really sucked about after slavery was the continued mistreatment by the Dixie Democrats. Even today, there are whites in Georgia that call the loss of the Civil War, "The Great Disappointment. I believe they would still want slaves. A**holes.

 

[IM2]

Of course, that slavery existed all over the world doesn't diminish that it existed here. It was a more primitive time, with more primitive thinking. Applying "presentism," the belief that back then, they should have known better, is absurd. The important thing is to respect and work with each other and ensure that it doesn't happen again.
On a separate note, you stated that Haiti was the first country to end slavery, rather than the European/American governments. I took a look at that and found that it wasn't the government of Haiti that ended slavery, but rather the slaves themselves, in open rebellion. A good thing that doesn't get enough credit. But when it comes to official governments ending slavery, it was the European and American governments that ended it.
Islamic nations were the last governments to end slavery, with Mauritania ending it "on paper" in 1982. They also castrated the male slaves. There still is slavery today in Africa, which we don't hear much about.
What really sucked about after slavery was the continued mistreatment by the Dixie Democrats. Even today, there are whites in Georgia that call the loss of the Civil War, "The Great Disappointment. I believe they would still want slaves. A**holes.

Haiti was the first to end slavery. Period. That slavery exists in Africa where we don't live, doesn't stop the reality of the slavery and continuing whites racism of today here. The topic is American slavery. Last, todays Republican party supports the memory of the confederacy, so lets stop talking about democrats.

 

[IM2]

“During the fifty-three years from the prohibition of the African slave trade by federal law in 1808 to the debacle of the Confederate States of America in 1861, the Southern economy depended on the functioning of a slave-breeding industry, of which Virginia was the number-one supplier.”

Ned & Constance Sublette, The American Slave Coast: A History of the Slave-Breeding Industry, Chicago, Lawrence Hill Books, 2016

If America had continued to import slaves, it would have diluted the market, thereby driving down the price of slaves. Slave sellers could not have this. So instead of the truth, we are told that “our nearer to God than thee” founders, in all their benevolent glory, looked towards a future whereby slavery would be no more. According to some, the so-called founders had a dream whereby little black boys and little black girls would no longer be enslaved because of the color of their skin. This is the story we are supposed to believe. However, reality does not show that.

“In fact, most American slaves were not kidnapped on another continent. Though over 12.7 million Africans were forced onto ships to the Western hemisphere, estimates only have 400,000-500,000 landing in present-day America. How then to account for the four million black slaves who were tilling fields in 1860? “The South,” the Sublettes write, “did not only produce tobacco, rice, sugar, and cotton as commodities for sale; it produced people.” Slavers called slave-breeding “natural increase,” but there was nothing natural about producing slaves; it took scientific management. Thomas Jefferson bragged to George Washington that the birth of black children was increasing Virginia’s capital stock by four percent annually.”

Ned & Constance Sublette, The American Slave Coast: A History of the Slave-Breeding Industry, Chicago, Lawrence Hill Books, 2016

“According to database-backed estimates by David Eltis and David Richardson, only about 389,000 kidnapped Africans were disembarked in the ports of the present-day United States, the majority of them before independence.” “By 1860, those few hundred thousand Africans had given way to four million African Americans.”

Ned & Constance Sublette, The American Slave Coast: A History of the Slave -Breeding Industry

According to this information , 389,000 slaves landed on the shores of what is now America. By 1860, there were four million slaves living here. The importation of slaves was made illegal in 1808. So from 1808 until 1860, the number of slaves increased by at least one thousand percent. If we allow for the Africans selling each other, Africans would be responsible for approximately 389 thousand slaves. What about the 3.1-4 million additional slaves? Africans did not create them.

The white controlled slave breeding "industry" IN AMERICA created 10 times more blacks than the number that came from Africans who "sold other Africans".

 

[WinterBorn]

Of course, that slavery existed all over the world doesn't diminish that it existed here. It was a more primitive time, with more primitive thinking. Applying "presentism," the belief that back then, they should have known better, is absurd. The important thing is to respect and work with each other and ensure that it doesn't happen again.
On a separate note, you stated that Haiti was the first country to end slavery, rather than the European/American governments. I took a look at that and found that it wasn't the government of Haiti that ended slavery, but rather the slaves themselves, in open rebellion. A good thing that doesn't get enough credit. But when it comes to official governments ending slavery, it was the European and American governments that ended it.
Islamic nations were the last governments to end slavery, with Mauritania ending it "on paper" in 1982. They also castrated the male slaves. There still is slavery today in Africa, which we don't hear much about.
What really sucked about after slavery was the continued mistreatment by the Dixie Democrats. Even today, there are whites in Georgia that call the loss of the Civil War, "The Great Disappointment. I believe they would still want slaves. A**holes.

I have known several backwoods southerners that think they would have slaves if the South had won. These are just poor white trash who need someone to look down on, even if they have to invent them. These twits would never have owned slaves. In fact, they would have lost work to slaves.

 

[IM2]

I have known several backwoods southerners that think they would have slaves if the South had won. These are just poor white trash who need someone to look down on, even if they have to invent them. These twits would never have owned slaves. In fact, they would have lost work to slaves.

Slaves were rented also. But these guys could have been overseers or members of slave patrols.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Slaves could overseers and rid on slave patrols.

 

[IM2]

Slaves could overseers and rid on slave patrols.

Nice try John, but black overseers were rare and so were blacks riding on slave patrols. The biggest slave rebellion in America was organized by a black overseer.

 

[marvin martian]

We hear opinions. But these are the words from slaves. Africans did not do this and talking about what's happening in other countries does not change AMERICAN history. This discussion is about the testimonies of these slave. Anything else is off topic and can be reported.

Why do you belong to the party that did this? Why do you support a man who said "poor kids are just as bright as white kids"? They HATE you.

 

[toobfreak]

Let's Hear From the Slaves​

What's on yer mind, today? Lettr rip. I'm all ears for a laugh.

 

[fncceo]

Slaves were rented also

It's always a good idea to test drive a major purchase to make sure you're getting you money's worth.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

IM2 has seems to think it unimportant to the discussion that blacks were overseers and did ride on slave patrols.

And, yes, "The biggest slave rebellion in America was organized by a black overseer."

 

[RetiredGySgt]

there would have been no black slaves in America if black nations in Africa and Arab nations in Africa had not sold them to white slavers.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

... and if white enslavers had not bought the enslaved.

All are at grievous fault and in peril of their souls.

 

[AlexanderPK]

IM2 has seems to think it unimportant to the discussion that blacks were overseers and did ride on slave patrols.

And, yes, "The biggest slave rebellion in America was organized by a black overseer."

How can Zelensky uphold the Nazis when he's a Jew?

 

[Meathead]

... and if white enslavers had not bought the enslaved.

You cannot "enslave" people when they are already enslaved. That's just stupid.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

You cannot "enslave" people when they are already enslaved. That's just stupid.

You are well-named.

Enslaving is a continuing process from owner to owner.

Whites cannot escape being enslavers if they own enslaved humans.

 

[LuckyDuck]

Haiti was the first to end slavery. Period. That slavery exists in Africa where we don't live, doesn't stop the reality of the slavery and continuing whites racism of today here. The topic is American slavery. Last, todays Republican party supports the memory of the confederacy, so lets stop talking about democrats.

B.S. on the Republican Party supporting the confederacy. It never did and never will.
You keep blathering on about whites being racist, racism extends to all races. I've been to Japan and seen signs in business that reflect, "No Blacks" and others that say, "No Whites," and others that say "No Americans." I just went to businesses that take anybody's money. Go to India and you will see racism against blacks, whites and Chinese.
If you can't move past the idiots out there and stop crying victimhood, you need counseling, or you're a troll.

 

[LuckyDuck]

I have known several backwoods southerners that think they would have slaves if the South had won. These are just poor white trash who need someone to look down on, even if they have to invent them. These twits would never have owned slaves. In fact, they would have lost work to slaves.

I wonder how many of those fools that would like to re-institute slavery, would be so inclined if the government made a law that mandated, anyone with an IQ of 120 or less, "regardless of race", would be placed on a slave market.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Would MAGA make a good slave class? They are docile and believe anything. But are they docile enough? Probably so. They would turn on each other in a heart beat, and would make good overseers and adjunct to slave patrols.