Legally preventing Trump from running is unconstitutional and is net detrimental to our nation.

[sealybobo]

So Trump didn’t have Classified Documents?

Hey, if Republicans want him to be their nominee, fine. We prefer to run against the Orange Felon.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Wrong.
Trump got not a single hand recount of paper ballots, as required by law.

All the states did was partial audits using machines.

That simply isn't true. There were multiple recounts and audits done by hand...jeez.

2020 Election Recounts and Audits - 2020Election.org

Last updated August 2022 Quick Facts: As of the 2020 election, 27 states and DC had provisions for an automatic recount for thin election margins and 43 states allowed requested recounts under certain circumstances. As of the 2020 election, routine post-election audits were required by law in 34...

the2020election.org

 

[BluesLegend]

Legally preventing Trump from running is unconstitutional and is net detrimental to our nation.​

Do you think the oppressive Dem regime gives a shit? They already ignore the Constitution, our laws, the SCOTUS, do end runs around the people's reps in Congress.

 

[Edgetho]

That simply isn't true. There were multiple recounts and audits done by hand...jeez.
Here's one example.

Pennsylvania county completes hand recount of 2020 presidential votes

This is an extraordinary step no other county in the state has taken.

www.votebeat.org

dimocrap scum stole the election in the easiest most up-front, in-your-face manner possible.

What the dimocrap scum States did (if you recall) was to send out Ballots to EVERYBODY on their Voter rolls. Dead, Alive, Moved, Changed names due to marriage, divorce, imprisoned, in the Army, Nursing Home -- Whatever. Every name they had. Even ones that had registered in 1934.

They sent them out. Ballots-Galore. Everywhere.

Republicans that got a Ballot for a dead person or an otherwise ineligible voter, shit-canned it.

But dimocrap SCUM got their Ground Game going...... And people, dimocrap scum DO have a good "Ground Game".

They sent them into dimocrap scum areas to 'Ballot Harvest'. But ONLY to dimocrap scum areas of the State.

And sure enough, dimocrap scum kept every ballot that was sent to them. The Ballot Harvesters said, "Let me have those ballots. I'll dispose of them properly"

They did.

Didn't happen in Republican Controlled States. But were dimocrap scum had partial control or enough clout to get it done, they sent them all out to anybody and everybody that was, or had been registered to vote. Dead or alive.

It was their ground game that stole the election. And the Union Ballot counters.

Anybody that believes Joey Sponge Brains Shits Pants got 16 MILLION, SIXTEEN MILLION MORE VOTES than obama is a fucking idiot. Or a scumbag of the dimocrap variety.

Now...... Can we stop it this time? I don't know. They're gonna cheat. They're dimocraps, the lowest form of life on Earth so, you know they're gonna cheat again.

How do we stop them from stealing another election??

Because, next time those 100,000 rioters in DC won't be unarmed.

And we'll have a REAL problem, then

 

[SavannahMann]

Because, next time those 100,000 rioters in DC won't be unarmed.

And we'll have a REAL problem, then

You really haven’t thought that out.

 

[Rigby5]

This is not snowflake. We are a talking about a free and sovereign nation compared to one where we are forcibly blended into a world government. At least we must try to stop the move to a world entity that the leadership we are unsure of.

I disagree.
The reason we need a world government is so that we can have order on higher levels of jurisdiction.
For example, ships have to agree to pass on the right, armies have to agree not to use civilian starvation tactics, countries do not get to invade weaker countries, slave labor can not be allowed to under cut, etc.

 

[Rigby5]

That's what the courts do, that's what due process is all about.

If losing your voting rights for a felony is part of the punishment known beforehand, there are zero constitutional issues with it.

I disagree because part of your due process right is to allow for a judge to take mitigating circumstances into account, for what YOU actually did and what YOUR actual intent was.
If you allow legislation to made punishments, you no longer have a judicial system at all, but a draconian dictatorship.

 

[Rigby5]

Wrong what? The courts WILL decide if he stays on the ballot...because..that's what courts are there to do. Make decisions like that. Kinda how the system works.

Wrong.
Saying the courts get to decide is like saying we should still be a British colony.
These charges against Trump are inherently wrong for a dozen or more reasons.
Like there was no crime, no one was harmed, they were years ago, the prosecution is malicious, it is obvious election interference, the volume is clear "piling on", real charges would have been deferred, the executive immunity makes them void, etc.
Even the Jean Carroll case clearly is illegal and deliberate bias, since it is obvious she offered to model lingerie naked.
The 2 impeachments are also proof of excessive action since one prevented the investigation of Shokin being illegally fired and the other prevented investigation of voter fraud that is still rampant.
In fact, Hillary should still be investigated over the lies and violations by the Steele Dossier.

 

[Rigby5]

Former President Donald Trump in a statement Sunday said he wanted then-Vice President Mike Pence to overturn the 2020 presidential election, repeating the false claim that Pence had the power to do so and slamming recent bipartisan efforts to reform the Electoral Count Act.

Trump falsely claimed that a bipartisan group of lawmakers working to reform the Electoral Count Act proves his claim that Pence had the power, according to the ECA, to overturn the 2020 election. Though the Act is vague, it is clear the role of the vice president is ceremonial and does not include the power to overturn the result of a presidential election.

“Actually, what they are saying, is that Mike Pence did have the right to change the outcome, and they now want to take that right away. Unfortunately, he didn’t exercise that power, he could have overturned the Election!” Trump wrote.

Trump says he wanted Pence to overturn the 2020 election and falsely claims it was vice president's 'right'

Former President Donald Trump in a statement Sunday said he wanted then-Vice President Mike Pence to overturn the 2020 presidential election, repeating the false claim that Pence had the power to do so and slamming recent bipartisan efforts to reform the Electoral Count Act.

www.cnn.com

Demanding that Pence throw out enough votes on Jan 6th to swing the election to Trump was a rebellion against the Constitutional order, making it unconstitutional for him to ever hold public office again without the consent of 2/3rds of Congress.

That is a lie.
Trump never said that Pence could do anything at all except to not certify the vote results.
That does not and cannot prevent Trump's term from expiring.
Nor did Trump ever hint there was any way he could stay in office.
No one ever said Pence could "change" the outcome.
All he could do is prevent vote certification.
Which is a good thing to have available.

 

[Rigby5]

And those counts are for the justice system to work out. Because that's how it works. Trump has the right to trial, and the right to appeal if the judgement does not go his way. You should be celebrating that. It shows that no one is above the law. It will not affect him running for President. I suspect rather the opposite is true. I believe Trump's polling numbers will go down after Haley bows out because then voters will finally see that it will be a choice between checking the box for Biden..or for Trump.

Wrong.
The normal process is one count at a time.
It is illegal to dredge up 91 ancient and ridiculous counts, just to keep a person busy and broke.
That is a total abuse of any legal principle.

 

[Rigby5]

That simply isn't true. There were multiple recounts and audits done by hand...jeez.

2020 Election Recounts and Audits - 2020Election.org

Last updated August 2022 Quick Facts: As of the 2020 election, 27 states and DC had provisions for an automatic recount for thin election margins and 43 states allowed requested recounts under certain circumstances. As of the 2020 election, routine post-election audits were required by law in 34...

the2020election.org

Wrong.
There was not a single state that did a full recount by hand.
Nor has anyone ever investigated the voting computers for back doors or hacking.
Nor has anyone investigated the bundles of ballots stuffed into drop boxes without any ID check.
Nor have any absentee ballots had any signature comparisons made.

Your link said, "In an election recount, the votes are counted again to confirm the initial results. A recount is a type of audit.[1] Votes can be recounted by hand or run through the tabulation machines again."
Running fake ballots through the machines a second time is not a real recount.
The signatures needed to be verified, checks for duplicated needed to be made, etc.
And an "audit" can just be small samples to see if the machine is working as anticipated.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Wrong.
The normal process is one count at a time.
It is illegal to dredge up 91 ancient and ridiculous counts, just to keep a person busy and broke.
That is a total abuse of any legal principle.

FPOTUS#45's classified documents charges are not "ancient" or "ridiculous" and ALL stem from his actions after leaving office so they are recent and Presidential Immunity does not apply.

WW

 

[WorldWatcher]

Wrong.
Trump got not a single hand recount of paper ballots, as required by law.

All the states did was partial audits using machines.

Show us a state law that requires a "hand recount" by law and then lets see if (a) Trump requested a recount, and (b) if it was a hand recount required by law as you claim.

Which state law are you referring to?

WW

Wrong.
There was not a single state that did a full recount by hand.

Still waiting for the state (or states) that require that recounts be performed by hand as required by law?

WW

 

[Rigby5]

You really haven’t thought that out.

Foolish video since most of the NRA types are ex or current military.
And in fact, our current military are mostly 18 year olds who are pathetic and don't even know which end of a rifle to hold.
The only people our military has ever fought was unarmed civilians, and we still lose.
Like in Vietnam, Afghanistan, etc.
It is only our air force that prevails, because the civilians we attack do not have an air force at all.

 

[Rigby5]

FPOTUS#45's classified documents charges are not "ancient" or "ridiculous" and ALL stem from his actions after leaving office so they are recent and Presidential Immunity does not apply.

WW

Wrong.
Trump left office in 2020, and the charges did not come up until 3 years later, which is "ancient".
And obviously Presidential immunity does apply since when president, Trump had the complete authority over classified docs and could give permanent copies to whomever he wanted, including himself.

 

[Rigby5]

Still waiting for the state (or states) that require that recounts be performed by hand as required by law?

WW

Wrong all states are required by law to do a full hand recount.
Nothing else is an actual count at all, but merely a repetition of whatever fraud was originally done.
There is no legal basis for using machines at all in any way, since there can NEVER be a means of verifying them.
Is Dominion going to make their internal operating system code public?
Of course not, so then it is illegal to use Dominion voting computers.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Wrong.
Trump left office in 2020, and the charges did not come up until 3 years later, which is "ancient".
And obviously Presidential immunity does apply since when president, Trump had the complete authority over classified docs and could give permanent copies to whomever he wanted, including himself.

As an ex-President he didn’t have presidential immunity nor could he share documents with others.

All the charges stem from after he left office and was a civilian again.

WW

 

[WorldWatcher]

Wrong all states are required by law to do a full hand recount.

Post the law.

Should be simple.

WW

 

[Dragonlady]

You use the constant propaganda against Republicans and those who run for office to destroy them. You listen to the TV Prog talk show hosts as gospel. We are a long way from Johnny Carson. A dangerous way. We now know the war mongers. You used to e against wars. As soon as Republican voters changed you Progs became war mongers. The hate for Nixon, Ford, Reagan, George Senior, W, and Trump was incredible.

No fool. Republicans use lies and propaganda to smear Democrats.

Democrats have a platform, and they have a legislative record, and they’re running on the success of the Biden administration.

The Democrats’ platform reinforces the rights and freedoms that the American people have been voting for since Donald Trump was elected President: healthcare, inflation, sensible gun control, women’s reproductive rights, voting rights.

Decent honest people will not run under the Republican banner, so long as Donald Trump controls the party. Trump has lost every election. He’s been a part of since the 2016 presidential campaign.

You cannot run a campaign on promises of a dictatorship, political protections and martial law.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Wrong.
There was not a single state that did a full recount by hand.
Nor has anyone ever investigated the voting computers for back doors or hacking.
Nor has anyone investigated the bundles of ballots stuffed into drop boxes without any ID check.
Nor have any absentee ballots had any signature comparisons made.

Your link said, "In an election recount, the votes are counted again to confirm the initial results. A recount is a type of audit.[1] Votes can be recounted by hand or run through the tabulation machines again."
Running fake ballots through the machines a second time is not a real recount.
The signatures needed to be verified, checks for duplicated needed to be made, etc.
And an "audit" can just be small samples to see if the machine is working as anticipated.

Wrong. All states have their own mail in voting and ID laws that require signature matching. All of them.
Tabulating machines have been used for decades. Without incident or complaint.
What you are positing here are the same list of debunked conspiracy theories that I've seen posted for years.
The 2020 election has been decided...for a long time.

Move on.